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7 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

Since soaps like to rhyme their alter names (Viki/Niki, Jess/Tess), what would we get? Hope and Grope? Hope and Nope? Hope and Dope? 

Watch it be Hannah or Heather or some shit lmao 😂

As @Anna Yolei pointed out spilt personality/DID storylines have only usually happened to characters that were abused as children or went through a horrible assault at some point in their life. And while Hope may have had it rough having her conception held over her head & thrown in her face all her life, I don't think that would realistically equate to anything more than her maybe being a Regina George as an adult. An avenue no writer had the ability or courage to ever take, so her having DID is all kinds of bullshit at this stage in her life. I don't blame the speculation, it certainly explains the extra levels of dumb, self-absorbed & hard-headed Hope is made to be to make this shit slightly feasible given what he's done and the missed/better opportunities before now. And just god forbid Thomas hold a permanent L where she's concerned or just moves on to a better arc in general. 

On Days of Our Lives, Abigail Horton also somehow developed DID despite having a solid childhood (all because her rapey, off the rails cousin got killed, so I guess Hope's DID justicifaction would be less cringey than that, at least in theory) and had an affair with her brother in law Stefan DiMera, while her alter ego took over & that was rightfully depicted as r*pe. Abigail herself wasn't in her right mind & thus not truly consenting. It goes without saying that I hated Abigail, but she didn't deserve that. 

So Brad better watch his step, he's already sugarcaoted Thomas's R-wording ways before. Through he'll probably do it again whether there is an audience for it or not. What saved DOOL imo was the lack of sugarcoating on that subject even if Stefan never went to jail, he did at least die(for a while).

3 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I hated it when Y&R did this shit with Billy with DID (a disorder that is nearly always the result of abuse as a child), and I'm sure that will look like Shakespeare compared to this show's writing.

Wait Jason Thompson's Billy???Thank God I wasn't watching Y&R when that happened....💀

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Mariah & Tessa ❤️💯

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Victoria, far be it from me to give a sliver of a break to your POS, Grampire father, but if you can't stay at least one step ahead of a clear schmooze machine like Audra, then that kinda sounds like a you problem....just saying... 

At least Tucker told Audra that she's playing with fire even though he indulged her plan in the end. Guess he figures experience is the best teacher. I think the show is gonna do a rehash of Chelsea's crisis with JT's podcast so it's likely to be cringeworthy and unrealistic. 

15 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Fortunately he didn’t become a reformed serial killer who ate the show in an insufferable pairing.

Whoa there Ninja! We love you and all, but how about some warning next time before you drop the horrible reminder of that nighmare supernecktie supercouple? Some of us were very close to burying that shit in the dark corners of our minds before now. Thank you very much!!! 

Yeah Phyllis isn't really dead and im beyond annoyed at the lazy attempt to get my hopes up. But this hopefully means she won't be on the show for a while. Too bad the cost of that is this bullshit contrived fallout, complete with crap detective work. Can't wait to see Chance & GCPD crack this one 🙃

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Steven is dragging Ridge to set up Ridge's gotcha moment in regards to helping take down Sheila. Ridge will be a hero & Steven will look like the big meanie that talked bad about king waffle. Yeah great job Bradley & co. that's what this stupid, contrived SL needs to be topped off with. Some good Ole forced Ridge praise...

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On 3/31/2023 at 11:55 PM, Peppermint Patty said:

A 20-year-old man would have a hard time mustering up interest in a full-blooded sibling from happily married parents. But this obsession with his gf’s child with his father is ridiculous. A more realistic reaction would be that he is so disgusted and angry that he wants nothing to do with any of them - including Ace. 

This is actually the primary reason I can hardly take Spencer's characterization too seriously here. Aside from obvious Esme propping & Sprina roadblocking. Spencer's obsession with his newborn brother is just so...unsoapy on top of being unrealistic. 

Like if they wanted him to to go the loving, altruistic route & not resent Ace's existence(cos he'd probably get dragged for that too), but still retain anger at Esme/Nikolas for their betrayal. That's okay, but if the writing hadn't passed that line before, it certainly has now.

