Lone Wolf

This is where that plotline fell apart. Not only does your point stand, but I have to to think that most girls would have cleaned themselves up. To state the obvious, Lucy clearly has issues - maybe on some level she thought she was humiliating Stephen, or she wanted to degrade herself? I just can't take that situation at face value. Came here to more or less say that. Their mindset seems to be that "hanging out" with as many guys as you want, as often as you want (including overlapping) is fine, but not once you're in a committed relationship, which is the conventional perception of marriage. That said, even open marriages frequently have boundaries, and sleeping with a spouse's co-worker (or in this case, student) seems like a pretty likely (and well-advised) one, so I don't know if I buy the likelihood of Oliver doing that. I basically hate watched this series, but I would watch a Season 3 and I was sucked in enough this time that I'm going to get the book. I did the same thing with Apples Never Fall, and the book was quite a bit better than the series, as books usually are. Curious to see if this will be the same.

Tim Van Patten's daughter and Dick Van Patten's niece. (The latter will be especially familiar to Viewers Of A Certain Age, although Tim had his moments in the sun as well). I assumed she was related somewhere in there because of the unusual last name.

Just found and recommended this show to a friend as follows: "It's like Euphoria goes to college, with alcohol and weed instead of hard drugs. Partying, hookups, and a death secret." Just finished Ep. 5 (Merry F*cking Christmas) and wanted to add the sentiment that I sincerely hope that Sadie found Freddie. That cat is worth the entire lot of these characters. That said, will definitely continue to watch, even if said watching is tinged with a hint of hate.

Fair point re: fuckboy, but I can't buy into rolling over for someone just because you're in love with them (or think you are), at least not to the degree that he did. At some point you need to have some self-respect and grow a pair, especially when the closest you're getting to sex with your beloved is licking your ejaculate off a mirror for her. If she's sympathetic to and trying to save Alondra, why did Yas have her fired - is that supposed to be "tough love"? As someone noted upthread, it seemed to be a bit of an overreaction if she sees Alondra as a victim...

I think Rob was pretty pathetic in general, at least where Yas was concerned. I don't think many guys would have put up with the way she treated him unless they were into being humiliated and dominated. I chalk it up to him being the stereotypical nice guy-in-over-his head. I have the feeling that this ep was intended to be the series finale and for whatever reason the decision was made to do another season after this one was in the can. To me it seems all over the place with time leaps and major life changes for the characters, and any one of the plotlines (other than possibly Yas') would have been better served with a little more build up and exposition. Alondra (the woman at the end) was on the boat, and I'm not sure what Yas' motivation was for hiring her, unless it was just a plot device so that we could get more information about Charles' perversions (including intimations that he did molest Yas, which I suspected after he pinned her down on the bed and screamed at her with his face almost touching hers. I half expected him to kiss her). And I hope she isn't planning to continue to wear his ring ("Thanks, Daddy!" indeed). Why would she want that reminder?

I'll play, at least as far as the Golden franchises are concerned. I watched both for one reason: dark curiosity. Would there be the same kind of contrived, OTT drama, backstabbing, and pettiness among the contestants as there is in the younger versions? How foolish and undignified are they going to act in general? How are they going to handle the Fantasy Suite? And finally, (I'll be honest) how would I compare physically to these guys if I were willing to sacrifice my self-respect and pride to participate in this dumpster fire? Considering what went down with the Golden Bachelor's "wedding" (c'mon, was there really any expectation from anyone that that travesty would last?) and the hot mess that was the culmination of the last Bachelorette, I can't imagine that ABC expects anyone to take these shows seriously. But I suppose if you will broadcast it, they will watch...I did and I am, although probably not "for the right reason".

Speaking of ABC, in case anyone doesn't already know, Disney bought them many years ago, so there's that product placement/tie-in. Nice to see a few people on the forum who share my opinion about Blue Bayou (and their Monte Cristo - that was always my GF's go-to). In fact, I met her through Match.com when I said that I was once there and saw a couple kiss before one of them go up to go to the restroom and that was the kind of relationship I was looking for. And here we are, watching GB together 19 years later.

Wasn't sure that I was ready for a RIshi-centric episode, but it was actually a refreshing change of pace to go from Euphoria to Wolf of Wall Street. That said, Rishi is pretty good at beating up his pub and being a shit husband/father (how creepy is looking at porn while you're holding your infant?) but (as he acknowledged) he got lucky. This time. I doubt anyone could pull off what he did IRL but by the same token, no one's ever going to accuse this show of being realistic.

