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Some thing's bothering me since the first season: what was Five originally doing in Dallas? It couldn't be killing JFK, because that happened anyway in both timelines, Oswald did it. So what?

King Beyond the Wall?

To be fair, Sansa technically didn't even kill Ramsay. She just set his own dogs free. It's not her fault Ramsay hadn't fed them for days... Yes, of course she knew what would happened and that was her plan, but if you think about it, what is she guilty of? Reuniting Ramsay with his precious dogs?

I always thought old 3ER (Max Von Sydow) was Bran himself - 'It's time for you to become me' - and that Bran would learn some secret to destroy the WW. And being the 3ER, time isn't linear for him, he's everywhere, anytime, so he'd have to go back to the tree cave, to make sure he's there when past Bran arrives, to pass him the knowledge on how to defeat the WW. And he's forever stuck in a time loop: he goes to the cave, becomes the 3ER, learns how to destroy the WW, goes back to the past, to be on the cave, to receive himself, passes the knowledge, dies, becomes the 3ER, learns how to destroy the WW, goes back to the past, to be on the cave, to receive himself, passes the knowledge, dies, becomes the 3ER... The greatest sacrifice to save humanity.

But the North is really difficult to conquer. That's been established within the show. "The North cannot be held... not by an outsider. It's too big and too wild. When the winter comes, the Seven gods together couldn't save you and your royal army." Cersei Lannister, S01E03 Theon and Ramsay Bolton managed to do it through treason and in a time where most Northern forces went south to fight the War. Before that, only Aegon Targaryen, when he united the Seven Kingdoms with the Help of three grown dragons.

And it wouldn't be the first time she disappeared with Drogon... But I guess Jon is too honorable for that!

First give it two more full seasons so things don't get rushed. I actually liked most of the plot points of the finale (Dany goes mad after losing everything and Jon has to kill her to save the Seven Kingdoms is a perfect ending for their arcs), but everything was so rushed that none of the characters choices made sense. We should've seen Jon and Dany relationship develop more, while at the same time the works around her crumbles and she descends into tyranny. Like I said, the biggest problem is still D&D refusing those extra two seasons HBO was willing to give. Jon killing Dany, the biggest climax of the whole show, was supposed to be the toughest decision of his life, not only because she was his queen and he's a man of honor, but because he was suppose to be genuinely in love with her. But what happened is he bent the knee, had sex with her and found out they're related in literally three episodes (7x06 - 8x01), so we never actually saw them happy for long, so why are we supposed to care about their relationship drama? Whilst, for example, the Jon/Ygritte arc developed through three seasons, from the time they meet (2x06) until he burns her body beyond the wall (4x10). And the same goes for pretty much every plot point this season. This could've ended exactly this way and be brilliant, if only they took the time to develop what happened. That said, everything that happened post- Jon killing Dany was absolute non-sense. I posted this on the episode thread, but here it goes. After Jon killed Dany, this is what I wanted to happen: "Seeing his Mother dead, Drogon goes on a grieving rage and burns the Throne Room, Jon included. Flames everywhere. The Iron Throne melts. Suddenly, through the fire, comes Jon Snow, aka Aegon Targaryen, naked (mirroring Daenerys at the end of season 1, reborn from the flames). Drogon knows "fire cannot kill dragon" so he turns his back on Naked Jon/Aegon, takes Daenerys body and flies away. As he leaves, we see Grey Worm at the door, who just realized what happened. Grey Worm and Naked Jon/Aegon have an epic fight amongst the flames in the Throne Room, and Naked Jon/Aegon ends up killing him, not without giving him a chance to surrender first. A bleeding, fatally wounded Naked Jon/Aegon leaves the Throne Room and is assisted by Davos (mirroring season 6, when Jon Snow comes back to life, naked and falls into Davos arms). "What have you done?!", Davos shouts. Naked Jon/Aegon asks for Arya. She arrives. "I was brought back for a reason... And now my watch has ended." Naked Jon/Aegon dies in Arya's arm, who cries over her brother's body. This scene is intercut with scenes of Ghost, still in Winterfell, howling. Cut to Bran, in the Godswood, hearing Ghost and realizing what happened. He's emotionless. Cut to Sansa, in the Great Hall, sheding a single tear. Cut to the Godswood again but now Bran's chair is empty. The camera lingers on the Old Tree, suggesting that now that the world is safe at last, he officially became the Three Eyed Raven and merged with the tree. Cut again to Arya holding Dead Naked Jon/Aegon, and then Drogon crossing the Narrow Sea, with Daenerys, arriving to Essos, her true home. Some time later Tyrion assembles a Council Meeting to decide who will rule the Seven Kingdoms. Since the last Targaryen are dead, so should the Seven Kingdoms, which were united by the Aegon the Conqueror. Therefore it's only fit to break them apart after the death of the last Aegon Targaryen. The North will be ruled by Sansa Stark; the Iron Islands will be ruled by Yara Greyjoy; The Westerlands will be ruled by Tyrion Lannister; The Reach will be ruled by Samwell Tarly; the Stormlands will be ruled by Gendry Baratheon; Dorne will be ruled by whomever is there already; and Dragonstone will be given to Davos Seaworth. Arya sails west anyway. Brienne becomes Queensguard to Sansa. The show ends with a raven (is it Bran?) flying over Westeros, watching each Kingdom try to rebuild itself after the horrors of the war, sort of like a live-action version of the opening credits. The raven then goes beyond the abandoned wall, we see the wildings, Tormund, Ghost... The raven keeps flying north, where there's pretty much nothing more than darkness. As the screen starts fading to black, we see two blue eyes. THE END."