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On 3/31/2023 at 12:55 PM, statsgirl said:

I got an email asking me to sign a petition to end the Willow Project and I was all "Yes!". To my dismay, it's not about the show but a developmental project.

I got my hopes up so high just reading the 1st part of this! 😂😭😭

On 3/31/2023 at 2:07 PM, CeChase said:

On 3/31/2023 at 1:14 PM, jsbt said:

Because they know what a large portion of audience response will be.

Furthermore, Trina and to a lesser extent the young adult Spencer were initially crafted to play the subordinate 'non-white friends' to Joss and [White Guy X]. This is the same model Frank had for the teen scene at OLTL, which he religiously believed in and kept those characters to B-story at best as the handmaidens or comfort characters of their frontburner white friends. This has changed for Chavez's Spencer, obviously (I think if Chavez hadn't hit as big as he had we'd see more of it despite the stalker storyline) but Trina is still often kept in that frame where Joss' primacy on the show is concerned: The eternally supportive, often Joss-focused Best Friend. This was the case for both the major popular actors in that role; it is not a new development with the recast.

We'll see if that changes as advertised during the anniversary and sweeps and if Spencer and Trina's story isn't all about someone else's baby. I'm keeping my cards to my chest.

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OH I agree, they won't dare show Trina telling Joss what's what because the facebook frannies would EXPLODE

That's a good point, I was thinking Trina could gently but sternly correct Joss & it be mostly be okay but that's just a pipe dream. To some viewers, nothing would be good enough. 

Didn't Spencer already ask Sonny instead of Victor for help? Why didn't the writers stick with that? Is Sonny helping Anna & Val's dumb master plan that important? Spencer is playing with fire in more ways than he knows and only now are Val & Sonny talking about getting him out of Victor's orbit. 

I would honestly probably be more on board with poor Esme if she stopped saying crap like "If the allegations are true." Umm, If Esme? No. Didn't Cam just tell her a week ago that just because she doesn't remember her shit stinking doesn't meant eveyone else forgot? In one ear & out the other I see. Tbh I felt sorrier for her when Nikolas held her captive and still obviously her hellraising self. 

It was great to see Ava catch her slipping a little and put her on notice. Not that I think Esme is faking, but amnesia!Esme is quite emotionally manipulative at the very least. 

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On 3/31/2023 at 12:03 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Probably so when people start getting arrested, the newly married co-conspirators can't be compelled to testify against each other. Christine recently mentioned she might be headed back to the District Attorney's office so there's likely a big trial coming.

Makes sense, too much sense for this contrived mess actually. Cos if Phyllis fakes her death, goes missing, or somehow really dies(pls), then he's just a "widow" who can't testify against him(& vice versa) anyway. 

Okay I take it back, Ashley & Tucker can get married for whatever reason and it'd still be great. ED & TSJ are pretty much the only spark of the show. Both as couple & individuals. Tucker better watch it with Audra though, she'll probably use the fact that they slept together or him getting JT for her, against him just as he makes further inroads with Ashley. 

Maybe I missed something but why doesn't Ashley just keep Tucker's company for herself and continue to tell Victoria and Grampire to go fuck themselves? So Tucker can prove himself trustworthy? How does that help? Devon would likely be more accommodating to the Newmans persuasions (or attacks)than Ashley would. Considering he just asked a Newman to move in with him. 

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The show seems afraid to Trina & Joss at odds or disagree on big things(To an extent, I can understand why). But notice how Cam calls Spencer out & can still love/support him or better yet Cameron holds Spencer's feet to the fire because he cares for Spencer. Meanwhile Joss & Trina? None of that. I don't  think the writers realize that makes their friendship look somewhat shallow & dull. 

If Joss stopped getting her mistakes swept under the rug so much, & not be a Carly clone, I can't speak for everyone, but my dislike of her would probably decrease.  