In semi-plain view of everyone, no less. We knew that he was going to be her flavor-of-the season from the moment his shirtless, sweaty self was introduced to her though. She probably knew it too and has been deluding herself (as usual).

Is that why she said "lean into his (my) feelings" about a dozen times after Molly said it initially? Or are the script writers just getting lazy. Speaking of scripted lines, Devin's "better than Pete Davidson...in every way." Mad standup and sketch comedy skills, eh? Good for him!

I've watched E2 twice and I still don't completely understand what's going on. I guess the power outage was random and just a plot point to heighten the general tension surrounding an IPO. The way the last ep ended, I thought it was some going to be some sort of sabotage. "Any better and it'd be a sin" is right out of Wall Street, which was released almost 40 years ago. I don't know how old Eric's supposed to be, but I raised an eyebrow when he said that; it isn't exactly the "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" of famous movie quotes. Also, I'm not sure that one Englishman would call another one "buddy", as Henry did Robert when they were arguing. "Mate" would be more in character, no? And speaking of Henry and Robert - can a guy as apparently unstable as Henry realistically rise to the level of success that he has? And could Robert actually keep his job after literally beating up his client? Don't ask what I thought was going to happen between Nicole's daughter and Robert (or for that matter, between Yas and her father in the flashback). I'll say it again - all these Mommy/Daddy issues!

Came here to say that (after re-watching the first two seasons in preparation for this one) I can't get past how much Nicole looks like Caitlin Jenner. Guess that's a moot observation at this point. In other news, I knew immediately that Yasmin will be hooking up with the Lumi guy as soon as he was introduced via playing handball with no shirt on. A little creepy to see Eric getting blown on blow (see what I did that there?) and the circumstances leading up to same, but his general weirdness is one of the reasons that I'm hate watching this show. Why did Anna need her car moved? Was that just to underscore the menial position that "Harpsichord" has now? I'm pretty sure that's going to change before very long, too. I liked Kenny better with the beard - sure an' he looked like a little leprechaun, he did. That may or not be moot at this point, also, but I'm leaning toward not. All these Mommy/Daddy issues, literally and figuratively...oy, gevalt!

Speaking of that date, I couldn't help noticing how Jenn's lipstick came and went and came back again. I know they do multiple takes and sometimes have to go back and reshoot something for a pick-up or whatever reason, but continuity errors seem to be the norm with reality shows, e.g., on Secrets of Playboy, Holly Madison's nails sometimes went from red to green multiple times during an episode, and on Brooke Hogan's short-lived show back in the day I remember an instance of her makeup waxing and waning over the course of her (purportedly) making a phone call. Still, sloppy editing irritates me.

So I guess Devin's the Wrong Reasons are Bachelor(ette) traditions along with tears, ambulances, "leaps" of faith/"falling" in love dates, "I didn't think it would be this hard", "I've never felt like this before", "I feel like the luckiest man/woman in the world", "I didn't come here to make friends", "I know my wife/husband is in this room", "This has been such an amazing journey", and of course, Neil Lane. I guess Devin is this season's villain (we gotta have at least one), but I'm also having a problem taking a guy wearing a pearl necklace seriously. Just wanted to check out Jenn after seeing some promo after having not watched either franchise in many, many years (I think the "On The Wings of Love" season with the Bachelor who was a pilot might have been the last one I watched). Looks like not much has changed.

Well, and all the corruption that was discovered in Fall Brook, the door was wide open to continue the series although I'm glad they didn't; I've despised quite a few shows in my time but I don't think it's ever been based on the fact that so many characters were just unlikable. Not that it was their fault; they were all either stereotypes (pretty much every one of the leads) or unremarkable space-fillers (the preggo girl who became the manager of the strip club, Jackie's Fish Police boss/sponsor and the other guy she worked with on the boat). Had they done a 4th season, I could've seen Charmaine and Osito rising to power and taking Frankie's place as the antagonists, maybe with more Lady Castro a la Griselda Blanco. I'd have also killed off Renee early on , introduced Ray's sister to move in to help him raise the kids, and had Ray slide deeper and deeper into debauchery with CI's/witnesses/co-workers while becoming a semi-functional alcoholic which results in his death, either by screwing up on the job or eating his gun. That's all I've got. Hasta luego, Hightown...to paraphrase Dr. Peter Venkman, I've hate-watched worse shows, but not many. Thanks.