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13 minutes ago, Zahdii said:
Jimmy Kimmel was the first time I saw someone encouraging that "funny" thing, and I was terribly disappointed in him. I think he's stopped it, but I watch Stephen Colbert most often these days, so I don't know for sure.
I hope Jill and Derick do such a thing. It serves no purpose other than to give pleasure to people who like mean pranks.
Nope, it's still on:
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Is it weird that whenever I see the name "Collingsworth" I read "Collinswood" and think about Dark Shadows? 😂
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4 hours ago, Zahdii said:
That last picture, with Nurie sitting next to Tim. Does she look to you like she's looking at the camera and thinking "I'll smile for one last picture, but if you try to take another I'm going to make you eat that blessed phone."
Tim seems to be happy to have his picture taken, and he looks more filled-out and healthier than he did while living at home. I hear he's living with a local family in Wisconsin, so he's probably able to eat much better than he used to. I think that he's better off physically now, but I still think he's having a tough time living so far away. Returning to the nest agrees with him. It must be nice to come back and soak up all the attention, because he's probably not treated like a conquering hero in his daily life.
The FJ poster who has a friend that saw the Rods at a pizza parlor in Ohio has updated:
"After finally speaking by phone with my person who saw them at the Wooster Donato's Pizza, a few more tidbits:
She had only seen a few pictures of them when I randomly mentioned them to her a few months ago. Never saw David from the front (on Sat) and said she thought his size would have eliminated any doubt about it being them, but was thrown about Jill not looking as OTT as she had seen in pictures (so the minimal make-up / hair / dressed down seems to be much more consistent lately), but she was convinced b/c of Nurie.
She said Nurie's eyes really struck her. She couldn't quite come up with the word she wanted, landed on 'pleading' almost. She wasn't sure if Nurie thought she recognized her (my person) from somewhere or something (though my person definitely had never seen them before) or if Nurie was almost trying to strike up conversation or something, but that Nurie kept looking at her.
She said all the girls were prettier in person than she expected from the pictures. Now having seen the pictures from Donato's that Jill posted, I'm guessing b/c the ones I'd shown her were ones they were wearing more make-up, had hair that was overall more fussy, etc. I'm not sure which, but she said one of the other older girls (not Nurie) was taking care of the littlest girls and eventually went to go get a high chair after they seemed to realize just standing around blocking the line wasn't maybe the best choice.
She didn't feel particularly struck by their voices, so I'm guessing either their overly performative/affected speech really is more for video (as has been guessed based on not always hearing it when hearing them in the background of videos) or else it's just not as evident in person.
I just still can't get over that after following the Rod crazy for YEARS, for the first time I randomly mentioned them to someone IRL back in October, shortly after they end up near where that person lives (but I never bothered to tell her b/c I really didn't think she'd care/remember our conversation b/c it was just silliness in the midst of other stuff during our visit), and then weeks later she literally runs into them when she was picking up dinner!
When I sent her the pictures today and said to remove the little smidge of doubt she still had given Jill's appearance, as it obviously really was them, she remarked about how weird it all was and that she couldn't get over having seen them. I told her maybe God didn't want her to be bored in the snowy Ohio winter in their relatively uninteresting area and so he brought some of the special form of Rod crazy to her. I'm not sure she was amused by my quip! I'm also not sure she'll ever let me mention random crazy people to her again either!
She did, however, promise to report back if she sees them again, especially now that she knows they really are going to be around her area, and that next time she'll pay even more attention. Oh, and she was shocked when I told her Nurie was getting married."
As for the spoiler, I'm not surprised the sightseer didn't note extreme makeup on the part of the girls, because I've never seen Nurie with that little makeup. The last picture doesn't even show foundation or coverup; just minimal eyeliner and some mascara.
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5 hours ago, crazy8s said:
I will give Jill a pass on baking cookies and eating junk with the boys while derrick was late at school.
we criticize her for not being involved with the boys, not doing age appropriate things with the boys, boys into mischief while jill seems to not have a clue, etc
we know they probably eat the beige slop/poor man's pizza with olives and the like most of the time so this was most likely enjoyable for Izzy and Sam. Maybe even for Jill. If she learns to let go and enjoy time with the boys while Derrick is away they will all be better off.
My husband also traveled endlessly and worked late when our kids were young. starting around Izzy's age, our kids did cook your own dinner fridays. they learned to circle the items needed in an ad or write them on a list . with supervision they learned the basics of cooking, reading recipes and measuring and mostly ate what they cooked. they made some truly horrible things. second child went through a scrambled eggs with food coloring stage. barf emoji would be useful here because that is what those eggs always looked like, vomit in a pan
I give Jill a pass if she has to take the car to pick Derick up for some reason, because then it would be useful to have the kids awake with her.