1 hour ago, ffwbe said:

I think Spencer is supposed to fill that role and that’s why she’s particularly nasty towards him while simultaneously claiming that he should be on her side because they’re “friends” 

I think that was supposed to be his role too, but Joss is much better at being selfish & spoiled than he is. His forced antagonization regarding Esme not withstanding. And even then, depending on what side of the fence you're on, that's more or less justified anyway. 

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11 hours ago, slayer2 said:

I have a bit of empathy for Joss with that sex crime. The writers are really underplaying how violating and illegal that was

I agree & I do have empathy for her in that regard too, but that is about as far as it goes for now. She cheated on Cam & despite not being dragged or shunned for it the show still lets her play revisionist history about it. Her delusional need to keep her sleeping with boring ass Dex a secret doesn't help her case either. Literally no one cares. lmao Everyone that has found out so far has done nothing. The fact that she convinces herself that her relationship is an important secret is astounding... Until I remember who she's related to. 

Also her Sonny hate boner being rooted in anything that doesn't involve how he used to shit on Jax, before, and after she was born, is dumb as hell to me. As perfectly stated here once before, her & Michael seem to hate Sonny because he stopped kissing Carly's ass. That's just so basic & pathetic. 

It was nice to see Jake & Aidan, the group hug between them was touching. Hopefully its not too long before we see Cam again. I'm sure this has been said alot but GH is really great at casting its youth cast(save for Dex). Probably, the best out of all 4 Soaps left. 

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9 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

13 hours ago, Julyolo said:

ETA* Many thanks to all who wished me well & a speedy recovery!

I wish you well, too! Shingles, and the domino effect it had in my life, ruined my health and my life.

I'm sorry you both are going through that & wishing you both the best and good health! 🙌

14 hours ago, MollyB said:

Did anyone else interpret Kyle's look at Audra as leering?  He seemed to me to be feasting his eyes on her, even after his wife showed up. This could be fun.

Well Audra is pretty much being set up to be the  messy, soapy, resident homewrecker for the time being. These one off cheating situations that get swept under rug 2 weeks later is not cutting it. I think Y&R is overdue for that too(since the show can't seem to get much else right). As long she doesn't actually catch feelings for Kyle's lame ass I'm cool with it.

13 hours ago, TVForever said:

So, what, Amanda has been off in Virginia stewing all this time, just waiting for an opportunity to come back and play the wronged woman, hissing at Devon and Abby at every opportunity? Does anyone still care? Anyone?

Mishael Morgan being on reoccurring status probably has alot to do with it. Things are going to happen seemingly late where her character is concerned. Part of me wishes she'd stay, but the show is so lackluster she's better off where she is. Especially if they're just gonna use her to make Devon & Abby look put upon or underutilize her otherwise.

I don't think she was that bad either, I was expecting her to have gone off the whole time. It seemed to be wrapped up quick enough. 

Phyllis what exactly have you lost? You're still alive(unfortunately). No one hates you as much as they could all things considered, and your children only distance themselves from you because you emotionally abuse them & steamroll them about your tired ass beef with Diane or whatever else made you feel small that day. She probably poisoned herself or got Jeremy to do it to make them feel shitty for cutting her off.

I honestly don't see what her being married to Jeremy is supposed to accomplish. I don't think the writer(s) know either. It was a good enough twist though. 

I know I'm rooting for Tucker & Ashley(I haven't learned my lesson after Ally)...but seriously? A marriage proposal just to "shock" Jack out his dumb decision? That's kinda sad. 

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21 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Ashley and Audra hadn't met before?

Eh I feel like there is alot of people in GC she hasn't met yet. She's still relatively new and they can only pointlessly shove her in so many places or Storylines while the writers(oopps i meant Josh Griffith) figure out what to do with her & juggle other characters/SL. She got lucky that Kyle's phone was at the bar so she'd have an excuse to approach Ashley & Kyle in the first place. Otherwise there's no real reason for her to be in their orbit as of yet, considering she's a Newman employee. 

