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Yeah pretty much. But even still this feels like more than the writers propping Steffy and Ridge because well......they always do that don't they? Ridge gets to play victim, run to Taylor (who also gets whitewashed), Steffys contant rants about and to Brooke but no one checks her given her own history, her husband never takes her to task about anything, and her father has been caving to the idea that in order to be a good parent, he has to stand by every (bad) decision she makes for years now. But Katie & Brooke stupidly firing Electra over something she doesn't know about or have any control over feels so I don't know.....quick and dirty(not to mention obvious)even for B&B standards. Maybe it's because the show is making light of a serious issue just to push more Logan vs. Forrester shit. And I guess Thomas assaulting Caroline 2.0 was about ruining his character to make hers look better too? Thomas was crazy even when the writing was good(good compared to now at least) so that excuse doesn't wash for someone like Thomas. Even if he gets new characterization every other recast. They'd be slightly better off saying Steffy was ruined to give Hope a rival because Steffy actually used to love Brooke, and had got to a good place with her after she slept with Bill before AN's Hope came back. Unfortunately I have to disagree here. Hardcore Logan unsympathizers will love every bit of this and are probably dancing around the fire on Twitter, FB, YouTube, and probably Reddit as we speak. "EvErYoNe hAtEd StEfFy FoR fIrInG HOpe, WeLl WhO's tHe HyPoCriTe now1!" and so on..... Yeah they're gonna have a field day with this one terrible writing be damned😭😭😭

Okay and? What does Electra know besides her own, very limited, experience? She's been here for all of 10 seconds, and in those 10 seconds, hasn't done anything to offend Steffy's fragile ego. Not yet anyway. Steffy being nice only to her means nothing if she's shitty to other employees. One of them being Ivy, her own aunt. Of course no one has anything to say about that. It might implicate Steffy as the main problem since Ivy can't be dismissed as some slutty Logan out to get her and her family. This storyline makes everyone look bad, but no one is worse than Ridge. He calls Hope a slut? Ignoring the fact that he raised her, and how shitty that is. Dude....Ridge....do you know who your daughter is and where she's been? Scratch that. Do you know who you are Ridge??? And where your disgusting womanizing, 2 time rapist, serial cheating, lying, gaslighting, manipulative ass has been? Ridge is worse character on the show which is no small feat with Steffy and Taylor on the canvas. Funny he says that because the only reason Bridget was rectonned away from Ridge was because HTylo wanted her character to be the only one with all of Ridge's kids, and for whatever reason the writers buckled. Hardly what I'd call fair. Also, to be honest, Taylor only having having Ridge's kids has made her character stagnant, she's not better for it imo. But the same writing that allowed that Taylor/HTylo that "luxury" is the same writing responsible for her descent, and stagnation. So I guess it comes full circle.

At the risk of sounding like a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, I'm sure that's what the writers wanted. As much as we(rightfully) rag on them for being incompetent they're not totally brainless. They lurk everywhere. That might be why they hurried up Hope's relationship with Carter so her body count would go up, because we were pointing out how stupid it was for Steffy to call Hope Brooke Logan 2.0 when she had only slept with 2-3 guys in her entire life...(She still hasn't caught up to her mom btw Bradley & Co. or even steffy for that matter lmao) Hope is worse than Steffy in this situation, and it is not an accident imo. It is meant to hem up anyone still trying to defend her. Now we're supposed to look like crazy assholes for doing so, while also ignoring that Steffy has been able to grow an entire navy on twitter, facebook, and SoapSheKnows despite being an unapologetic, instigating, problematic hellspawn for fifteen, going on sixteen years. It's not fair, but it is what it is. I saw this coming when Steffy made Hope work with Thomas after CPSgate, and instead of taking all the ammunition she already had to court, she caved. Now the Forresters unfortunately have the same kind of ammo on her. And that is what this whole SL was about imo. Now Hope gets to "win" but her winning makes her look villainous and shitty. Her win is also ineffectual. She's still as powerless as she ever was. Notice how Steffy is still getting the last word, barged into Hope's home last week and to top it all off she shoulder checked Hope, and Hope didn't beat her ass or even smack her? Come on Bradley, if you're gonna turn Hope into the bad girl go hard or go the fuck home. Make it worthwhile.

