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I definitely think Din and Grogu will be reunited by the end of Season 3, but I think they will find each other themselves. Although we left things with Moff Gideon in custody, I think there are some bigger things going on that the audience has not fully seen yet, which means Grogu (and Din) are still in great danger. And Luke’s statement to Din that he (Luke) would protect Grogu with his life — well seemed a little ominous to me. I don’t think Luke will fulfill this promise. I think in the next Season, it will be Din, not Luke, who protects Grogu (and in the process Grogu protectis Din), further cementing their “Clan of Two.” Somethings that have stuck with me (from Season 1?) were Din’s offer to Kuill to be a crew member on the Razor Crest and Kruill’s explanation to Din about how with patience and guidance he trained IG-11. While these scenes were important to those parts of the show, I think they will also have future implications.

I read somewhere recently, cannot remember where though, that the Dark Saber used to belong to a Jedi who was also a Mandalorian. Made me wonder about the direction the show was heading with Din’s “son” Grogu.

Just got an email from Masterpiece stating that Victoria is in hiatus and they said that there is no information on when it will be coming back. The email then directed me to watch Sanditon. Guessing that people have been asking about Victoria, so Masterpiece felt the need to send the email. My personal opinion is that this may not be a good indication that the show is ever coming back (seems like a just ploy to keep options open). If they haven’t even thought about filming yet, the show at the ealiest won’t be back until the middle of 2021, if ever. ☹️

Honestly, I feel my lack of empathy stems from the fact that I feel the show itself has not given this subject matter the seriousness it deserves, so why should I? While the Ossie character was indeed vile, I feel like the show made him into a joke, especially with the whole storyline with Morwenna’s sister. And now they have the cardboard character of Drake, whose sole purpose in this show seems to be some perfect, long suffering love that “heals” Morwenna. Morwenna and Drake are not being depicted in a real life way to me, so I don’t really have a real life empathy for them. And as Nara stated above, I would have tons of sympathy for anyone struggling with the aftermath of domestic abuse, but Poldark is not a “real life” show, it is a romance.

I believe that the reason Agatha’s was able to s&&t stir so successfully was because Ross was constantly showing up around Elizabeth, which was like a neon sign that something must of occurred or was still occurring between Ross and Elizabeth. In other words, Ross’s behavior made Agatha’s statement seem credible to George. Add in that the sight of Ross makes George crazy, Ross’s constant presence added even more fuel to the fire.

Back in those times being illegitimate was probably one of the worst things that could happen to a child. And not only would Valentine be an outcast from George, it would sully his mother’s (Elizabeth’s) reputation, and Ross would either have to admit that he was a philanderer (and publicly humiliate Demelza) or that he “forced” himself on Elizabeth. In my opinion, what Ross has done in regard to continuing to show up in Elizabeth’s and Valentine’s lives is not love, it is just plain selfishness on Ross’s part. The main reason George treats Valentine so poorly is because he thinks (rightly so) that Valentine is Ross’s child, and George’s belief of this was mainly because Ross was incapable of staying out of Elizabeth’s life, even after — in his own words— he supposedly got Elizabeth out of his system that night Valentine was conceived. If he really loved Valentine, he would have just kept his distance. My personal opinion is that Elizabeth’s death can more squarely be placed at Ross’s doorstep, and I really find it a little disgusting that Ross can just keep on with his happy life with the woman he “truly” loves and his nice family, and Elizabeth, Valentine, and, to some extent, George are just casualties of Ross’s selfish behavior.

Yeah, what’s up with Ross’s hair?? Also agreed with your feeling re: Morwenna and Morwenna/Drake. Cannot argue that Drake is a nice guy on paper but maybe unrealistically too nice and too sacrifical for my taste. I also feel there is a lack of chemistry between the actors. And the way that Drake seems to almost baby talk doesn’t help. He seems like a boy, while Morwenna seems more grown up.

I don’t think Ross and Demelza are good candidates to care for Valentine either when Ross basically ignores his children and Demelza seems to have no problem leaving his children with Purdie, who drinks herself to sleep every night, and Tess, the sketchy, angry women who likely tried to burn their house down that Demelza met like two days ago.