19 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Nina isn’t remotely comparable to Scabby, IMO. She was a teenager, as were Phillip III and Bug, who were dating, not married. Scabby has a history of going after married/otherwise attached men (Austin, Scott, and Devon) as a fully grown-ass woman and was married herself with her most recent affair. Plus, Nina’s tryst with Phillip produced the fine as hell Chance and who can fault her for that?

Okay thanks for clearing that up some & dragging Christine in the process! Stfu about Nina Christine!  

Jack's speech felt like it lasted longer than Y&R has itself. What little fun this Gala was died when Jack started talking. Sorry Jack, but no one cares about your ill-fated relationship with Diane. I think it's kind of funny & tragic that Jack's relationship with Phyllis has set the bar practically in hell but Diane can barely mange to clear it. Like...how can you suck that much??? Diane's return is such a bust if she had finished choking Phyllis out I might feel differently. 

The show needs to stop teasing Sally & Adam being true love, because that just highlights how forced Sally/Nick is. But maybe that's the point. It's nothing short of a gross, cringeworthy, revenge pairing and TIIC is going to continue shoving it down our throats anyway. 😒

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4 minutes ago, boes said:

Most overhyped moment at the gala - the "we've seen this already, and better" moments between Diane and Phyllis. 

Wait a second? There was actual hype for those boring ass scenes?????🤣🤣🤣 I completely agree that both actresses did a better version of this over 20 years ago, this is just too played out, especially if Phyllis looks like a victim. "Why aren't you dead?" I ask myself that just about every time I look at you Phylty 🙃

11 minutes ago, boes said:

Most disappointing thing from the gala so far - Chelsea running out the front door of the GCAC when she was being grilled by Leanna Love instead of heading straight for the elevators and punching "Roof".  (You CAN fly, Chelsea, just like Tinkerbell!  Give it a try!)  Too insensitive?  Too soon?

Nope. Fuck Chelsea. 

I'm glad Nina got to go at Abby, I've seen old clips of Nina going toe to toe with Jill back in the day ,and imo she held back.

Christine kinda ruined it with bringing up Nina's past with Chance's father. Not necessarily cos Nina shouldn't reflect but I just feel like it made a big plothole much more obvious. Because how does Nina breaking up Christine & Phillip III work with Chance unSORAed? Wouldn't the timelines be different? Wasn't Chance originally born years before Billy and hadn't Phillip been killed off by that time too? Oh well, I'm probably thinking much harder about this than Josh Griffith did. 

Lily & Devon's resolution just seems like a rinse repeat of everything the characters have done since Hillary was killed. They never stay at least frosty with each other despite having good reasons. There are no real stakes when it comes to them because they'll always quickly make up. Or if Neil's memory is what's at stake, then why have them fight at all? I could understand if it was good soap drama, but it's not, at least not to me. 

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1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Allie Nguyen & Noah Newman(too absent and too boring while Tessa & Mariah are absent as well, they didn't bore me most of the time)   or
Mariah Copeland & Tessa Porter

Diane Jenkins & Jack Abbott (I will reiterate that I think Jack's character fucking sucks when he's with Diane)  or
Chloe Mitchell & Kevin Fisher

Sally Spectra & Adam Newman   or
Sharon Newman & Nick Newman(Run Sharon! Now's your chance!) 

Lauren Fenmore & Michael Baldwin   or
Ashley Abbott & Tucker McCall(With Ally in ruins this is the only intresting pairing left) 

 

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On 3/23/2023 at 12:26 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Allie Nguyen & Noah Newman or
Victoria Newman & Tucker McCall(Come on, Tucker deserves better) 

Lily Winters & Daniel Romalotti(They're both kind of annoying, Lily moreso) or
Mariah Copeland & Tessa Porter

Diane Jenkins & Jack Abbott(Jally had potential before it was stupidly ruined, plus Jack has been nearly insufferable since he got with Diane) or
Sally Spectra & Jack Abbott

Chloe Mitchell & Kevin Fisher or
Sharon Newman & Chance Chancellor(no hate for Sharon but Chance can do better, but it might piss Abby off so eh...)  