I also might give Jill a pass, if the kids were clamoring desperately to see Derick before they went to sleep.
I will not, however, give Jill a pass if she's breaking the routine because she's as desperate to see Derick as your standard emotionally underdeveloped five-year-old who can't tell time.
Unfortunately, I have an overwhelming suspicion that the latter is closer to the truth.
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7 minutes ago, SMama said:
She is?
I myself was thinking how much some of the dark Rodlets look like Aunt Not-Amy.
2 minutes ago, doodlebug said:I am sure that Jill has thoroughly indoctrinated her kids and they are afraid of anyone who is not just like them. I would also expect there are consequences if any of them step out of line and interact with the general public, even just chatting with someone on line at the pizza place. That is how abusive parents keep their kids in check and prevent them from reaching out for help. They make the kids think that they, the parents, are the only answer and that asking for outside help will only make things worse for them.
We've already seen that Jill does virtually all the talking for them in the videos she makes and we strongly suspect that she writes a lot of the posts she claims were written by them. I don't think those kids are ever allowed to speak without Mama's approval. And Mama will never give her approval to speaking to outsiders.
Plus, I wouldn't put it past Jill or David to embarrass the kids with covert or overt disapproval, if someone in line around them at the pizza place is dropping F-bombs or similar. Can't you imagine them lecturing the offender? The kids are probably on high alert, lest they be required to at any moment agree that yes, it is appalling how short that girl's skirt was and how trampy the females are dressed.
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1 minute ago, Jeeves said:
Oh, I agree! And that's why I'll probably re-read the book. I was just tired and feeling kind of emotionally fragile when I was reading the book last night. I'm somewhat familiar with the doctrines in question, and I was just not in a place where I wanted to take in all of her rather vivid descriptions of the apocalyptic stuff and lakes of blood and fire and people branded with the mark of Satan and all. ☹️
I certainly understand that! I just hate to see people in general veering away from information they are on the brink of gaining; but I certainly advise you to take it at your own pace.
The above sample, for ex., explains a lot about the Duggars and their passion for God-bothering; although "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" was required reading for me in my (secular) high school, and thus I've always had some colorful exemplars of Puritanism in the back of my head (for the record, I thought ol' John Edwards was so vitriolic as to border upon parody; and had to restrain myself from laughing at some points during the reading, which was clearly not the idea).
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12 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:
I hang around a fairly liberal crowd. Quite a few people only knew the Duggars as those Christians who have a bunch of kids. Some even follow them on IG and not as a hate follow. Having to explain Jessa's belief system to my Jewish classmates was a good ol' time.
There was a post somewhere on Am I the Asshole? about if the OP was an asshole for assuming people have basic knowledge about certain things. I think a lot of people here take for granted that the public at large knows exactly what evangelical Christianity is and what it entails. A lot of people truly don't know and you have to spell out exactly what it means.
It doesn't help TLC has put a shiny coat of paint on the Duggars to make them more palatable to a wider audience. Even people who disagree with their beliefs were watching 19K&C and following them on IG because "they can't be that bad". If TLC had portrayed them as is, well we wouldn't be discussing them on this forum. They wouldn't have gotten very far.
The "basic knowledge about fundamentalists" category is certainly A Thing. I'm frequently surprised by things that some people don't know are unsurprising about the Duggars (no "devil's food cake" - I legit have a family member who once told another family member that she should not buy "Heluva Good" brand cheese - no gambling for coin tosses or even reference to "luck" - be in church every time the doors are open - etc., etc.); and also much of the "Christianese" that people describe as "weird" (for clarification, I'm not surprised that people in general are surprised at the definitions of the Christianese; I'm merely surprised they've never heard the phrasings before). (Aside: I've also been meaning to point out for the record, that our local LGBTQ congresscritter invited people recently to an LGBTQ meeting for "fellowship", and it was all I could do to avoid rolling on the ground when I encountered that flyer).
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2 hours ago, Jeeves said:
Oh wowzer. I've just read a book that really lays out the Fundamentalist (and I think essentially the IFB strain) theology quite vividly. It's Fleeing Fundamentalism, an autobiography by Carlene Cross. She grew up on a Montana farm, and in her adolescence was drawn into that belief system when her mother got converted. Carlene then went to a (now defunct) Bible college where she met and later married a handsome charismatic fellow student. He became the pastor of a church in the Pacific Northwest, which (I think this was in the 80's - 90's) grew in membership because he was such a draw.
