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I like Ted stepping up, but him and Eva are gonna need thicker skin. Especially if they're gonna be on Dupree stomping grounds. Not saying it's fair but it is what it is. If Ted consistently cared about what's fair, none of them would be in this predicament in the first place. That aside, I definitely figured Martin would be the first sibling to make kind gesture to Eva. Kat is gonna take her time, assuming she ever chooses to defrost towards Eva. I get Eva is a victim here too, and she's been very conflicted almost from the jump but I really wouldn't demonize the Dupree's(normal & initial) reaction to her just yet. I don't want her to get dumped on by them indefinitely either, but her transgression against them is still very fresh. She's got Ted, Andre, & probably Martin. That's a good start for now given what's happened. But I felt awful watching Eva go back to abusive, crazy ass Leslie for familiar comfort. Good on Martin for telling her she deserved better. She definitely did 🥺 Ashley & Derek were actually good yesterday. Maybe the actors are getting more comfortable in the roles now. Anastasia sucks. That is all. 🙂

Yeah facebook is not the most reliable place of criticism in the soap fandom imo. This isn't an admonishment of the whole barrel naturally, but there are no shortage of bad apples over there, but I've personally written them off entirely. Twitter too. No matter the soap, that sector of viewership seems to be very pro status quo. Even, and at times especially, to the soaps detriment. They're incessantly pro Newman, pro Corinthos, pro mob, pro Forrester, probably pro whatever annoying show eating character that's left on DOOL(I don't watch anymore so Idk) crowd. It's no coincidence to me that almost anytime they're unhappy, the soap in question has a better than usual episode rating by other fans in different internet spaces/mediums. Short lived positivity of course but still.....FBers don't like rocking the boat, so I'm not expecting much, just because beyond the gates is the better written soap. I plan on tuning them out in relation to this show all the same. Unasked for tangent aside lol, I get what they're saying. But it's not being very fair to Martin. Ignoring that the character has established anger/control issues(like...it's quite possible he killed somebody in a rage), he did just discover his father used him to cheat on his mother, produced an outside child(far as they know), and got away with it for 20+ years. I think it would've been unrealistic if he didn't shove Ted tbh. Or at least threaten him in some way. I do agree about Leslie slapping Eva though. Especially if Eva hit her first because Leslie was tearing her down. Leslie is an abusive parent, physical violence is part of the package usually. Plus, a moment like that between them would be very soapy! Which is always good! The fallout from the anniversary party continues to be excellent. I agree that Hayley is the mayor of bird city. I get that she might be unhappy with Ted's hypocrisy towards Bill. But it's not like the former lit into the latter. She complains about not having any friends/allies but then decides to act punitive to Ted, who at least is chummy with Bill for now. She's a damn idiot, and Dani had good timing & good insults to her nosy ass. Kat is gonna have a hell of a time with Tomas in regards to Eva. She's been exposed, but Tomas seems to like Eva enough to be a sucker/savior for her. And with Kat's raw emotions, it's not looking good for the two of them. Which sucks because I like them together. Ted stepping up to help Eva but still not exactly forgiving her was well done.

To echo the praise that others have already shared, last week and this week so far have been a real blast to say the least. I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel very vindicated for giving this soap a real chance right now. I'm loving every bit of this. It goes without saying that Leslie is a horrible parent, I wish Eva had slapped her last week or at least tried. Eva is gonna have it rough going forward. But at least Andre is someone she can reliably look to for some grace. While I'm still iffy on the idea of Eva being Nicole's child too, if anyone could pull this off, and have it make total sense, it would be this team of writers. Any other soap would be fumbling it every step of the way. I still feel like Kat & Eva are just ghetto twins, but I'm open to changing my mind more than I was a week ago. Only good writing can get that out of me. I think this whole thing is gonna trigger something in Martin, and he'll be forced to reveal the horrible secret to Smitty. Don't know when though, it's just a guess on my part.

Well yeah she will most definitely be accepted eventually, if she's Nicole's daughter. That's not a question of if for me but when. It's kinda a soap staple, exceptions to the rule not withstanding. It would look poorly on the Duprees for shunning her if she came from them, even if she were raised by batshit Leslie. They might keep her at arms length at times, but she'll still have a place in the family. Even if only as the black sheep. I think that too but that the type of person Nicole is. However, I believe getting that point/level of acceptance would take much longer, and require much more effort on Eva's part if she weren't Nicole's versus if she were. Family doesn't begin or end in blood. That's always a nice message to send when done correctly, and I think the writers have the potential to do that with Eva & Nicole. My ideal solution would be Nicole, Kat(this is probably wishful thinking), Eva, & Martin becoming a tight unit while freezing Dana & Ted out.