Diane Jenkins & Jeremy Stark(never cared and never will, even if Ally is tainted it's still better than most parings on this show) or
Sally Spectra & Adam Newman

Audra Charles & Tucker McCall(I'm sorry Sharon :(, but once again....Tucker deserves better 😂)  or
Sharon Newman & Nick Newman

Lauren Fenmore & Michael Baldwin or
Phyllis Summers & Jeremy Stark(I really don't care about them lol, only if Jeremey was heroic crazy enought to kill her or put her in an another coma, then I might)

Ashley Abbott & Tucker McCall(Eileen Davidson & TSJ are amazing! They make Ashley & Tucker fun & rootable imo) or
Summer Newman & Kyle Abbott

 

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Victoria should wear her hair wavy more often. I think that's the best I've seen her look since AH took over this role. 

So far this Gala feels like a Newman ass kissing fest with some Neil worship sprinkled in. That's been the overall theme of the show for a long time now. The only difference between the Gala & any given Tuesday or Wednesday episode are the masks & the ball attire. Here's hoping things will pick up on Monday(who am I kidding?). It'll still be nice to see Chance, Nina, and Esther. 

This is random but the more I think of it, the more Chance & Elena seem like a good idea after all. If only because all other alternatives, besides them both being single, just suck that badly. If Victoria & Audra have their way Elena will be free soon enough. And good for Elena. Those two are far more deserving of Nate than she is.

Speaking of which, I think Elena is the best dressed thus far. 💯

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9 hours ago, slayer2 said:

Laura has gone the complete opposite way and is acting like Esme is Lulu or something. It's insane.

I had little hope when she told Esme that Spncer has very good reasons not to trust her, only to continue coddling her. Also Spencer being annoyingly obsessed with his brother is a byproduct of the show's(& a particular audience's) baby obsession. They're just wasting him on Esme & her drama to keep him & Trina from progressing. I have little to no feelings about his poor choices & mismanagement, cos its just a way to keep him busy and make him look like a drama king/Esme look better. 

With that said, if Spencer needs to dial it back then so does Laura because so far her methods haven't proven any better as Esme was about to take her money, & her new grandson and skip town. Can't blame Spencer either, he had been left to pick up Trina and had apologized to Esme & Laura for Victor's rudeness. 

Also what is shoving Cameron & Esme together, who's been through enough thanks to Esme, supposed to do? Other than possibly ruin Cam's character & piss off Joss? Like....Joss & her Teflon coated mother have gotten on my last nerve too, but I'm afraid my standards for her comeuppance are higher than Esme. She got the ball rolling for sure. Now, the writers need to find a way to make Joss suffer consequences for being a clone of her shitty mother, that doesn't involve Esme being coated in Teflon too. 

AP is a good actress but her character is kinda meh for me. At the rate she's going, she is gonna be another Carly someday, just on the other side of the tracks.(shit maybe that's the plan 😂, fight fire with fire if so yikes....) Spencer is being made to look like an irrational jackass like Elizabeth/Monica/Robin etc.(& nowadays Nina) were made to look like whenever they spurned Carly. At least SJB & TB did more to make Carly look/feel human & fleshed out than AP is doing with Esme imo. Not to knock her talent because the writing has certainly decreased drastically in quality since TB's Carly, & im sure she's doing her best with what's she's given but still...

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On 3/21/2023 at 5:11 PM, pvandal said:

I know Audra isn't totally liked here, but I love that she appears to be a sh*t stirrer. GC needs one of those.

Agreed, but she's so transparent it's hard for me to believe that people are naturally taken in by her. Most soap bad girls that come into town have at least one quality that they can tap into that makes them inconspicuous. At least to their targets. Audra seems to lack that & the "business talk" the writers give her, makes her so boring. The actress isn't particularly dynamic either, but she's gotten somewhat better. 