The point is Tyrion was never behind anything. How do you talk about Joffrey's death, a major turn in the story, without mentioning Tyrion? Littlefinger, Varys, Jorah, Grey Worm, Davos, Brienne... These are unknown players! Not Tyrion Lannister, the Head of one of the greatest Houses in Westeros and Hand to three different monarchs.

And all it took me to write this outline was 15 minutes and a glass of wine at 3 in the morning. I'm guessing D&D only had 10 minutes...

Regarding Tyrion not being mentioned in the Archmaester book... I guess it made for a good joke but: - he was imprisoned by Catelyn Stark, officially starting the war between the North and the Capital; - he was acting Hand of the King to King Joffrey I; - he was accused of murdering his King and was found guilty for it, in a trial that started a war between Dorne and the Capital; - he killed his own father, the Head of one of the greatest Houses in Westeros; - he was Hand of the Queen to Queen Daenerys I, when she invaded Westeros and burned down King's Landing; - he was accused of treason and later was the first to elect King Brandon I; - he was Hand of the King to King Brandon I. How in Seven Hells does a book about the History after Robert's death does not mention Tyrion Lannister? Is virtually impossible. It's not like he was a background player, like Littlefinger or Varys, or even Olenna or Jorah Mormont. He was upfront and directly influenced most of the biggest events during this part of Weterosi history. Also he's the last living member of an historical Great House and Lord of Casterly Rock. Another proof that D&D go for cheap jokes instead on narrative sense. And no, it wasn't even a good joke.

I'm just gonna pretend this was the last episode: "Seeing his Mother dead, Drogon goes on a grieving rage and burns the Throne Room, Jon included. The Iron Throne melts. Suddenly, through the fire, comes Jon Snow, aka Aegon Targaryen, naked (mirroring Daenerys at the end of season 1, reborn from the flames). Drogon, knows "fire cannot kill dragon" so he turns his back on Naked Jon/Aegon, takes Daenerys body and flies away. As he leaves, we see Grey Worm at the door, who just realized what happened. Grey Worm and Naked Jon/Aegon have an epic fight amongst the flames in the Throne Room, and Naked Jon/Aegon ends up killing him, not without giving him a chance to surrender first. A bleeding Naked Jon/Aegon leaves the Throne Room and is assisted by Davos. "What have you done?!", he shouts. Naked Jon/Aegon asks for Arya. She arrives. "I was brought back for a reason... And now my watch has ended." Naked Jon/Aegon dies in Arya's arm, who cries over her brother's body. This scene is intercut with scenes of Ghost, still in Winterfell, howling. Cut to Bran, in the Godswood, hearing Ghost and realizing what happened. He's emotionless. Cut to Sansa, in the Great Hall, sheding a single tear. Cut to the Godswood again but now Bran's chair is empty. The camera lingers on the Old Tree, suggesting that now that the world is safe at last, he officially became the Three Eyed Raven and merged with the tree. Cut again to Arya holding Dead Naked Jon/Aegon, and then Drogon crossing the Narrow Sea, with Daenerys, arriving to Essos." Some time later Tyrion assembles a Council Meeting to decide who will rule the Seven Kingdoms. Since the last Targaryen are dead, so should the Seven Kingdoms, which were united by the Aegon the Conqueror. So it's fit to break them apart after the death of the last Aegon Targaryen. The North will be ruled by Sansa Stark; the Iron Islands will be ruled by Yara Greyjoy; The Westerlands will be ruled by Tyrion Lannister; The Reach will be ruled by Samwell Tarly; the Stormlands will be ruled by Gendry Baratheon; Dorne will be ruled by whomever is there already; and Dragonstone will be given to Davos Seaworth. Arya sails west anyway. Brienne becomes Queensguard to Sansa. The show ends with a raven (is it Bran?) flying over Westeros, watching each Kingdom try to rebuild itself after the horrors of the war. The raven then goes beyond the wall, we see the wildings, Tormund, Ghost... The raven keeps flying north, where there's pretty much nothing more than darkness. As the screen starts fading to black, we see two blue eyes. THE END."

