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How many times have we said that Steffy being an asshole isn't the problem but the fact that she never gets adequately checked or faces next to zero consequences for said asshole behavior? Either that doesn't sink for some reason despite being written in English or some people actually believe that Steffy is right 100% of the time and doesn't deserve the energy she puts out. Which to that I say is a personal problem. The show trying to appease a subset of twitter stans is exactly why it sucks.

Not gonna lie but....B&B is arguably worse than Y&R depending on the day....So I won't get my hopes completely up but at the same time I won't dismiss him since as mentioned already, he was around for the heydays and oversaw some good content for Y&R. It's more likely that the state of B&B can be blamed on that incest enthusiast in charge there. Scott could've just been along for the ride. Only time will tell if he has what it takes to save Y&R from Josh Griffith though.

Lmao...I don't even think Steffy would survive a sunday stroll in some random trailer park down south....let alone the harsh streets of L.A. The more the show keeps trying to sell Steffy as some tough as nails, half a step away from gangster or some shit the more I'm inclined to believe that she's actually a weakling who gets lucky. That might be the single most infuriating thing about her character. Maybe even more infuriating than her mean girl attitude & blatant hypocrisy. Because depending on what the plot needs she's either a badass or a victim. She's hardcore, but she always needs someone in her corner against the Logans or she needs to leave town to get away from her dolt, but all in all loyal husband because he was kissed by someone he doesn't even want. Now to be fair, good, nuanced writing(which the show doesn't have) could tackle the duality of the strong yet vulnerable trope but even still, Steffy would not be ideal character to do that with because she's neither. She has infinite plot armor and/or easy targets. That requires a totally different approach imo. While Katie getting her Nancy Drew on made me cringe I didn't really get mad at her....but her sitting across from the woman that tormented her sister and forced alcohol onto her like every thing is just kosher might've pushed me over the edge. Katie, even if Poppy was guilty her being in jail doesn't suddenly make Sheila Carter...well...not Sheila Carter. The only way this could make sense if it was just the writers way of giving Sheila pointless screen time. But even still Katie shouldn't be that comfortable around that psychopath. Especially given Sheila's own history with Bill. God knows she's gotten her knickers in a twist over less.

They used to a long time ago but they don't anymore. Since Elizabeth Korte(Carly's number 1 fan) is at the helm the scales will likely never be balanced again. But yeah back in the day Robin and Sam read Carly for filth and even put hands on her, Sam more than once. Elizabeth used to give it back Carly as well in her earlier days before they sanitized her character. But Bradley & co. would probably eat glass before allowing Hope to tear Steffy a new asshole this way....So we're stuck with this lame plot of Hope's onsided obsession crush on Finn. That somehow constitutes as "revenge" 🙄 Can Luna kill Liam next? I will stan her forever if she does! 😊

One thing I noted last week was that Taylor broke her own record of being full of fucking shit. When has she ever thought of Hope as "the good Logan" didn't she screech at her when she was very pregnant with Beth? Didn't she piss and moan that Hope "used virtues" to seduce Liam from Steffy? God I hate this character...... I would be happier about Steffy being locked up by psycho leather pants if it meant lasting consequences but as eveyone has already said, it's another way to get us to feel bad for her or vindicate her horrid behavior so I can't bring myself to enjoy the mess she's gotten herself in. With that said, Steffy figuring out that Luna to the extent that she did has plot convenience written all over it. See Phyllis is what Steffy should be Imo(Not that I think Phyllis is the shining example of how to treat a narcissistic villian but anything is better than how Bradley handles Steffy). A town pariah that pisses everyone off with her antics, that she unfortunately might get away with, but at least no one really suffers her bullshit in silence, tolerate? Yes. But do they take her crap lying down? Absolutely not. There is no way Phyllis would be able to go in on Sharon for fucking Nick and getting pregnant with Faith and Sharon just stand there and not bring up Summer's literal existence. That would just not happen. Hell Summer herself called Phyllis out with that very point once before...Sharon didn't even have to interject lol. Even though Y&R is a hot boring mess now it still manages to be ahead of B&B in some aspects.