Lily's merger was always dumb & im glad it's being dissloved(or it almost was) but Devon is not getting an ounce of sympathy or deference from me as far as Amanda is concerned. She agreed to be in a relationship with him she didn't cosign to be cheated on...twice...Lol he earned every nasty look & dig she threw at his ass fair and square. It's basic soap protocol after a character gets cheated on, & the SL/optics was bad enough that all Amanda has is her righteous indignation(glad TIIC aren't playing this up too much though). Its not like he'll reflect on anything she said to him anyways. Abby will likely pat him on the back while secretly hoping its never gonna be her turn for him to burn her.

Mamie was before my time so I'm happy to see vintage Y&R through her perspective. Although I disagree with her saying that Billy has John's eyes. I don't recall John having beady voids for eyes but idk John Abbott's best days were before my time too. 

Phyllis doesn't even make me mad so much as she makes me exhausted. Just from watching her tantrum. I don't even like Diane but there is no way I can see anything from Phylty's pov. Probably because Phyllis is a nut job who won't mind her business. When all is said & done, if she doesn't end up in a straight jacket at the very least, then her involvement with Stark will have been a waste of screentime. 

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2 hours ago, jqdeco said:

Apparently SoapHub feels the same about Carly as the rest of us.

https://soaphub.com/general-hospital/commentary-gh/gh-has-a-carly-spencer-problem-it-doesnt-know-how-to-fix/

 

 

I hope I'm not too late to warn anyone away from the comment section of this article. Because Jesus Christ......that place might actually be a bigger mess than stan Twitter 💀💀

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15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Chase being so magnanimous to Michael and Willow even though they did shitty things to him

 

15 hours ago, ffwbe said:

I don’t get what they’re doing with Chase/BL. They’ve already been broken up longer than they’ve been together and are still acting like awkward teens who’ve never dated before whenever they run into each other. I don’t know what everyone thought about them but for me, they were never this pairing that had insane chemistry. They were at best, middle of the road, kind of cute but unobjectionable, so they don’t have what it takes to survive this kind of writing. I don’t see a reason that they’re even into each other other than there’s no other options for them on the canvas

Their prolonged separation is even stupider when you factor in that he's more than cordial with his cheating ex-wife AND the dude she cheated with. But he can't get past BLQ lying because it hurt THAT much? Give me a break...🙄

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13 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Paris might be the only character more hated by fans than Hope. It's Sunday so I'll save my peace on why

Oh well that explains alot...even with that, Taris has got to be the lesser of 2 evils to at least some viewers, besides us of course. 

I find Paris annoying(a common problem with B&B characters) but that's not horrible or unforgivable. Especially when other characters commit actual crimes or purposefully antagonizes/interferes in the lives of others to achieve a lame agenda. Though I can tell that TPTB don't really know what to do with her aside from just randomly interact with the cast. 

They might be saving her for R.J but that will only work if R.J & Thomas get along, or Paris stops being in Thomas's corner so much. I don't see either happening. One of the love triangles I'm really afraid of is R.J/Paris/Thomas (course R.J/Paris/Zende is just as bad). But with Paris hate in mind, TIIC might not put her in a dumb love triangle, it'll make things worse. At least I wouldn't do it if I were them. 

9 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I loved them so much. 

They were definitely one of the few peaks the show had in the late 2010s. I was rooting for them too. Unpopular opinion: The actor, his name escapes me, who played Thomas during this era was really underrated imo I think I might like him more than the actor playing him now. But he was also written differently(as in better), so it could be that. His chemistry with Sally surpasses any chemistry she's had with anyone in Genoa City. Even Adam which is saying alot. 

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On 3/17/2023 at 1:51 PM, KerleyQ said:

Oh, I do not like next week's spoilers at all. Specifically, we have, on Tuesday: 

And, on Friday: 

JFC what an idiot....I know she is(and everyone else save for Liam)being written like shit right now to make this happen and all but good grief...

And her "attraction" to him is forced as hell(mentioned on the main thread, Paris had to weirdly drag/pester it out Hope one random day). There wasn't even any build up to that unless TIIC count one-sided obsession & Thomas fantasies as development. A small part of me is kind of laughing because no one in this fanbase is truly buying this horseshit.