Cross is a talented writer who brings life and detail to the story. And what a story.
I'm no expert on the IFB version of fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity but I'm pretty sure what she describes is what the Duggars, Bates, et al, believe, and the world they live in. Warning: it's not pretty and I confess to skimming many pages of that stuff.
Giving any kind of recap is beyond me at the moment, but I will say there are horrors and hypocrisies, love and hope, struggle and suffering, and strength, triumphs, and love. I'm sure I'll read it again.
Oh, I almost forgot. She mentions Bill Gothard a few times. Including this: when she and her future husband were engaged, he kept citing Bill Gothard as the authority on how they were to behave. She said that she thought that as a man who'd never married or been a parent, she wasn't sure how Gothard was such an expert on all that stuff, but she was into being a good and obedient believer so kept her mouth shut.
If/when you do read it again, I strongly suggest reading more closely through the "skimming portion", because that's probably where the meat of identification with the brainwashed Duggars comes from; so is not a waste of time in reality. It certainly I suspect cuts down on many moments of extreme WTFery that Duggar behavior occasions.
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12 minutes ago, Tikichick said:
Manners are for the way other people are to treat them.
ETA: This is exactly why Kendra stands out in that crowd. It's not even as if she's putting them on because she knows she should -- it just flows right out of her naturally.
You're right - for a group of people whose motto is "Jesus, Others, You", the Duggars (and in fact most Gothardite type fundies as a whole), are shockingly unconcerned with manners. Does somebody tell them the Pilgrims dispensed with manners for "others", thinking they were stuffy things of Ye Olde England, maybe? Because I've certainly seen it before, with fundie kids who never say "please" or "thank you" for anything, and/or sit around farting silently and ripely at the dinner table, as well as the "slamming the door in your face" gesture of Josiah (that one's a golden oldie fundied favorite, in my experience. My best friend from high school married a deeply unpleasant person in many ways, who would hold doors for HER, only to let them slam in the face of myself, my mother, my BF's mother... it was really quite something to behold. Once upon a time we all barged forward underneath his arm before he could shut the door in front of us, thanking him profusely - he looked legitimately shocked and outraged).
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17 minutes ago, awaken said:
Yeah, he looked pretty decent in his wedding photos! The years have not been kind.
I generally don't want to look at him long enough to figure it out, but are his teeth janky in alignment? Thinking maybe (a), he never had braces; (b), maybe the teeth grew worse over time, warping his face further into the "Duhhhh" expression?? Granted I have reasonably good teeth so don't know a lot about braces in general; but wouldn't the gap have narrowed if he had had them?
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16 hours ago, Dimi1 said:
my facialist at the spa I go to told me at my last visit that a nurse she works with had her baby and that the day of birth visitors came and someone kissed the baby who had herpes. The baby now has herpes and is in intensive care.
Goodness, that's horrible. I never touch anybody's newborn's bare skin. Maybe the top of a wee bare foot with the back of an index finger; and only then if baby's too young to display any interest in sticking their foot in their mouth.
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14 hours ago, leighdear said:
In Touch keeps calling these people Tweeting at Derick "fans". I hope they realize that many of these people deliberately bait him, troll him and post provocative crap just to get a reaction from him. I'd say they're poking the bear, but Derick is no bear. Maybe a weasel.
Real fans don't actually ask real questions. They just blather about them being sooooo sweet!!! and their kids are soooo cute!!! And bless them! Bless them! Bless them!
I'm pretty sure that the metrics that track these things don't care. Twitter doesn't note "hate-followers" separately in the "followers" category; just the same way that Nielsen doesn't separate "hate-watchers" from real watchers. 2.4M (or whatever) followers, is 2.4M followers; so doubtless Derick looks reasonably popular by Twitter metrics.
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On 11/30/2019 at 3:27 PM, Lunera said:
Jeremy's sister visited for Thanksgiving.
Sweet pictures. I like how they look like they're sharing auntie/niece confidences... also Felicity's little outfits.
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3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:
Is he really planning to write a Duggar family exposé, though, or just some festival of arrogance autobiography at the ripe old age of thirty?
Well, there's really no point in my prognosticating this far ahead, but Derick has been to real school, and read/used biographies in term papers, he must know what they're like. He also must know that he's done next to nothing with his life to date that could fill material; as well as how long standard published books run. I don't see him wanting to do it as a 30-page essay or something on Patreon for a tip jar either; I think he wants big money.