True! There's a lot of small moments where you can see Sansa actually learned a lot from Cersei (and/or Sophie learned a lot from Lena).

She's 22 years old! She IS a grown up! Get over it, guys!

Nothing in the show indicates Bran can see the future. Season 7, Episode 3: "It means I can see everything, everything that's ever happened to everyone. Everything that's happening right now." What people are complaining about is the fact that he's basically a human drone but no one seems to use that to track the Night King.

This is a world where hair color was enough to prove Cersei's kids were not Robert's...

You're missing the point. Daenerys whole campaign rests on her people following her freely. The Dothraki, the Unsullied, the Second Sons, Missandei, Sir Barristan, Sir Jorah, Tyrion, Varys... They all chose her and they all make a point out of it. But as soon as someone refuses to follow her, she goes all Dracarys on their asses. Where's the freedom in that? She says she's not here to put men in chains, but then the other option is to burn them alive...

Janos Slynt was a sworn brother of the Night's Watch, a committment for life and he owned his loyalty to the elected Commander. He disobeyed a direct order and that is treason. And the punishment for treason is dead. He broke a clear law with a clear punishment. Tarly swore no allegiance to Daenerys, she can call herself Queen all she wants but until she takes the Iron Throne and is recognized as the official ruler, she's no more of a Queen than the pox hooker Bronn was banging. I thought she was against slavery, but what is "bend the knee or burn alive" if not another form of slavery? Those soldiers were not given the choice to follow her (something she allegedly gave the Unsullied). Now you can say "but that's how you conquer a Kingdom"... And that's exactly what the Targaryens, Baratheons, Starks and Lannisters have been doing for years: killing their enemies to ensure their claim to the throne. But I thought she came to break the wheel (her words, not mine).

Roberts said that line on Coven, as Madison! Why is everyone associating it to Scream Queens? ?

If everyone in the Wish Realm came back to Maine, does this mean all the villains they defeated during the show are now back in Storybrooke? Cora, that Snow Queen, Peter Pan, the Queens of Darkness, Hades, the Black Fairy, Lady Tremaine, etc... Are they all in the same place now? That'll end well... And what about Drizella and Anastasia, who CHOSE to leave the real world? Were they living their lives quietly, when all of a sudden they were brought back? Not sure they were happy about that LMAO

