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  1. And yet, Mr. Wordsworth and I giggled when I questioned the table, "Am I wrong?" I wish we'd seen more of the Jubilee, too. Troubled Marriage Sexytime is not our thing, but Margaret has been established as a major player in this show and you have to give HBC enough material to make her worth her paycheck.
  2. This. Mr. Wordsworth and I giggled through this. It helped that Elizabeth was really angry at Heath and, for once, really let it show in a way she hasn't since dressing down Churchill. The dry wit of Princess Anne just killed us this time around. The actress is a good fit for her.
  3. I think he was trying to reinvent himself for the modern generation. His generation valued duty; the new one valued love. His generation fought a war; the new generation protested against it. In this new generation, a king who abdicated in order to marry the woman he loved and tried to negotiate in order to stop a war might be seen as progressive in contrast to the stodgy Royals in Buckingham Palace. It rather reminds me of how some prominent German Nazis, like Albert Speer, promoted themselves as having been fooled by Hitler or having grown disenchanted toward the end of the war. I don't know how successful the Duke was at that rebranding, but that would seem to be his tactic for the interview and in this close relationship with a great-nephew that he barely knew. Did Charles and David write that many letters back and forth? As for his past indiscretions, I'm sure Charles was told about them, but...again...different generation. No Nazis to fight in 1970. The existential war England fought in the 40s had nothing to do with him or his fellow young adults so carrying on his grandparents' and parents' grudges may not have appealed to him. David was his mother's favorite uncle, after all, despite everything that had happened. I doubt everything he heard was bitter. And there were aspects to David that did not involve Nazis so I'm sure that any discussion between Charles and his great-uncle probably skipped that topic. Though Derek Jacobi is a marvelous actor, I was disappointed that they replaced Alex Jennings who seemed to embody the role. Jacobi doesn't have the Windsor look that Jennings does. I think the episode would have been more powerful had Jennings been back for David's swan song.
  4. I wish Tommy had been more gentle with Margaret when explaining that she and Elizabeth couldn't switch. This episode was pretty good. I'd watch Clancy Brown play Stalin, so it didn't really bother me that he was LBJ. His portrayal was pretty tame, too, compared to the real Johnson. I was distracted by the White House myself...it just didn't look right.
  5. In that case, he may well have stayed in Germany then and fought for the Reich. While it is true that we don't know and that Philip has had Open Mouth, Insert Foot incidents in the past, I think the word Nazi is thrown around far too easily these days without any real understanding of what a Nazi actually was.
  6. To the person who chose to marry the Nazi, yes. But my point is that Prince Philip has been labeled for decades as having Nazi sympathies based upon who his sisters chose to marry and where his father chose to send him to school, decisions that were made while he was a child and had no control over. Would you want someone making snide remarks about you as a human being based upon who your adult siblings chose to marry while you were a child? Prince Philip, despite his flaws, has shown no indication that he has/had Nazi sympathies, yet has had to dodge accusations of such for decades based on who his sisters chose to marry and on where his father sent him to school. My point is that children do not choose where their schools are located or who their siblings decide to marry. Neither did Prince Philip. The snide comments in the pilot were about his worthiness to marry Elizabeth based on his family history.
  7. Mr. Wordsworth puts this episode as his #1 on a list of "The Crown" favorites...not because he liked it, but because it gave him such a visceral emotional reaction. I could tell it upset him. He had to watch a couple of episodes of something funny just to improve his mood. I think Philip got this idea that many fathers get, "Football made me the man I am today" or "The Army made me the man I am today" and decided that what was good for him was good for his son, without noticing that Charles wasn't him. If Andrew and Edward did better at the school, it's because they were themselves and not Charles. One thing I did want to point out since it's been brought up more than once: why would kids at a boarding school pick on a prince, especially one that is a future king? Catrine Clay's marvelous book, "King, Kaiser, Tsar" addresses that issue when relating the experiences of young George V and his older brother, Prince Eddy, when they were at sea as lads. The boys were given little in the way of privilege over their lower-class shipmates. The other boys took advantage of them, sneaking off ship to buy sweets and letting George & Eddy hold the bag when it came to paying for them. They assumed that the princes had lots of money, not knowing that Edward VII and Alexandra didn't want their kids to be spoiled and so gave the princes only small amounts of pocket money. Clay explains that the lower-class boys, far from seeing what the future might hold were they to become close friends of the future monarch, realized that they would never be allowed to bully a prince as adults so made sure to get in as much as they could with George and Eddy while they had the chance. Likely, anyone who picked on Charles felt the same way, "I'm not going to be able to pick on the heir to the throne forever, right?" I would also state my agreement to those who refuse to pass judgment on Philip because of the decisions of his relatives. Few of us choose where we are sent to school or who our siblings marry, especially when these decisions are made when we are children. Philip did not choose to attend school in Nazi Germany nor did he choose who his sisters decided to marry. Those who want to attach the stain of Nazism on him because of the decisions of relatives made when he was a child are, in my opinion, unfairly making him guilty by association. I bristled in the pilot when there were snide remarks made about his Nazi sisters. All of us have relatives with different political beliefs than we have; would we want someone else to judge us by the opinions of a family member? I also agree with statements made on this thread about Philip perhaps blaming himself for his sister's death though it was not really his fault. I didn't get the idea, though, that he was impatient with his sister's fear of flying...it seemed more to me that he was trying to calm her by gently reminding her that it was just air. Far different was his admonition to Charles on the later flight. I could have interpreted that incorrectly, though.
