SNeaker

UGH. Thing about the final "I Lived" number is...hey, it's great. Better that it's there than not being there, and it's super cool that everyone was in it. Really lovely way to end the show. But like...everyone is in it. Which means that there's still no kind of special focus at all for the glee club originals in the series finale. Santana/Brittany/Quinn/Puck/Mike will get the same amount of focus and screentime as the old noobs (and less than the new noobs), Becky, the adults, etc. It's always going to bother me. With two hours they're focusing on the past of the original 5 and their future to see how far they've come, and that makes it look like the rest were basically irrelevant in the end. And yeah, it bothers me in particular that they're likely going to show Puck's past as a horrible bully without the contrast of how far he's come. And I know that my friends will say to me "But you wouldn't want to see Puck marrying Quinn" and that's true, but I still think the way they decided to handle this says something, and not anything good.

So the series finale is essentially two straight hours of "the original 5 are the only characters that matter." Oh wait, Sam and Blaine too. My eyes can't roll hard enough.

And no Puck/Rachel "Mashup" makeout? Pshaw. I get the ones for Finchel/Klaine/Brittana, but wtf are those other ones doing there? Especially over Will and Emma in "Sectionals."

Awww, man. :(

Ceeg can back me up that I guessed this.

Her cross necklace.

Mark and Lea. Why do you hurt me.

Well, I'd want them to be performing as the characters not themselves, but it could still be an out of context number the way "The Scientist" and "Seasons of Love" were. More in the line of what often goes on in a traditional musical. There aren't any other scenes with those characters besides this one, so I don't see where they could provide a context for them all being there, and especially not all the adults and such.

I don't think their being in costume precludes it being an out of context number. I just hope Mark is in it and not that damned uniform.

Could be a number that's not specifically in the show, per se. Kind of like...I never personally got the sense that "The Scientist" actually happened on stage like that.

I would like that way too much, so there's no way.

I wouldn't have a problem with a random episode focusing on the original 5, nor do I mind any of the callbacks to them -- I also enjoy them, just as I enjoy the callbacks to the Unholy Trinity, the Troubletones, Single Ladies, etc. But I often see the sentiment that certain major episodes should ONLY be about the original 5, or how only the original 5 should be there to see Rachel get her Tony, etc, etc,, and that seems specifically exclusionary. And for the finale of the entire show I should think fans would want to see all of the original ND. Obviously we're not getting that and that's not the fault of the fandom, so I could see wanting it to focus on the originals that are left (which is basically original 5) certainly as opposed to noobs, but I was seeing that sentiment even before we knew the rest wouldn't be in the finale. I just don't really get it. What kills me is that a finale for Glee could seriously write itself. Any of us could do it. It'd be cliched and formulaic and no one would care because all they want is happy endings and final songs for the originals plus a big final group number. Edited to agree with the above: Puck without Finn is glaring.

Oh no, I didn't mean to imply you were. Just addressing the idea in general since I see it in fandom a LOT, and it chafes me.

They made that "joke" on the show (Santana saying Rachel was "pudgy" Sophomore year), and I was basically horrified. She was tiny. She got even tinier at times but she has never been anything but tiny.

Neil Patrick Harris, Michael C Hall, Andrew Ranells...Darren Criss. One of these things is not like the others.

I will never get the obsession with the original 5. It lasted one episode. The point of the show was the uneasy but ultimately successful melding of the nerds and the cheerleaders/jocks and how anyone can feel like an outcast. To my mind, people like Finn, Quinn, Santana, Puck and even Mike were actually much more affected and changed by being in glee club, and kind of showed what it could be about, far more than for some of the original 5. They were also more dynamic characters than some of those, imo. It's cute for little callbacks, but I get grouchy when people act like they were the five most important characters and leave out the others because they started off popular.

Not really? Dijon and Harry weren't in those first two episodes. They first showed up as members of the football team in "Preggers" who joined glee club along with Puck at the end of the episode after dancing helped them win a game. They all came in together, but I didn't get the sense they were Puck's lackeys.They were never shown to bully anyone. Which isn't to say they definitely never did (thought it's hard to imagine), but there's no proof of it as of now.

Well that would be dumb and a disservice to both Puck and Finn, but it wouldn't change the central point. Why would they do that anyway? Seems to me the flashback stuff is likely to set up how the sacred "original 5" has come so far.

Well, they're assholes. It isn't news. It's just the latest, and, I suppose, final example. At least re: Glee. Maybe with Dianna they didn't know it would be her last and the schedules couldn't work, but there's no excuse for bringing Mark back for four episodes to do nothing and then leave him out of the actual finale.

One could just as easily say the same thing about just about any of the characters at various times. Artie and Tina are just as happily enrolled in college. Brittany and Santana had as much "closure" in the 100th as Puck and Quinn, but they were still brought back this season to tell more of their story and give their characters a specific goodbye. And by bringing Puck and Quinn back at all this season, they essentially "reopened" them, so now their final appearances are lame and anti-climactic and had nothing to do with them (and in Puck's case may only show his former awful self.) It's insulting. Also they're never gonna last. Question is only will it be divorce after kids or will they see sense before it's too late.

But the actors won't be there, so I won't be watching, so I don't care. And like, honestly, I hate myself for this one last gasp of giving a shit, but...what the hell were they playing at, dragging Mark back for a bunch of non-speaking, non-singing cameos while pretty much every other minor cast member who's ever appeared gets more to do, and then not even letting the character or the actor take a goddamned bow? Why not just leave him out entirely if they weren't going to do anything with him? And the last glimpse will be of the gross bully he was? It's not like they can claim scheduling issues as with Dianna/Harry, and at least Santana/Brittany get a goodbye, even if not in the finale. It's almost comforting, how much they want to prove they can always find a lower place.

Nor Puck.

I would guess that a lot of the "criticism" of Mercedes is as much (if not more) to do with her size as her race, sad to say.

Kitty had Quinn's faux Christian piety, though.

Right. Slight tweaks, so therefore not the same at all. Ok. And not meant at all to be a parallel or variation of the same thing. "Oh, this time the Rachel type really loves the Puck type and chooses him over the Finn type (who is the Puck type's best friend!) Revolutionary!"