And What has Eric, Ridge, and Steffy done for him lately that would warrant his trust or loyalty to them??? Even with Hope & Carter coming out of this shiesty, they've never directly fucked him over* before. This is giving plot driven bullshit like no tomorrow. I know it's the writing & not the character so much, but I don't think I'll be able to bring myself to feel sorry for him when control inevitably goes back to Brad's favorite Forresters & Zende is shoved aside again for one of Ridge's kids. *The only thing I can think of is that Zende is still salty over Paris leaving him for Carter that time, and he doesn't mind Hope per se, but Carter specifically is what turns him off. That's fine then I guess...but still at most, he should only be mildly conflicted about staying.

Lol as if innocent, virgin Claire would know better. Kyle sucks in bed, that's why his most "successful" parings are with virgins. But seriously am I the only one that's noticed that Kyle can't maintain a decent relationship with women who have had experience with other partners? It's always some lovesick, clueless puppy that Kyle mostly stands a chance with. I don't think even his uncle is that socially/romantically inept. Which is crazy because it's Billy. The all time fuck up. Kyle & Claire are devoid of chemistry I'm convinced that anyone supporting this couple & claim that there are sparks between them must be high on something while watching this dumpster fire show......Just another reason to say no to drugs kids.

They'll probably try to expose her to the public and/or sue her....basically the stuff she herself had every right to do to them before she lip locked with Thomas. But that would've involved Steffy/Ridge losing or at least taking a semi critical hit so naturally....Hope kissing Thomas it is 🙄🙄 Either that or Steffy will get to win whatever fight/slapfest happens. Steffy was able to smack/punch someone like Sheila around with little consequence...I can only imagine what Bradley will let her do to Hope, who knows karate btw, so there's no way a fight between those two is going end how it realistically should....

Not surprised. I said last year that the only reason Zende's jealous hater self even had "fans" was because he only had smoke for Brooke's son with Ridge and not the anointed Tridge children for being a nepo baby. Then a few people practically tripped over themselves to say how Thomas & Steffy aren't really nepo babies. As much as I stood, and was going to continue to stand on that statement even without this turn of events, it's nice to be proven right by people who claim to only deal in canon facts. This a million times. What's even more hilarious is that by default they aren't consistent about why they think Steffy is so great either. One minute she's a badass who owns her behavior and other times she's a put-upon delicate being that has only just learned to stand up for herself and has no bad behavior, past or present, to own up to. But to be fair, that's more or less how Steffy acts/is written so naturally if one insists on stanning her or being even the least bit partial to her, having flexible ideals & pet peeves is part of the package. Speaking of which, where were all the people that were upset over some of us calling Steffy a bitch when Setffy called Hope a bitch, among other names? 🤔 Just curious. 🙂

Yes, but then that would've involved dragging up Steffy berating of Hope and Brooke over the last two and a half years and possibly even her prior shenanigans prior to the 2020s and bringing up her frequent personal/emotional decision making concerning Thomas. Speaking of which, there's Thomas' treatment of Brooke & Hope, some of which was criminal as well. All of which I'm sure is on camera too... So between that and having Carter and Hope look like dumb criminals with this LLC thing, I humbly ask, which scenario do you think would be more appealing to the average Steffy/Thomas/Tridge fan? If Hope didn't have grounds for wrongful termination, fine. But she sure as shit had one for hostile work environment. Hell, I said that back in 2022-23 when at the height of Steffy's "Brooke-Logan ain't shit & my mother is better for Ridge" tirades(most of them at their workplace and to their faces). And again, when Steffy was complaining that Hope wasn't cooperating enough with Thomas and/or threatened to cut her line for not wanting to work with him initially. Steffy would have a helluva time explaining to a judge(well maybe not a BellLA judge) why she threatened Hope into working with someone who she knew tried to trade sex with her for custody of his son, and had tried to kidnap her after she discovered her child was alive(no thanks to him). Steffy and Ridge would have far more to answer for in court than not. They would not come out of any kind of lawsuit looking morally/ethically correct, professional, and/or fair....Not even compared to the likes of Hope & Carter as they are now.

How many times have we said that Steffy being an asshole isn't the problem but the fact that she never gets adequately checked or faces next to zero consequences for said asshole behavior? Either that doesn't sink in for some reason despite being written in English or some people actually believe that Steffy is right 100% of the time and doesn't deserve the energy she puts out. Which to that I say is a personal problem. The show trying to appease a subset of twitter stans is exactly why it sucks.

Not gonna lie but....B&B is arguably worse than Y&R depending on the day....So I won't get my hopes completely up but at the same time I won't dismiss him since as mentioned already, he was around for the heydays and oversaw some good content for Y&R. It's more likely that the state of B&B can be blamed on that incest enthusiast in charge there. Scott could've just been along for the ride. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to save Y&R from Josh Griffith though.