On 3/17/2023 at 10:47 PM, Anna Yolei said:

Even more bizarrely is how Thomas' fans arent crazy for Thope either because many of them hate Hope and think he deserves anyone else.

Yeah I thought about this too & maybe TPTB is trying to get Hope less hate by throwing her on top of Thomas? I have no clue, but that's a futile battle imo they're just giving them more ammo. But looks like even that bonus isn't even enough for them to be on board(thankfully) with this trash paring. Goes to show how off base & out of touch Bradley & co. really are. 

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Characters like Esme don't usually don't bother me until they start disrupting the flow(what little Soaps can achieve today) of the narrative. GH has executed the bad girl shit-stirrer trope pretty well many times before. Yet somehow, Esme simultaneously feels like a hit and a miss.

A hit, cos she does provide good foil for her generation of protagonists, and without a great foil, they would be woefully boring. She's definitely a hit for anyone who hates Joss(a category I fall into on occasion). A miss cos too many variables are needed to make her redemption(or her just skating by) realistic.

She needs a baby, she needs Nik to be a colossal scumbag, she needs Laura to sympathize with her, she needs Liz to feel bad enough to come clean & level with her, she needs to have been manipulated Ryan, she needs Trina/Joss away doing other pointless crap so that neither is available to give her the dragging(Trina has earned this more than Joss actually) she deserves, woe as me amnesia be damned. Oh! And she needs to have amnesia! Like...if Esme is all that as character, why does she need the story to bend like this to prove it to us? Redemption or not. The writers are indulging her too much it's doing her more harm than good. And I like to think I'm fairly neutral on Esme. I can truly see the appeal in her getting redemption, or comeuppance. With that said, the more the show leans into super lazy redemption arc the more I'm inclined to lean towards comeuppance. 

Idk but giving Esme the bare minimum at a time like this would show what she's really made of imo. At least from here on out. Can she really change or not? Is she truly a product of Ryan's mind fuck or not? It's like the writers are scared to ask & answer these questions definitively.

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On 2/17/2023 at 11:13 AM, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm pretty much sitting on my hands for this discussion. However, I will note that as far as potential pairings are concerned, the writers sometimes have to work around limitations imposed by the actors themselves. Some actors won't "allow" their characters to be put in interracial romances. One actor in particular has all but bragged about it and the character they play has never had a non-White partner.

Very true, I thought of that, and I avoided bringing that up on purpose. Because I could go on & on about how ridiculous & cowardly I find that to be. 

It was very amusing to see how much Kyle fails at trying to spar with someone smarter than him. He really takes after his uncle. His little "I'm not you" line was so woefully ignorant in the face of what Adam was trying to tell him about working with Victor. But fuck him, let Kyle learn that the hard way(again). 

Unless Adam or maybe Ashley, bought Tucker's company I'm already uninterested in who attained it. 

The writers are so unimaginative... seriously ButtBiscuit in corporate again? Aren't they privy to the budget cuts? They have to be if they're pointlessly shoving every character in the business direction because I assume those are the main sets the show can afford. But if that's the case, why do they purposefully write Nostrils as someone who is not only dissatisfied with corporate jobs but is grossly incompetent at them as well? If they're just gonna push him back in that direction anyway, why the whiplash? 

Is it bad that I kinda want Adam to lose the paternity sweepstakes this time? :/ Sally got on my nerves a few too many times during her transition from Adam to Nick & the months following. It sucks cos I know the writers ruined her character just so Nick would have something(one) to do. But that doesn't wipe the slate clean enough for me. How do the writers plan to bring her back from this? I'm sure they don't plan to, but just hypothetically speaking. I'm not into the idea of Adam being sold as a biggger mess than Nick, so him & super messy Sally are perfect for each other anyway. That just makes Nick look like some hapless victim. 

I also don't want Adam to take Sally back without some repentance on her part. Adam has his own faults but they are usually multiplied or become more intense when his family starts fucking with him. That's the part Sally never seemed to fully understand & if she had, I might still like her as much as I did a year ago. 