Oh wow that explains alot. That's pretty fucking despicable. I guess Josh Griffith is taking cues from Bradley Bell on how to write women........If Audra pulls that off(and for her sake I hope she doesn't) Victor will probably get off scot-free once again. Hell, I doubt Kyle will really get taken to task over it either even though he's a dumbass. Great.... I expect nothing less from Chelsea tbh, with her con artist background, and one lame video game no one ever mentions anymore(thank goodness for small favors), her best bet is almost always gonna be whoever she's connected to at the moment. She's mooched careers with Chloe, Nick, Adam, Billy, and now Adam again. But Sally Spectra? A designer from a family of famous designers? OG Sally Spectra's niece? Leaving a secure design job for whatever the hell Genoa City's fail up brat has in store for her? Hell nah. There's not enough words in any known language to explain how fucked up, and backwards that is.

Yep. Leslie is lying about not being Eva's mother. It's a cover story to make her & Eva seem innocuous. However, there is reasonable enough speculation from fans that Eva was a stolen embryo/stolen at birth somehow and the real lie is Leslie being Eva's biological mother. I personally don't believe that, but it's not because Leslie isn't crazy enough to do something like that. She certainly is, but Eva being mothered by someone not Nicole gives room to more friction, because Eva will always be a reminder of what Ted did. So the idea that Nicole will just be able to move on since it was so long ago is less likely because there is now a permanent link to the affair partner. Nicole is a champion, but I don't see her being able to stomach that, at least not for a while. If Eva were Nicole's daughter too, the emotional stakes & consequences of Ted's affair kinda dissipate imo Sorry I went on a tangent lol, hopefully I answered your question :)

I stopped watching a while ago, but I was forced to sit through most of today's episode due to an appointment. Just my luck that only my most hated characters(save for Michael and sorta kinda Lauren, Diane & Sally) were on today! Yay me! 😀 Why is Audra begging Victor for start-up money? She's better off playing the Wisconsin lottery. Where's Nate? Also a cosmetics company? Don't those take years to build, and chemistry labs run by actual chemists? Also where does Kyle get off being such an asshole to her? I have no use for her character but he's about the last person in a position to rip on her for....well......anything tbh. Go play in traffic Kyle. Oh no! Cole is getting sick? Is he contagious enough to kill off this boring husk of a soap opera long past it's glory days? No? Then I don't give a fuck. Kyle/Claire and Chelsea/Adam are still being shoved down everyone's throats I see.....yeah I didn't miss this shit one bit. I am happy with my regained hour 😂😂 I low-key enjoyed Sally gently, but very obviously, clocking Chelsea about Adam. I don't know why, but Sally merely talking about how Adam operates personally & professionally had more chemistry than Chadam. Ironically enough it reminded me of OG Chadam with Michael Muhney. The show really did us Ally fans dirty....I'll never forget or forgive how they trashed Adam & Sally as individuals, and as a couple for stupid Nick & then Chelsea. 🙄🙄🙄 Chelsea is so stupid, who tells their employer that they might have a new prospect while still working at their current job? Make a decision silently, and then choose to leave or stay. I guess part of this is supposed to be AL!Summer's way out tomorrow. Without Sally or Chelsea she'll have to look outside GC to find replacements. I have no idea what mess Victor has Michael in now, but it will always make me upset that this show isn't built around Christian LeBlanc/Michael the way it is EB/Victor. CLB looks great, enunciates well, and is still as great an actor as he ever was. Michael shouldn't be anyone's lackey or bowing to anyone. He should be the savvy patriarch making big moves, running things/having people run scared....Something akin to Adam Chandler, Edward/Alan Quartermaine, Alan Spaulding, Roger Thorpe, etc. If not him then definitely Jack. He's earned it after deacdes of being neutered for Victor. But nope, we just have an abusive vampire......running roughshod over eveyone.......and it's not even a hot vampire like the ones in the Cullen family 😔😔

As long as they don't waste him on Greenlee's version of Taylor in any capacity, I can accept just about anything involving him as a hollow victory(since his disruption to og TOD will be temporary as usual). Bonus points if he tells Ridge about himself and tells Taylor to shove her accusations of Brooke using him to make Ridge jealous* up her ass. *because she's definitely gonna say that instead of asking Ridge why the fuck he even cares.