Lmao...I don't even think Steffy would survive a sunday stroll in some random trailer park down south....let alone the harsh streets of L.A. The more the show keeps trying to sell Steffy as some tough as nails, half a step away from gangster or some shit the more I'm inclined to believe that she's actually a weakling who gets lucky. That might be the single most infuriating thing about her character. Maybe even more infuriating than her mean girl attitude & blatant hypocrisy. Because depending on what the plot needs she's either a badass or a victim. She's hardcore, but she always needs someone in her corner against the Logans or she needs to leave town to get away from her dolt, but all in all loyal husband because he was kissed by someone he doesn't even want. Now to be fair, good, nuanced writing(which the show doesn't have) could tackle the duality of the strong yet vulnerable trope but even still, Steffy would not be ideal character to do that with because she's neither. She has infinite plot armor and/or easy targets. That requires a totally different approach imo. While Katie getting her Nancy Drew on made me cringe I didn't really get mad at her....but her sitting across from the woman that tormented her sister and forced alcohol onto her like every thing is just kosher might've pushed me over the edge. Katie, even if Poppy was guilty her being in jail doesn't suddenly make Sheila Carter...well...not Sheila Carter. The only way this could make sense if it was just the writers way of giving Sheila pointless screen time. But even still Katie shouldn't be that comfortable around that psychopath. Especially given Sheila's own history with Bill. God knows she's gotten her knickers in a twist over less.

They used to a long time ago but they don't anymore. Since Elizabeth Korte(Carly's number 1 fan) is at the helm the scales will likely never be balanced again. But yeah back in the day Robin and Sam read Carly for filth and even put hands on her, Sam more than once. Elizabeth used to give it back Carly as well in her earlier days before they sanitized her character. But Bradley & co. would probably eat glass before allowing Hope to tear Steffy a new asshole this way....So we're stuck with this lame plot of Hope's onsided obsession crush on Finn. That somehow constitutes as "revenge" 🙄 Can Luna kill Liam next? I will stan her forever if she does! 😊

One thing I noted last week was that Taylor broke her own record of being full of fucking shit. When has she ever thought of Hope as "the good Logan" didn't she screech at her when she was very pregnant with Beth? Didn't she piss and moan that Hope "used virtues" to seduce Liam from Steffy? God I hate this character...... I would be happier about Steffy being locked up by psycho leather pants if it meant lasting consequences but as eveyone has already said, it's another way to get us to feel bad for her or vindicate her horrid behavior so I can't bring myself to enjoy the mess she's gotten herself in. With that said, Steffy figuring out that Luna to the extent that she did has plot convenience written all over it. See Phyllis is what Steffy should be Imo(Not that I think Phyllis is the shining example of how to treat a narcissistic villian but anything is better than how Bradley handles Steffy). A town pariah that pisses everyone off with her antics, that she unfortunately might get away with, but at least no one really suffers her bullshit in silence, tolerate? Yes. But do they take her crap lying down? Absolutely not. There is no way Phyllis would be able to go in on Sharon for fucking Nick and getting pregnant with Faith and Sharon just stand there and not bring up Summer's literal existence. That would just not happen. Hell Summer herself called Phyllis out with that very point once before...Sharon didn't even have to interject lol. Even though Y&R is a hot boring mess now it still manages to be ahead of B&B in some aspects.

I admit I'm on the fence in this one instance. It is ludicrous that Brooke is wigging out over a kiss saying that "history is reapting itself" as if she herself was the only perpetrator in TOD vol.1 and Hope has done anything remotely as horrific as Brooke, Taylor, or Steffy has done. But I think she knows that when it comes to Taylor & Steffy she doesn't have to do anything as bad for them to go to war. They're shameless hypocrites who own up to nothing, but will get up in her face over bullshit. So with that in mind, I'm also okay with Brooke not taking Hope's behavior lightly. Regardless of her reasons. It's better than passively or actively cheering her on anyway. Encouraging destructive, shitty behavior in her kids is more Taylor's style of parenting. I say let her have it. Potentially, Brooke's chastisement also comes from a place of fear...fear that Steffy has instilled into her after coming for her neck repeatedly and getting away with it than concern for Hope turning into a fuck up. But on the flipside, there is no real reason for Hope to be giving free ammo(unless it's for revenge after all) to women that actively hate them, want to see them suffer, and have proven capable of making their lives miserable. Unprovoked usually. Brooke is right to assume things will go to pot now that they have been incited. Hope taking responsibility for her actions is not going to matter to the likes of them. Accountabily is not something that computes to Taylor or her daughter anyway.