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23 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

On 2/18/2023 at 8:35 AM, RuntheTable said:

I'm not really upset with Steffy, this is not something she instigated, and I find her in a tough position.  But what I like most of all is she is not going to let Thomas steamroll his way back into Douglas's life. That shows me that her concern is Douglas, and not sticking it to Hope.

All of this. Steffy was as blindsided as everyone else and seems to want to do right by the kid. From a writing viewpoint I absolutely loathed that Hope is once again on the losing end but this isn't something Steffy herself orchestrated for once and she isn't going to let her sick brother run ramshot over them.

Agreed, even though I had my reservations at first, she's handling this pretty well so far. I truly felt for her when Thomas was whining at her. Steffy and Finn really have their work cut out for them in protecting the children from the 2 lunatics at large though. Worse case scenario is that Kelly could become collateral damage for either Thomas or Sheila (or both) to get to Douglas/Hayes. 

I'm here for Finn & Thomas's being enemies. I just hope the Sinn marriage can withstand whatever strian he brings, because last thing I think anyone wants is another round of steamless. Thope? Double negative. 

I'm just going with the flow as far Braylor is concerned. They're better off friends(or lovers 👀) than rivals. 

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16 hours ago, Julyolo said:

I am picking up on a strange undercurrent in the narratives of cheating with both Nate and Devon. Both men have impulsively fallen in lust with two white women, whose only accomplishments are derivative of their "Big Daddy" Victor Newman. The women of color they betrayed, Amanda and Elena, are much more educated and accomplished, both having earned advanced degrees as a MD, and an attorney. I am feeling mighty uncomfortable with the message the MWT's are sending here. It marks Devon as impulsive and immature. Nate? Once a man dedicated to being a compassionate professional, now a craven opportunist, who is bordering on sociopathy. The theme surrounding both Elena and Amanda is that since they weren't available to inflate the egos of these "man boys"  on a daily basis, they ended up getting shafted. Just saying (in my own clumsy way) that I find these two storylines very disrespectful in multiple ways. 

 

Julyolo you have become one of my favorite people this year for pointing this out. 

I will say that as for Devon, his character is a cheater. He cheated on Amanda with Elena like twice for no reason(Nate cheated on her with Elena too, Amanda stays getting done dirty smh...) and Devon slept with Hillary while she was married to Neil. Cheating/homewrecking seems like an in character thing for him at this point, he's just like Nick in that regard. He'll cheat on Abby eventually(although if he doesn't, that will certainly present a new side to this brillant point). 

Since the recast, Nate has gone from boring to really boring to totally fucking boring to sumg  boring asshole. And his asshole behavior is one of the reasons I've hit the reset button on Elena, she deserves better than Nate just like Amanda deserved better than Devon. But it's just so hilarious that they're forcing Victoria & him together after all this time when the OG Nate already had a Chem test with her and Ashley if memory serves. They both passed ironically enough, more so with Ashley though. But they were subsequently dropped for reasons that escape me now. This Nate has had no chemistry with anyone since he's been on the show. 

Regardless of any of this the optics are trash, disrespectful, and they get even worse when you factor in the reverse would never happen. Even if they did they wouldn't dare go about it in this manner. In speaking of the reverse, we must live in the bad timeline because how the hell did we become saddled with the unending staleness of Lily/Billy instead of something that had real potential to be something great like Jack x Hillary/Amanda? Lily/Billy was such a waste of time because honestly Billy would be a waste on anyone. I have more salt than the 7 seas combined that the TPTB teased Jack & Hillary but didn't have the stones to follow through. They would've been much better in the long run than what has been done with Jack since then & unlike Billy, he isn't some petulant man brat with a chip on his shoulder. 

And don't get me started on Chance and Adam. Both of them could move on with Lily or Amanda (if MM ever comes back full time) or Elena too. But as history indicates they'll all be wasted on lackluster  parings/characters instead.