Same, coming from a former hater(but reinvigorated for the right reasons this time)myself, no one ever brought this up. It's one of the reasons Brooke pissed me off when Deacon first came back to town, and she, not unlike this time, decided to jump on the popular Ridge & Steffy sancioned opinion like a coward and try to ban/discourage Hope from getting to know Deacon. Knowing she had no alternative father figure at that point, and hadn't for a good while. So counting when she got with Bill, this is actually the third or (fourth?)time Brooke has chosen a man in her life over Hope? I mean, it's truly a testment to how unbearably aggravating every other character was during that time onward, that Brooke's OG stance on Deacon kinda fell to the wayside. But needless to say, I'm over her. Not in the same way I'm over Steffy, her shitty french friend, or her shitty parents. But I'm definitely over Brooke. She's gonna need to get dragged by Bridget, then skewer Ridge, Taylor & their brat before I even consider giving her a break.

I know Steam has almost always been overhyped and needing the scales tipped to work. But Liam needing brain surgery, that conveniently took 5 minutes, and literally no one else being notified even though that's basic protocol, so that the chosen one can be the only one that knows/be by his side is truly some next level propping. Was Hope randomly throwing her marriage away over Thomas, and Finn being night and day over Sheila & being Luna's father (not that those weren't also pro steamless psyops) really not enough? I've been calling a forced steam reunion ever since Hope started fantasizing about Thomas, but this scenario specifically was not on my bingo card.

Aside from Steffy being able to do whatever she wants, whenever she wants, they are clearly gearing up for a steamless reunion again, but this time Liam is gonna be the best he's ever been. Because he's gonna go with the narrative that he and Steffy's time together was perfect and harmonious and their only problem was Hope. Just like he did after he caught Hope in Rome. And to take it a step further, he'll probably even say that Bill(because he's pissed at him over Luna already) helped Hope on many occasions to steal him away from fair maiden Steffy. He won't stand up for his other child's mother at all because doing so might turn Steffy off and make her run away. It won't be enough they get back together, he needs to corroborate the version of history that it's all his(and Hope's) fault they split up in the first place. It's so gross and I hate it already.

Oh Eva is facing an uphill battle trying to talk any sense into Leslie. She has no idea how crazy her mother is. She can't find out soon enough for me. My guess is that she wants more than money she wants prestige. Kinda like Hayley except Hayley isn't crazy(but she is kinda dumb) like Leslie is. I feel like Leslie wanted to be Nicole, which might be why she got with Ted in the first place. I dunno how she thinks she's gonna play this to her advantage because once Nicole finds out the truth Ted is out and he won't have as much to give to her anyway. Hayley pissed me off, "I was never harassed by that man so that means any other woman that says she was harrassed is automatically lying" like she can fuck off with that. And some friend she is, she only wants to level with Naomi on the condition she buys what she's selling. That's incredibly low and I'm glad Naomi told her she wasn't afraid of her empty threats. When I hear Dani talk about Bill and how addicted she is to him it makes this show feel like it started from the middle instead of the beginning. I know some things can't be helped but it's hard to imagine Dani & Bill that in love. Even as Dani continues to crash out over him, it's just hard to watch. I'm not actually rooting for her to get Bill back. Let him be Hayley's problem. Kudos to Nicole for trying to get her baby sister to see reason though. I wonder how long it will take before she loses patience having the same convo and gives up entirely. Kat is thinking in steps ahead with the camera set up, while she's overkill when it comes to how she talks to Eva, she's not really wrong either. So it's a toss up for me kinda because I like both characters so far. I'm glad Martin got caught in his lie but also happy that he and Smitty seemingly passed that hurdle for now. Only to come home to a new one. I wonder what Tyrell is hiding....