  8. I recently finished all three seasons of "The Crown". Mr. Wordsworth and I enjoyed it and he knows virtually nothing about the monarchy or English history. This episode is in his top ten and is probably my #1 favorite episode. David and Wallis really were delightfully evil in the first two seasons. Mr. Wordsworth referred to them as the British Team Rocket (from Pokemon) with their snark and pretentiousness. When we saw the dog party at the beginning of the episode, we were so excited to have them featured again. Unfortunately, I knew what the Marburg files were and he did not so he had a surprise coming. It certainly skewed his opinion of the Windsors after that. I agree wholeheartedly that the final panels of actual photos did a lot to drive home that this wasn't just drama created for the show. However, it's important to note that, in the 1930's, German treatment of the Jews was, by and large, discriminatory, not homicidal. There were instances, such as Kristallnacht, that the German government portrayed as spontaneous mob violence, that were later determined to have been organized, but, for the most part, violence against Jews was largely blamed on fringe elements. The British (and, for that matter, the American) government didn't agree with it, but it was considered an internal German problem, not an international responsibility. Jews in both countries protested; the German ambassador to the US tried to pressure Roosevelt into silencing the protesters and FDR explained that we don't do that here in America. The German government retaliated by taking its anger out on the Jews still remaining in Germany. Concentration camps in Germany in the 1930s were bad, but they were prison camps, not death camps. Political prisoners and actual criminals were the bulk of inmates in the 1930s. People could, and did, die in them, but not en masse and there was no policy of systematic extermination of the Jews at that time. The German government's policy during this period was to get the Jews to leave the country. Jews that were arrested and detained in a concentration camp were often released after several months and encouraged to emigrate...after the German government fleeced them of everything of value. During a global depression, few countries were willing to accept large numbers of people who didn't speak the language, didn't have a job lined up, didn't know anyone and didn't have any money. The "Final Solution" didn't start happening until after the war began. So, if David visited a concentration camp in 1937, he would have probably seen political prisoners and criminals exercising, working, getting mail, etc. He would not have seen starving women and children and absolutely would not have seen gas chambers or crematoria. There's no doubt in my mind that he certainly was shown a sanitized version of a standard camp. David was probably bigoted against the Jews - a lot of people were in those days - but there's a huge difference between believing in the bigoted generalization that Jews hold a disproportionate position in the business world and wanting them all from cradle to grave to be murdered. By the time it was known in the international community that the Jews were being murdered, the war was on and it was felt that the best way to help the Jews was to win the war. Prior to the war, those who felt that Hitler could be negotiated with were numerous in the government and in the public at large. No one wanted another devastating war...except Hitler. That was the problem. They thought Hitler didn't want war. They thought by negotiating with him they could avoid it. David wasn't alone in this belief nor was he alone in thinking that the Nazis, with all their faults, would be a bulwark in central Europe against the violent athetistic revolutionaries in the Soviet Union. Appeasement is a legitimate negotiating tool - it just didn't work with Hitler. As for the portrayal of Billy Graham, I thought his character was spot on and loved the conversations between him and the Queen. His simple Christianity appealed to her over the ritualistic Church of England with its learned, yet rigid, heirarchy. The Queen Mother's comments about him having been a brush salesman reflected the attitude that such a man could have had no meaningful theological education and, thus, didn't have any real spiritual authority. The final scene of David stuck in this pedantic life of parties and playing cards with Wallis' friends, looking at himself in the mirror certainly reflected a far different person than we have seen depicted thus far. I agree with JJJ's earlier comment that a prequel series with Jared Harris and Alex Jennings would be great. I'd love to see "The Crown" reinvented several times going back through the monarchy and setting the stage for this series as the decades go by. Wishful thinking, I'm sure.
