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2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:
The thing is, I don't think the unpartnered Duggarlings really do much else besides go to Home Depot (or some place similar) and find plants and hardware to fix up their parents' home and JB's many ragtag properties. That pretty much symbolizes their lives, too. .... Although in their case, it's sad.
And yet, with this piece of information, you'd think the youngsters would be a bit more enthused over getting to travel to England/Israel/Danger America, etc., etc., thinking "hey, at least it's somewhere different to go"...
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1 hour ago, Chicklet said:
But but my evangelical sister in law tells me that Jesus REALLY was only drinking grape juice. And that wedding in Cana was really only serving grape juice so he didn't do much except it was a miracle. So evidently the bible is wrong, except it's the TRUTH.
Color me confused by those people.
Pfff. Amateurs.
No explanation of Cana is complete without an extra assertion that God "let" the water be turned into alcoholic wine just because the audience expected it; and that sometimes in the commission of Biblical miracles it's OK to "use evil for good".
Or that half the wineskins were set aside for the "kiddy tables" and did contain unfermented wine.
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7 hours ago, Love2dance said:
I have always thought that JB’s proclaiming that the TV show was a ministry was BS. The only way for that to be accurate is if they demonstrated their TRUE religious beliefs about LGBTQ members, other religions, etc. on air and encouraged the viewers to join them. What they shared was window dressing to make TLC happy and fill their coffers. YMMV
And yet, I guarantee there are many evangelicals out there who think the same way Derick apparently does, which is that prostituting yourself on air to show a watered-down sanitized version of Christianity without any so-called righteous shaming and blaming is useless; and only opens the family up to a toehold for Satan a la - drumroll - Josh.
They would say that just tra-la-la'ing around like a circus sideshow "doing things a little [vaguely] differently", isn't doing much at all to educate the sinful heathens. And these people aren't jealous famewhores; they sincerely believe it.
Which then makes you wonder: is it more "righteous" to maintain a purity of worldview, even if the worldview is flawed (best case scenario) or (worst) downright rotten, than it is to lie to people by omission and covert action? At least the Rods (maybe bad example as we KNOW they'd change places with JB and M in a minute; but bear with me), you know where they stand, and they're remarkably consistent about it to boot.
Also, maybe JB&M allow themselves to think that getting invited to their little "marriage seminars" and lecturing the already converted along the lines the converted already know, makes this a "ministry".
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6 hours ago, sondraK said:
I know,that kills me when I see ppl write things like 'banana's'.They don't understand the ' denotes possession.Since the bananas don't own themselves,it's simply 'bananas'
Agreed! and Pris super doesn't understand this one, because it's clearly obvious that the author of the Bible book is talking about and to a batch of people, which there's no way she's escaped that fact as someone steeped in the broth. I doubt she'd write "today we ministered to the Namibian's"; or maybe she would!
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The Book of "Roman's", Pris?
Really???!? How many times in your life have you looked at an open Bible, girlfriend?
Those poor kids are doomed, unless David can stay home from IBLP headquarters to be the English tutor.
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On 1/15/2020 at 4:45 PM, xwordfanatik said:
Joy, please wash your hair. Or your bangs, at least. You're so pretty otherwise.
Giddyup is a cutie!
She, like Jinger, needs a dip in the ProActiv.
Either that, or everyone in the family has suddenly developed an affinity for a mystery filter that makes everyone's complexion look pebbly.
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23 hours ago, GeeGolly said:
Great question!
I don't know they advantages, but I did a small rabbit hole reading about all the different systems used. In the US it seems there's quite a few systems used, depending on area and when the community was developed. In my area of the northeast I don't believe I've ever seen a 4 digit house number. The house I grew up in was low 2 digit number.
Don't ask me why as it's always been a mystery, but my folks live on a very short cul-de-sac.
All the houses on the street, naturally, were single digits. They were single digits on the sale agreement and mortgage papers.
Not too long after my parents' purchase, the post office started sending mail, indicating that they were requiring us to soon be a four-digit postal address.
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On 1/12/2020 at 8:56 PM, Churchhoney said:
Some of the best things in life come in pairs?
boobs? socks? men's and ladies' restrooms? handcuffs?