Oh come on man....what's your beef with Ashley? She's been through enough. 😂 Yeah as if defending Brooke wasn't hard enough before, she just keeps hitting the fucking reset button and it's all over that shitty, abusive, Shrek(sorry Shrek/DreamWorks)impersonator. I agree with @CountryGirl. Only defending Brooke in the context of humbling Steffy & Taylor from now on because it's pretty unlikely that either of those Regina George knock-offs will ever receive the bashing they throughly deserve like she does, outside a couple corners of the internet here and there. Stephanie treated Bridget better than Brooke treated her so yeah your spot on about that. As for the rest, idk for all of Stephanie's awfulness I don't think she usually involved kids in it, save for the custody battle of R.J & Hope which was foul on her part. Outside of that, nah, so I just don't see her fanning the anti-Logan flames while Brooke was raising her all of her grandchildren while Taylor was, thankfully but unfortunately only temporarily, dead. And while she jumped all over the chance to break Bridge up the second she came back....it's not like Stephanie knew Taylor would come back. She just got lucky like she often did. But sure....revisionist history for the win....again....😒😒😒 Damn Hope....how does it feel to be the new Bridget? Lol At least OG Bridget had the benefit of being related to Eric to fall back on, not that he did much either, but meh. Alright messed up jokes aside, this is fucked up even for their standards, because for Brooke the bar was kinda in hell anyway, but Katie? Neither Nick's or Bill's dick was involved this time. And her and Carter broke up offscreen a little while ago, so what the fuck is her excuse? Standing up for her big sis? The same big sis that slept with her ex-husband? Girl are you okay???? Something else I wish Hope had mentioned is that Brooke actually is capable of being a good parent.....just to Ridge's children and not her own. That's how much more she values Ridge over herself & her own progeny, and why this whole thing is so unforgivable to me. She would never cuss Steffy out the way Ridge did to Hope. No matter how much that little smart-mouthed, hypocrital, heifer egged her on and called her 50 different types of slut, while seeking to break up her marriage to her father, for years. And hardly so much as a "That's enough young lady." But Hope telling the truth in the only way Brooke seems to be willing to receive it from those that really mean her harm, and it's "get out of my house!" ??? Brooke's wardrobe should consist of circus clown wear from now on. If Brad really wants to honor women, he'd go to CBS and beg them to cancel this shit.

Oh wow Dani handled the news pretty well at first, then she went home to drink 😖 I'm still really happy for Chelsea though. I agree but everyone else is straight, save for Chelsea, and tbh these days some people might find a racy story about a character sleeping with a couple of offscreen swingers less offensive than a monogamous gay couple lol. They want to do too much of the wrong things with Martin, imo. If they care about the opinions of homophobic viewers then they should've wrote Martin as unmarried, childless, and maybe even still in the closet seeing Smitty in secret. That would make his treatment of Smitty more understandable(not excuseable though). It would make for more compelling story, him being a controlling, paranoid, douche could be played as a reaction to the homophobia he faces as a black man in politics and from the community. Again not to excuse anything but it would make good for context if done well. Bill is a little too hopeful about getting back in his daughter's life via lawsuit lmao if not straight up delusional. But I still think he's one of the more nuanced characters and I like that. Naomi displays the same nuance well and I have a feeling this might be harder for her than she realizes, even with Hayley's annoying ass in the picture potentially driving her resolve to finish her dad in court. Speaking of which, Hayley is pushing it big time, Naomi is probably gonna read her for filth and she'll deserve it. She's expecting too much too soon from people, and she's gotta cut that crap out sooner or later. I understand the critique of the Tomas actor but at the same time, I see potential. So I'm gonna hang in there for a while longer. However it is worth mentioning that I am very biased because him & Kat are very cute together!

I'm not sure what the writers were thinking with this here. I'm still impressed and happy with the show as a whole, but a few casting/writing choices I would've made differently if this is the story they wanted to tell. Martin definitely should've been the youngest Dupree son instead of first born grandson. That would make him maybe millennial age, and definitely over 35 already. He definitely shouldn't have teenage aged adopted children. A toddler I could see or a kindergarten aged child. Kat should be Nicole & Ted's only child together or their eldest with a younger son who's still in school(like maybe freshman age in high school). That way Eva could still fit in the middle, either as Ted's affair baby or a stolen Ted/Nicole embryo, somehow. That's just off the top of my head. I feel bad for Chelsea but I appreciate the level of bravery it took for her to rip the band-aid off to Dani about quitting modeling. I for sure thought she was gonna dress it up and smooth talk her way out of it without triggering her mother. But I guess, between this and Naomi suing Bill, it's setting up a Bill/Chelsea vs. Naomi/Dani sort of conflict. Which I'm all for.