I remember during the S1 episode Ordinary Woman Albert stated that it was really important to him that he have the allowance so that he could do something good himself and not have it “given” to him by Victoria. But during S1, S2, and first two episodes of S3 Albert seemed fine with working with Victoria on her Queen duties until Victoria got mad at him for giving her bad advice about the Chartists and she started looking to Palmerston for advice instead of Albert. Albert then tried to be Mr. Mom, but then Victoria accused him of bullying Bertie, then he hired the child abuser, and then Victoria got furious about how Albert treated Bertie after he got his head examined, so it seems he gave up the child rearing. I guess Victoria pushing him out of “her” world kinda put Albert on the path of finally accomplishing what he initially wanted from his life by way of the Great Exhibition. In my opinion, I think he also gained Victoria’s respect. While I think Victoria was madly in love with Albert, I don’t think she had a lot of respect for him and his abilities prior to the Great Exhibition. I think Victoria needed to see other people admiring Albert to get her to really admire Albert herself — like she had a prize that everyone else wanted. And I think Albert has been shown as a person who wants to earn people’s respect (and I think for Albert it has been more than a masculinity problem; the man in my opinion had low self esteem in general which was not helped by the English people making a past time of mocking him), and the most important person he wanted to earn the respect from was Victoria. I think this is the thing that will bring them closer together.

This is what I like about English series as well, but S3 of Victoria seemed like a disjointed mess to me, which is surprising because there were ONLY 8 episodes so I am still scratching my head as to why it seemed, as you said, so empty. Still don’t understand why V&A were fighting ALL SEASON. There was this stuff at the beginning of the season about Victoria craving love from her people. So, is this true or was Albert wrong? Is wanting the love of her people good or bad? And I really don’t know what was Albert’s problem all season. Was he really afraid she was losing her mind after childbirth? Was Victoria have postpartum depression, again and Albert doesn’t know how to deal with it? Or was he right to treat her like a child because she acts like one? Was Victoria angry at Albert because he was “bullying” Bertie? Was Albert bullying Bertie? Or was Victoria precieving this incorrectly? Was Albert’s issues due to Victoria treating Albert like “he could do nothing right?” Was Victoria shown to have caused the marital strife by not believing in Albert, which she fixed when she supported him in regard to the Great Exhibition? Was Feodora and Palmerston the source of all their martial strife, as things seemed to get back on track for them when Victoria stopped agreeing with Palmerston and Victoria started being nice to Feodora? I really don’t know. It is almost like the show just decided that S3’s “theme” was Victoria and Albert’s marital rift, but it had no cohesive or coherent plan as to how they were going to accomplish this, which is mind boggling because THERE ARE ONLY 8 EPISODES. And honesty, I feel like with all the hostility and distance between V&A this season, the audience deserved more of a makeup between V&A than we got. A hug in the rain and a few giggles for a split second while they rolled on the bed in the distance, really? And don’t get me stated about Albert falling unconscious at the end after a brief kiss. Also, don’t get me started on all the characters that I loved being totally missing from S3 (I miss Ernest sooo much!!). This is (was?) my favorite show. I want it to come back for a S4, but, honestly, I am afraid of a S4 if it is going to be the mess that S3 was to me.

Holding a seance was very Victoria-era thing to do 🙂 Read somewhere that Victoria participated in seances to speak to Albert and that John Brown got into Victoria’s good graces because he acted like Albert was speaking through him (and that John Brown knew a lot about Albert because he was Albert’s hunting guide for 13 years). And that Victoria’s diary was scrubbed of the John Brown stuff because the Royal Family did not want the public to know that Victoria was conned by John Brown this way.

I was wondering what Joseph did with all the money that he shook down the prior Duke for? He mentioned something about owning a horse? Is that what he spent his money on? The guy seems more and more like an idiot the more I think about it.

And if you read Ms. Goodwin novel “Victoria” it is even more evident, as the book seems to delve more into Lord Melbourne’s feelings than it does Victoria’s. I am 95 percent sure after reading the novel that Ms. Goodwin’s original plan was to “reveal” the unknown love affair between Victoria and Lord M — her version of Mrs. Brown — but when ITV and Masterpiece agreed to green light the series, they told Ms. Goodwin the show would have to be about the early life of Victoria. Then Ms. Goodwin got “stuck” writing about Albert instead of Lord M, her dream man.

Kinda wished a little that Albert got to express his thoughts on the Sophie running off and Sophie’s abusive husband, as it seemed similar to Albert’s childhood story. Seems apparent to me that real life Albert blamed his father for driving his mother away, as shown by Albert naming his daughter Louisa, Victoria writing in her diary about how Albert expressed to her how sad he was about losing his mother, and giving Victoria his mother’s pin before he traveled back to Coburg before their wedding. But, the way this show has gone out of its way to make Albert look like an asshole in regard to women and children, probably better the show didn’t go there.

Maybe a party of two, because I cannot stand him either. Real life Victoria could not stand him at this point as well, so I cannot figure out why (besides my theory in another post) this show has painted his character in such a glowing light.