Gotta admit you've stumped me, Jingle.
She should at least get credit for staying away from Jesusspeak Birthday Greetings...
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On 1/15/2020 at 5:37 PM, Churchhoney said:
Looked at the website of one of the G3 sponsors (couldn't resist -- it's called Missional Wear). Anyway, found this --
They also sell, wait for it, a large selection of cigar holders. (It's a man's man's man's world...) One says "Enjoy Calvinism" on it.
I gather that "The Spurge" was a big cigar smoker. Of course, at the time the news wasn't out about tobacco and cancer...
That would be fabulous for an ugly Christmas sweater party.
Even if you did have to walk around explaining it to everyone.
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6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:
'Gothard enticed followers with promises that his teachings would lead to great knowledge and achievement. ATI, Gothard has written, “was designed to train up world changers,” the heart of a grandiose vision that many former followers say intrigued them—at first. Gothard actively discouraged his followers from attending public school, college, or even medical school, instead urging them to address medical issues on a “spiritual level.” The Wisdom Booklets are a dizzying application of Gothard’s “principles” to every conceivable discipline—law, medicine, history, linguistics, math, science—all instilling the fundamental belief that one must discern and follow God’s will, not the dictates of the secular world, in every aspect of life, right down to, say, choosing a toothbrush. “As we commit the work of buying a toothbrush to Him,” one Wisdom Book advises, “He has promised to make His will known to us.”
'The Wisdom Booklets were also designed to give ATI families a sense of godly superiority. The very first one, for example, suggests a family outing to a supermarket parking lot in order to “to develop the spiritual skill of ‘seeing’ people as Jesus saw them.” The booklet gives examples of how when one carefully observes strangers, one can perceive, for example, that a teenage boy had “low esteem of himself by the way he dressed and by his appearance,” or that his eyes and dress display “a spirit of rebellion toward authority.” Or one could discern “that the young woman walking toward the store has the attire of an immoral woman,” and that she needed “to overcome bitterness toward those who have wronged her.”'
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp
There are many first-person stories about these things out there. I remember one, for example, about how Gothard promised teenagers in Gothard families that if they followed all the Gothard-y rules, wore the khaki pants and so on, their superiority and worth would shine forth to the extent that they might one day board an airplane looking all Gothardy and find that some highly influential person on the plane would see their shininess from a seat elsewhere and come to offer them some kind of big-time job that was beyond their wildest dreams.
I'm still busy trying to understand... what did they think would lead to their big-time jobs? Probably because it seems kind of counterintuitive, to both point out that the value system of the ebil world gives gifts to individuals with college educations, and that everything is based on this "false system of idols"... it doesn't matter what they think of college educations; the fact remains, this is how the world works. You can't simultaneously acknowledge the systems of the world as status-quo; and then say that simply looking more wholesome and Pleasantville than everyone else will qualify you for things better than the world doles out by following its acknowledged paths to success. At the very, very least, it seems the goal should be to go out and infiltrate the existing colleges and universities; or at least to aspire to creating Liberty University or Bob Jones U. yourselves.
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2 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:
No comment.
*also connotes last time spirited toddlers allowed outside without pants
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Yeah, it generally takes me 2 days to fold the laundry to completion (using closet organizers; hanging wet stuff on shower rod, etc.) so I give Jill a pass. I might even emulate her, as I often think ‘shame that my wall is the other side of the next apartment’s bedroom, or else Alexa could entertain me with some 2020 songs’.
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1 hour ago, louannems said:
I remember when Joy's best friend was Sierra, many years older than her. Hopefully Sierra isn't pouring into and discipling Joy into having baby after baby forever.
And now it all makes sense though, doesn't it? Your "friend" is really your frumpy mentor; which is why someone thought it was A-OK for a grown woman to be best friends with teen Joy.
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2 hours ago, louannems said:
It looks like a costume from a Little House On The Prairie play.
Once upon a time after Fundy Christmas, my parents were discussing my aunt's dress (as we often did).
My mother: Why must she wear those dresses which look like Laura's dresses from Little House on the Prairie?
My father: LOOK like?! It IS a dress from Little House on the Prairie!