  9. We binge-watched a bunch of first episodes last weekend. Mr. Wordsworth wanted to see the rest of this show because he was so upset about what happened to Marie. Unfortunately, there are men who kill, cheat, steal and lie. If women are the equal of men, it means that women are also capable of killing, cheating, stealing and lying. And women can and sometimes do lie about sexual assault. In this fictionalized version of the story, a vulnerable victim with virtually no support system behind her happens to get detectives that are willing to ignore binding marks on her wrists in order to get this case off the docket and medical professionals that aren't that helpful in treating her. I wanted to know why none of her counselors or even one of her foster mothers showed up for subsequent meetings with the police. It is very easy for a troubled teen to be dismissed, especially when a mother figure questions her credibility.
  10. Thank you, yes. This random couple who we've never seen before and not seen since are the godparents over sisters, cousins, grandparents, etc.
  11. Just rewatched "Christening" again. Can I share my loathing of this episode? * When, besides their wedding, have Jim and Pam ever indicated that they attend church on a regular basis or that religion constitutes an important part of either of their lives? Pam reveals she's a Presbyterian in "Grief Counseling", but we've not been given any other indicator on her part that it's anything besides the religion her parents and grandparents practice. To this end, what do they think the point of Christening CeCe is? * If they don't want their co-workers attending their personal or family events, they need to leave that information at home. They should already be aware that Michael will abuse his power to encourage or force his employees to attend non-work-related activities. This Christening should not have been discussed at work. * Female minister. "Friends", "Smallville", wedding after wedding on tv seems to involve a female minister these days. * And said Minister doesn't know how to pronounce Halpert, invites the entire congregation to their reception and the teen mission group is permitted to hijack the reception for their departure event. I'm not saying it's impossible for that to happen, but I've never been in a church where the entire congregation has been invited from the pulpit to a wedding or other personal event without the express permission of the celebrants...and I've attended churches for over 40 years. * To teach Sunday School, I had to undergo a background check. In this day and age, no church in its right mind would allow two grown men who are not members and have no luggage to spontaneously jump on a bus with teenagers to go on a trip with them.
  12. They finally revealed that Ella and Sergei were married. I did appreciate how they showed the charismatic Rasputin reaching out to people with compassion and empathy which attracted them to him. But, call me a prude, I don't think I've ever seen a show that had so much sexual content that was so unnecessary to move the plot along.
  13. That's exactly right. Toby's job was to protect the employees and, by extension, the company. That means that he's supposed to intervene in situations that could result in lawsuits against the company. But Toby, while well-versed in HR duties, does not have the ability to stand up to Michael. It's quite likely that he doesn't get the support from Corporate that he needs. Michael wants to say whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants, regardless of how inappropriate it is. Corporate clearly tolerates this as I find it hard to believe that no one has ever complained to them about Michael (or Todd Packer). We even get a scene in Season 3's "The Job" where even David Wallace complains about Corporate's HR guy, Kendall. This is the same Kendall who, in season 5's "Business Ethics" doesn't think Meredith's sleeping with a supplier for Outback gift cards is a big deal...because it benefits the company. The fish rots from the head down. Corporate tolerates Michael and doesn't back up Toby, Michael resents Toby trying to tell him what to do, but knows he won't generally be held accountable for his actions. This means the Scranton employees work in a hostile environment rampant with sexism, racism and a boss who invades their privacy and abuses his power.
  14. MeTV appears to be airing them in random order, too. They showed the entire first season, then a few episodes into the second they started jumping to 6th and 9th season episodes randomly inserted.
  15. So we were concerned about the TV-MA rating. Granted, Netflix shows are heavy on the language and Russia was a rather violent place even before the Revolution. Mr. Wordsworth quipped, "Well, if there's a Russian orgy ten minutes into it, we'll turn it off". 20 minutes later, he hollers, "I was joking!" I do realize that Rasputin's cult philosophy regarding continuing to sin in order to get God's favor is an essential part of his character and that his rationalizing sleeping around figures into that philosophy, but, I did think it was a bit much for one 45-minute episode to focus on titillation to the extent it did. Was it really necessary to show Nicholas deflowering his bride on their wedding night to demonstrate that they did, in fact, love each other? How much of Russia's complicated problems did they ignore just to fixate on nude bodies in this show?
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