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8 minutes ago, SMama said:
I’m surprised he’s so bold about his plan. JB is going to like him even more now. Maybe part of Derick’s assholery (real term 😊) comes from his perceived mistreatment of Jill. And he is right about that.
I never bought that Derick and Ben were informed before the whole thing blew up. On that last big interview for 19K, Ben looked pissed, and allegedly at that time they knew Volderjoshgate 1 was about to be exposed. And maybe Derick used his surgery as an excuse to not participate.
Derick is a smug jerk with horrible beliefs. But if he sheds light on the abuse JB and Michelle have perpetrated, and Jill finally gets money she worked for, fine by me.
As long as that is what Jill wants.
Jill might be both asked and currently prepared to contribute; which would explain the estrangement. After all, I don't think it'll be much of a book if she doesn't chime in, Derick is clearly not proposing to write an autobiography of himself, as apart from the Duggars and the death of his father he doesn't really have much to talk about. A pamphlet exposing the Duggar family?
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2 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:
That is because Kendra, despite her fundiness, seems to have been raised with manners and structure.
Let's not forget to credit her parents, as they made a conscious decision somewhere along the line that godliness was not the be-all and end-all of life and that we should also get along well with each other and strangers, which seems rare amongst the Gothardite parents.
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On 12/3/2019 at 6:21 AM, ginger90 said:
Nice hi-res picture of the baby this time around! Clearly someone heard my complaint about the prior blurry family photos, lol.
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2 hours ago, SongbirdHollow said:
All this theme naming reminds me of dog breeders that have themed litters. And it’s not just for fun, it helps them keep track of the ages and relationship of the pups.
That makes a lot of sense, like how horses are often named by portmanteauing parts of their parents' names into a whole.
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1 hour ago, Libby96 said:
A July wedding for Nurthan? I am totally surprised that they are waiting so long. Usually people of their ilk seem to marry after a few months of engagement, lest the couple be tempted to front hug or something. I guess keeping the happy couple apart in different states is guarding against that until this summer.
Ain't nobody doin' JRod out of six months of wedding planning, yo.
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Joy looks really good with the minimal amounts of makeup she's been sporting lately. It looks as if her skin is clearing up also.
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On 11/26/2019 at 9:08 PM, Madtown said:
I clicked on the link, but it's an 8 minute video. Not watching it..lol The pictures are cute though.
Are Jessa and/or Bin working on composition and framing? Or was this just a happy accident? They look good, very natural.
Ivy's generic lumpy baby face is resolving into that of a tasty little mite, I bet she will take after Spurgeon. Has it been discussed before, whether or not that ivy-colored onesie is intentional?
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On 11/30/2019 at 9:43 PM, dargosmydaddy said:
Wow, is it normal for someone's wardrobe to be that... bland... color-wise? I see a lot of mustard (of course), gray, and beige. Where's the color??? The only thing that pops out is the blue sweater... in the giveaway pile!
Yeah, it's kind of awful IMO; the kind of color scheme I saw some clever author once characterize as "woods and weeds". Though, I look particularly hideous in autumn colors like orange and rust; whereas maybe Jana does not. Branch out into some jewel-toned clothes though, dang.
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16 hours ago, judyjudyjudy said:
More turkey bites please....I think?
Agreed, but it would be more convincing if the progress of the plate contents were moving. 🤔
As for the spelling debate, one of the things I heard and always thought convincing, is that spelling is a visual art more than anything else; thus you needed to study spending your life looking at good spelling. Looking at the torturously misspelled words of the "guess which word in this sentence is wrong and spell it correctly!" type of problems, is supposed to be deadly. I've always thought it made a lot of sense, having seen contenders in spelling bees clearly trying to recreate words by staring off into the distance picturing it printed on thin air; writing the words out with their index fingers in the air, etc.
Forgot to mention, I think maybe this is why Derick and Jill aren't all that concerned that (if?) Izzy doesn't know how to spell his name, because they think he'll see it spelled out properly approximately eleventy billion times in the Bible before age 16.
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3 hours ago, Rabbittron said:
Nurie got grape bubblegum ,flowers, pink candle ,cross bracelet and a coffee cup from the 1st guy.
Plus Hershey's Kisses in a purple bag; at least according to this thread in 2017, lol.
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Josiah and Lauren: He Has To Marry Somebody
in Counting On
Aw, she looks great there. Did she scratch her wee chin?