Mom: But seriously -
Dad: No, I mean it is the ACTUAL dress, woman! Laura was wearing it on the episode I saw last night!
I of course thought he was exaggerating, but then lo and behold, I saw the dress in person on a rerun of the offending episode (movie?), and it was the literal, actual, in-your-face dress, there on Melissa Gilbert.
Red and black plaid, if I recall correctly, with some sort of wide white fichu type furbelow around the neck.
I wondered if the costume designer was getting residuals, because clearly some Modesty Wear designer had a lightbulb go off over their head to copy Little House dresses and sell them to the fundagelical.
I, too, admit I thought my father was making it up; or had seen some dress "something" like in the family of Laura's red-and-black plaid; but no. He did indeed mean the actual, literal copy of the dress, which I knew because in retrospect I had seen my aunt in many a Christmas photo wearing it.
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2 hours ago, Heathen said:
"Ski skirts" aren't about modesty at all! It's "look at me, I'm such a righteous Christchun!"
Kelly Bates is so full of shit, she squeaks.
Based on what we know of Gothardism and the Wisdumb Booklets, I'm almost positive that "ski skirts" came about "working as double duty in case anyone around starts to suspect that the girls possess a crotch".
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On 12/29/2019 at 1:21 PM, Oldernowiser said:
Although if that’s a changing table with that bucket of cotton branches on it...has she never changed a baby? They’re not known for lying there serenely and admiring the decor.
I'm hoping and expecting it's not, considering the changing pad (?) appears to be folded up inside a black lacquer box far shorter than your average infant 😂 . Either way I don't get it, unless it's a spare set of things and they have a separate table set up; or it's now considered healthier for some reason to change one's baby on the floor, because as I understand it, often you don't really have time to "set up" a changing table anew every time you're gonna use it, lol ("This kid's gonna blow!!! Outta my way!!!").
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On 1/5/2020 at 9:42 PM, Mojitogirl said:
Her hair definitely looks gray. It must be the filter their PR person likes to use to make their pictures “artsy”. I think Jessa is using a similar one.
The strangest thing for me is that only Jessa and Jana seem to be in attendance. Where are the other sisters and SIL? And why is there a church pew in the house as an actual seating surface (instead of as a design element)? They are so uncomfortable for mindless sitting.I like the one where the family member with glasses (Joy? Hannie?) is making eyes at someone's adorable baby over the back of the couch and vice versa. They are in a dyad completely ignoring Mechelle, lol.
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I thought this seemed as good a Duggar thread as any to post this:
Some interesting insights:
Research suggests that we employ five major belief-enforcing techniques:
We isolate ourselves from people who hold outside beliefs in order to shield our ideas from even the possibility of contrary voices and arguments. Forms of isolation play a role in most group memberships, ranging from strong examples such as military basic training, to subtle examples such as a spouse who tries to exclude one of his or her partner’s unappreciated friends.
We try to reduce our direct exposure to other beliefs and ideas that might challenge our own. We can see stronger examples in hardline nation states with totalitarian regimes that ban media and free speech. At the same time, all forms of education use similar principles, whether in selecting appropriate texts for the classroom or in prescribing the best nutritional advice.
We connect our beliefs to powerful emotions. One approach involves anchoring negative emotions to belief failures. The obvious example is the fear of an unpalatable afterlife as a result of non-compliance to a religious doctrine. On the other hand, we also scare our kids deliberately in order to shape their behaviors and steer them away from risk, whether in the form of electricity or pools, or both at the same time.
We associate with like-minded groups in which we work together to undermine rival beliefs and the groups proposing them. Targeting competing beliefs is common in politics, especially along party and ideological lines. Academics have also made this into a fine art under the rubric of the scientific method by highlighting the weaknesses in theoretical adversaries’ arguments while ignoring their strengths.
A final technique for immunizing our beliefs relies on repetition. Repetition is, of course, the backbone of all learning (for better and worse), including the essentials, such as grammar; the extraneous, such as sporting allegiances; and the repugnant, such as racism.