More convinced than ever that the powers that be wrote S3 as basically a transition season to Albert dying and Victoria becoming a widow. The way they tore down Albert’s character so much and Victoria and Albert’s love story, I think it was meant to get the audience to dislike Albert and even cheer for his death. I am expecting that at the beginning of next season, Albert will be some invalid who has been unable to keep Victoria “satisfied.” I also think the show is setting it up so that Victoria has a romantic interest in Lord Palmerston after Albert dies. Her glances at him and their “admiring” relationship seems to be foreshadowing a lot more than Queen and MP to me. And the show is really putting effort into promoting Lord Palmerston and the actor portraying him, like they have bigger plans for him. I think Victoria will be devastated when Albert dies, but instead of turning to John Brown initially, she is going to turn to her Lord Pam. Lord Pam will stick to his wife, though, and adhere to his agreement with Emily of not getting involved with women who are looking for love, like Victoria will be (and I am sure Emma Portman will be here advising Victoria and Lord Pam). Victoria will then basically become Sophie, as she turns to her devoted servant man, John Brown, for comfort. Victoria seemed to realize Sophie had a thing for Joseph, so either she’ll remember Sophie or Sophie will still be around because she did not run off with Joseph to America. Sophie’s memory or Sophie herself will then help Victoria get with John Brown. Just a guess.

I think Lord Palmerston had absolutely no respect for Prince Albert and was sure the Great Exhibition was going to be a colossal failure and Albert would wind up being even weaker than he was. I think he wanted to infuriate Albert with the Heidi/Napoleon match and creating a larger family rift would have been icing on the cake, as he would have had Victoria’s allegiance even more. If Feo happened to get sent packing by Albert, he probably didn’t care either way. Obviously, he erroneously judged the situation.

As a shallow person who watches this show primarily for Victoria and Albert’s romance, this can almost be a metaphor for S3 for me. 😞

I hope Penge helped the Duke as well. Would serve Joseph right for his crappy work ethic and attitude and for blackmailing the prior Duke. I am laying the Sophie stuff squarely at his doorstep. I also think it would be more realistic. And we better not get Lord Palmerston rescuing Sophie from the asylum. The way they have portrayed him caring so much for Sophie is utter BS to me. I can’t believe any of the other husbands back in that day and age would go against Monmouth — women were viewed as property back then, and I am pretty sure the other husbands would not be judgmental of him. But I have a feeling the only husband that will be against a Sophie rescue will be Albert, as this show is unable to resist any opportunity to make him look like the lone asshole, especially with regard to women and children, when he probably would have been most sensitive to Sophie’s situation due to what happened to his mother.

Was it Louise that sculpted the statue of of Victoria that is in front of Kensington Palace? Aren’t there also rumors that she had a child out of wedlock with one of her brother’s tutors and Victoria covered it up?

I feel bad for Jenna Coleman. Victoria is the star of the show, yet she got such a weak (or nonexistent) storyline. On top of it all, the show allowed Laurence Fox to outshine her. It seems that all anyone is talking about is his character. It is the same thing that happened with Lord M and Rufus Sewell. Ms. Coleman, this season, has been made into a supporting character in her own show. Ms. Coleman is a brilliant actor, and she deserves so much better than this. Hope the writers fix things and she agrees to come back for another season. But, after what she got this season, I wouldn’t blame her for not wanting to return.

LOL. After the almost wig snatching that went on last episode, I am kinda shocked the show didn’t go there. Especially, with this show *supposedly* supporting feminism, because nothing says feminism more than the stereotype of two women getting into a cat fight because they are jealous of each other and are fighting over a man. Right, ladies?

Totally agree. At every turn, the show never misses an opportunity to kick the man. Another prime example from this episode was how the episode portrayed Victoria asking Wellington to make Albert the head of the military. So, the show is portraying the offer as some pity prize that Victoria used her power as Queen to bestow on her husband. In real life, Wellington was the one who suggested Albert for the post. This shows: (1) one of the greatest generals in history admired Prince Albert enough to recommend him for the post; (2) Wellington initially disliked Albert but his initial dislike of Albert was for superficial reasons - that he was a foreign, poor prince — but Wellington’s opinion of Albert changed once he got to know the man; and (3) in real life Albert turned down the position because he did not think it was proper for the Queen’s husband to head the military (he saw a real separation of power problem), which in my opinion undermines a lot of the commentary about Albert just being some power hungry man trying to steal Victoria’s power (if that was the case, wouldn’t he have leaped at this position??). Really unbelievable to me.

Lord Palmerston specifically stated that he was opposed to the Great Exhibition and thought it was a horrible idea and tried to capitalize on Victoria’s fears of a revolution to convince Victoria at the end of the episode to cancel the whole thing. Victoria refused and told him Albert had a better way of supporting Britain then instigating wars like Palmerston.

My guess is that the show was short on cash after paying the salaries of the new actors playing Lord Palmerston, Feodora, and Lord Russell.