I admit I'm on the fence in this one instance. It is ludicrous that Brooke is wigging out over a kiss saying that "history is reapting itself" as if she herself was the only perpetrator in TOD vol.1 and Hope has done anything remotely as horrific as Brooke, Taylor, or Steffy has done. But I think she knows that when it comes to Taylor & Steffy she doesn't have to do anything as bad for them to go to war. They're shameless hypocrites who own up to nothing, but will get up in her face over bullshit. So with that in mind, I'm also okay with Brooke not taking Hope's behavior lightly. Regardless of her reasons. It's better than passively or actively cheering her on anyway. Encouraging destructive, shitty behavior in her kids is more Taylor's style of parenting. I say let her have it. Potentially, Brooke's chastisement also comes from a place of fear...fear that Steffy has instilled into her after coming for her neck repeatedly and getting away with it than concern for Hope turning into a fuck up. But on the flipside, there is no real reason for Hope to be giving free ammo(unless it's for revenge after all) to women that actively hate them, want to see them suffer, and have proven capable of making their lives miserable. Unprovoked usually. Brooke is right to assume things will go to pot now that they have been incited. Hope taking responsibility for her actions is not going to matter to the likes of them. Accountabily is not something that computes to Taylor or her daughter anyway.

Agreed. I don't care enough to harass the writers directly either, I think that goes for most people but I seriously don't understand those who do. It's not like they don't stalk all the forums and Twitter anyway. They see what we all say one way or another 😂. What they choose to ignore/listen to is the real question.👀 Also I don't mean to virtue signal, I truly don't, but in a show where we're starting to lose count of how many incestuous relationships have happened, characters of color(not including Li, Poppy, & Luna atm)being sidelined, or mistreated, women being held to outdated 50s standards, while men get away with everything including murder, assault/attempted assault to think that anyone would @ the supervising producer over a mid ass, spoiled, family dollar Regina George not getting her way for a fraction of a second??? Like bruh.....please touch grass. Quickly before summer ends next month. ^^^For real. I was done with them when they were ripping Hope for still crying about Beth's death 2 weeks later....But in all fairness, I'm sure a portion of Steffy/Taylor fans are cool(the few that frequent/lurk here come to mind),and personally I can somewhat agree with them on rare occasions. But still I'd say 60 to 70% of the reason I hate Steffy is because of her non-cool, rabid fans. It's bad enough that the show expects me and tries to gaslight me into liking her in all her repugnant nature, but it's quite another for real people to honestly take offense that some of us don't think that a fictional character's shit smells like a batch of fresh baked cookies. It gives unhealthy parasocial, and chronically online vibes. Then there is their disregard of canon when it suits them and selective moral outrage(I.e The Logans being called 50 types of slut is okay but Steffy being call a spoiled bitch/shrew, or a hypocrite is too harsh). Lol...sure Jan.

Short answer yes, long answer is yes but maybe minus storming CBS offices lol(although can't be too careful). I don't know if size really matters in this case, or if it just matters whose the loudest. However Steffy/Taylor/Marone stans happen to be both numerous and loud. Specifically on twitter. Some fans got pissy when Ridge grew balls for a couple episodes and stopped being passive to Steffy's venomous bullshit. They started tagging the writers/showrunners on Twitter. Here's one I found: Not sure how Finn got "Loganized" but whatever. I'm not gonna get off track. Last time Steffy was dead wrong and got called out for it in the show was Stallion night and her fans were also hot about it. Which is funny because it's not like the show was totally dumping on her the way it did Brooke when she fucked up. Hell Brooke was defending Steffy and told Bill to fuck off and leave Steffy and Liam alone at first(kinda craps on those Brooke is an awful stepmother fantasies doesn't it?) before Brad brought Hope back for round 700 of Hope/Liam/Steffy. Her parents thought she had been raped by Bill. Liam, while mad at her, was still being goaded in her direction/forgiving her by pretty much everybody. And he actually did until Bill interfered. A lot more forgiving to her father fucking ass than he was to Hope over a kiss. If I were a Steam shipper, I might see that as a sign of true love, but thankfully I'm not and I just see it as gross, unchecked hypocrisy. Even when the show framed Steffy as wrong, it would come back 10 seconds later to be like "Nah she's not falliable" and then continue lead with that even when Steffy has done nothing to change her behavior or show remorse. Yesterday's show and likely everyday after is gonna be even worse because once again Steffy is never wrong, a victim once again, and her revisied history(Finn did not pick Sheila over Steffy, didn't she rub the fact that Finn chose her in Sheila's face?)is going to be touted as fact. All the while never telling Finn that Liam kissed her. Although if she had, I highly doubt Finn would react the way she did. I'm just over this lopsided bullshit.