These five natural techniques for protecting our beliefs suggest that minds did not evolve to evaluate what is or is not the truth. Our minds were equipped through evolution with an impulsion to create, transmit, and defend beliefs that are useful, whether true or not. Although accurate beliefs can of course be useful, useful beliefs are not necessarily accurate.
Bolding by me above
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On 1/6/2020 at 6:41 PM, hathorlive said:
I'm impressed she's a) trying to get new habits, because most of her Duggar habits are beyond the norm and b) she's getting source materials from academic places, not from "Jesus loves you U" type places.
I feel she fairly recently credited Derick with introducing her to the Happiness Project. Or he credited himself, lol.
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33 minutes ago, kokapetl said:
The fists make sense since he’s leaning forward and propping up the kids.
Yeah, as the couch is leather, maybe the boys are prone to sliding off with their wee lightweight bodies.
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18 hours ago, becca3891 said:
Well, darn. Here's the website from the tract I was given and it looks like it's someone else with a "printing ministry." As seen here, they charge $35 for batches of 500 smiley face tracts. http://www.smilefacetract.com/track-orders?category=Batch+Order
They'd better hope they remember/can afford to get the septic tank emptied far more often than recommended, then. I had neighbors whose tank overflowed and it was horrible. (But the Rods kind of deserve it, LOL.)
I feel like David’s smiley face tract was, um, hand-drawn. Or maybe one of those self conscious arty ‘I can’t draw a circle’ rustic font type thing.
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1 hour ago, sugarplum said:
I couldn’t agree with you more.
it’s like a barely literate fan fiction author showing up at a foundation, calling themselves a ‘writer’, and getting monetary grants, lol.
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38 minutes ago, sugarplum said:
Honestly? They likely don’t. 🤷♀️😂 But the phrase that was always preached to us is that we may be planting a seed when you put that gospel tract in their hand. You may not see the fruits of that, but the seed is planted and someone else may be the one to come along and water/nurture/sow that seed. I’d imagine that most people toss them before even reading it though. I’ve had them stuck in my front door before and they get tossed right along with the junk mail. I can see some situations where they could be useful, specifically with foreign missions with language barriers.
I do understand the system, but the Rods don't do the heathen who know or learn a single thing about them any favors in my opinion; because they seem exactly like "grifters who want to use 'ministry' as a cloak to explain away them not wanting to do a lick of real work". They're like the caricatures Hollywood loves to make fun of IMO, and providing more of the problem rather than the solution for the faithful by their "ministry". When I think of "the kind of Christian who gives Christians a bad name", the Rodrigues Family Portrait is right there in my mind next to it, and it really doesn't seem fair to "actual people with a heart for ministry plus a skill and talent for it".
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6 hours ago, Churchhoney said:
I am surprised that as far as I can see, none of the missionaries in that CMC list say anything about the churches or whoever who are their actual sponsors. .And that the story about the family in Taiwan kind of (to me, anyway) seems to imply that they've been working very much on their own.
Well, from reading the description it sounds like the Taiwan-based family is actually doing something tangible (four church plantings); and have also acquired a respectable working knowledge of Chinese, so there's that separating them from the Rods.
8 hours ago, sugarplum said:As I said, I’m no longer a part of this lifestyle and haven’t been for years, but I spent the better part of 25 years as a fundie and am happy to answer questions as best as I can from my experience.
Glad to have you here. I grew up in mainstream generic "Bible-believing" fundie-adjacent, and the idea of "domestic missionaries" is completely (no pun intended) foreign to me. This has clarified a lot for me, as my church would never have thought of sponsoring USA-based missionaries or making it official that they were doing so, I'm used to reading about the exploits of so-and-so in Indonesia or Japan on a weekly basis in the church bulletin. (I, personally, also don't think the Rod parents do enough good or are industrious enough that the congregation members should give them anything; but if this is "a thing", I guess this is "a thing"; and that it's A-OK not to produce any results and then, I assume, claim that we'll never really "know" the reach of their cheap homemade tract-papering and only God does - not being mean here, we've seen exemplars of David's skill. I can't imagine any heathen doing more than laughing at the sight of the tracts and their unprofessionalism; so it all seems like a big delusional grift to us that nobody should be supporting with love offerings.)
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The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy
in Counting On
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discipline