So... Once Upon a Time (finally) ended. And first let me say this is a show that holds a special place in my heart. Not because of its quality, which leaves a lot to be desired, but because when it started, almost seven years ago, I was in a very different stage of my life and I started watching it with very special person at the time, with whom I don't talk anymore due to a series of bad decisions and misjudgements on my part. But point is my life changed A LOT since this show started and throughout these ups and down I never missed one single episode of this messy adventure, alongside its heroes and villains. So tonight, as I was watching the last minutes, I did tear up a bit, no exactly because of the show itself, but because it felt like the end of an era for me. And as the quality of the show dropped, a lot of people around me stopped watching it (and rightfuly so), but even during the times I was hate-watching, it always felt like a safe place for me. Such is the power of movies and television. They can touch in a million different ways and leave you this nostalgic feeling about yourself and your life that you don't quite know how to replace. Now that I opened up a bit about myself, let me talk about the show. The first three seasons were as good as it gets for a show with this premise. Good humour, nice storylines, some very smart twists and that old Disney touch we expect from this kind of show. Jennifer Morrison proved she can be a very captivating leading actress and the likes of Lana Parrilla, Robert Carlyle and Ginnifer Goodwin gave outstanding (sometimes Emmy-worthy) performances. Some memorable guest stars are also worth mentioning, like Barbra Hershey, Kristin Bauer Van Straten, Robbie Kay or Rebecca Mader, who all gave us brilliant villains, or even Sebastian Stan or Jamie Dornan, who ended up moving to bigger career but nonetheless left their mark in the OUAT-verse. Then came season four and ABC decided to cash in on the Frozen hype and not even Elizabeth Mitchell's and Victoria Smurfit's villainesses managed to save the boat. It was all downhill from there. But I am glad they let the ship sink, because it sunk so low that by the time season six came, I was loving it again in a it's-so-bad-it's-good way. The show become almost a comedy, a parody of its former self, and I shamefuly ate every little bit of it! But the show did have a proper happy ending at the finale of season six, but instead of bowing out, they decided to milk the cow until it dried. And so came the most unnecessary season of a TV show of all time, the one no one asked for, season seven. And with it came a bunch of characters we knew nothing about but some how we were supposed to care about after spending six years with a different set of characters. Of course all the new characters were useless and irrelevant and none will be remembered a month from now (shout out to Adelaide Kane, the only one who raised above poor storytelling and underdeveloped characters and actually gave a standout, well-rounded performance). And all of this brings us to the episode I saw tonight, the series finale. And to that I say: WHAT THE FUCK?? That was probably the worst episode of all time :lmao: Did a toddler write this? I was laughing out loud the whole time (except for the last minutes, when I started to cry for the reasons I mentioned before). But seriously, what the hell happened? All of a sudden Robin and Alice are in the Wish Realm? ? And Zelena's with them? ? And where the fuck did the Charmings came from? ? And who's castle were they on during the round table meeting? ? And Wish Henry hugging Regina after pointing a sword to her chest? ? Wish Rumple easily turning to dust? ? Regina's dramatic speech when Rumple died? ? Until here this was classic silly OUAT, but then... Regina somehow brought ALL the realms to Marine?? Why? Why would you do that? Did you at least ask other people what they thought? And does this mean there are two version of each character living in the same place? WAIT! Does this mean there are THREE version of Henry? Real Teen Henry, Wish Teen Henry AND Adult Henry? So Teen Henry has to watch his adult self make out with his future wife? What about when Teen Henry grows up? He's gonna end up alone because Adult Henry is married to Teen Henry's future wife? And who was elected Queen? Storybrooke Regina or Future Regina? Shouldn't they at least co-reign? What about the Future Zelena who's leaving in San Francisco with her fiance? Did someone tell her she's in the past? Or is Storybrooke Zelena now the mother of Child Robin and Teen Robin? Are both Zelena's walking Teen Robin down the aisle? Will Child Robin be Teen Robin's flower girl? HOW ARE THESE CHARACTERS FROM ALTERNATE UNIVERSES AND DIFFERENT TIMELINES ALL LIVING TOGETHER IN THE SAME TOWN?? Actually, it was a fitting ending to a very, very, very messy show! LMAO RIP Once Upon a Time. You'll always have a special place in my heart and I shall remember you with nothing but kindness. PS: I low-key hope Wish Peter Pan and Wish Cruella are still locked somewhere in Wish Rumple's castle in Storybrooke and Regina and Henry just forgot about them ?

You know who kinda looks like an older version of Victoria Hamilton and also has history with Netflix?

Ralph Fiennes is 55 and he most definitely doesn't look 60! If seasons 3 and 4 cover the 70's and 80's, like previously reported, Philip will be in his 50's/60's by then. And the Queen Mother will be in her 70's/80's, that's a lot of makeup for Victoria Hamilton.

You do know the guy who played Charles in The Queen is the guy who played Edward VIII in The Crown, right? Hahaha

Give him some fake teeth and ears and a dull haircut, and he's done!

Since we can dream: Ralph Fiennes as Prince Philip Jacki Weaver as Queen Mother Matthew Lewis (with his old teeth) as Prince Charles PLEASE!