Well I spoke too soon didn't I? Lmao! Good grief Steffy might actually give Sheila a run for her money in the lunatic that hears what she wants to hear department. Or maybe she gets it from her mother. Either way Finn very clearly said Hope kissed him, it wasn't a game of telephone. He just said "Hope kissed me" verbatim. That's it. There is no way Steffy could've gotten that he willingly kissed Hope from that statement unless she has a few screws loose. Even if that sinks in for her today(fat chance) the fact that she went there at all is fucking ridiculous. I actually liked Li having some faith in Poppy while not completely changing her tune about her. A rare sight of nuance in this show. And it likely won't last. I loved RB as Greenlee on AMC but her as Taylor is not it. I can't even blame it on my hatred for the character because Krista Allen was the best Taylor imo as she captured all the things I hated about Taylor while also bringing some quality to the role that HTylo had failed to do since the 90s. She even had great chemistry with Brooke/KKL. I don't understand how or why the showrunners fumbled KA. But if they insist on bringing this character back to blow smoke up her daughter's ass for like the umpteenth time, they should've bent over backwards to get the best person for the job.

True enough, but the difference is that Liam confronted Steffy and dumped her to her face, divorce papers and all before getting back with Hope....while he went full thoughtless, pissant mode when Thomas was kissing the mannequin and just ran right back to Steffy. No confrontation, no papers drawn up or anything. I would care a lot less if Steffy had been less bitchy to him about Sheila (and while she was at it, stopped confronting Sheila every chance she got), minded her business about the Thope relationship, and stopped getting on her soapbox about what a disloyal slut Hope is. Or better yet, I wouldn't care if Finn had a backbone and was equally as toxic to Steffy as she is to him. It wouldn't be healthy but at least she'd be getting out of a relationship exactly what she puts into one. With that said, I don't root for "Hinn" in the slightest and Finn is still preferable to Liam even if it's only because he lacks common sense & self-esteem when it comes to Steffy. Finn did something Liam has almost never done. And that's choose her over Hope. Here's hoping that counts for something in the long run.

They probably won't unless Josh wants Y&R ratings to end up like GH's. Killing a Shick kid would piss too many people off, and it won't have the same impact that Cassie dying had. I don't want anything to happen to faith but at the same time I'm not all that attached to her. Especially since the recast. Another reason killing Faith off would be in poor taste is because it would look like room was made to have Victoria's perfect new daughter get even more screen time. Especially since she's mentally 10 and a virgin. She's not "tainted" like the other grandkids that have grown up. Lucy is Daniel's only kid and I think she has potential to be next gen reoccurring psychopath/villain of the show. Rather than just haphazardly killed off before she get's the chance to do some damage. But I'm assuming the person who writes OCD like it's schizophrenia and corny unbelievable, boring business storylines is capable of doing anything that makes sense. Adam being throughly ruined to prop Victor(and Chelsea) once again is draining to watch. I can't even really be happy that he got the company he started back from the unqualified, shiesty assholes who kept it from him for so long.

I'm not a hardcore fan of Batie or anything but there are pairings on this show I dislike more than those two even with Bill's fucked up track record. I.e Brill, Steam, & Thope. But even I find Katie's heel turn, coupled with very obvious busybody/jealousy behavior to be too damn cringe for words. Katie please back off, you're embarrassing yourself and for what? Bill wasn't exactly the model husband to you. Even if Poppy is a lying scammer you should view that as Bill's problem. Unless Poppy does something to hurt Will you need to mind your business. I can't believe this is supposed to galvanize Batie fans because everything about this is lame as fuck. Even though they've changed the trajectory of Li's character, I still think her and Bill have more potential than whatever the hell they are going for with Bill/Poppy.

Right or wrong, I really think that Bradley & co. go along with whatever makes the masses happy. That's why Hope never gets to clock Steffy because they'd probably get flooded with hatemail or something equally annoying (like they did when Hope got Beth back from Steffy). Brooke, Hope and pretty much every Logan member save for maybe Bridget has had outright vitrolic, misogynistic rhetoric thrown their way. Been called whores, sluts, trash, useless, human mattress and yes, have also been called heifers and bitches too. For years, decades even in Brooke's case. And some of those insults are canonically hurled at them in the show itself. I don't see too much pearl-clutching about that other than the people who are partial to them. That sector doesn't seem to outnumber the ones that hate them(outside this space). Which probably explains why I've never heard "SteffHo" before now...even though I've been in this fanbase since 2010-11ish lol With that said, I don't think it's 100% the same imo. Steffy is not called out relentlessly in the show by characters that are grimier than she is. Just by frustrated viewers that get sick of watching her get away with trashing others while they never say anything back to her. If I liked Steffy, I really wouldn't care what other viewers said about her when 1)The show doesn't drag her to that degree(or any degree tbh) and 2) A seemingly overwhelming majority on other platforms such as twitter, soap central, and Youtube liked her as much as I do and agreed with my perspective. When the narrative begins trashing Steffy to the same extent, and she's just meekly taking it is when I'd be concerned.