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I've been wanting the name Robbie Thompson to be associated with SPN again for a long, long time. Him and Jensen are a great start for a project like this. Very promising.

Isn't this the director's job ? I'm not sure the term "rebar" would necessarily be on the script. You know, Singer, the guy who decided to film Jared up close knowing his old guy make up looked like utter trash. Director Singer who hasn't been able to direct a decent fight scene for like a decade.

I know, that's what I'm talking about too. I tuned out whatever Dabb and Singer were saying anyway, they would never disparage their own "work". But everything else was super boring too and the cast interviews were basically just a few sentences spaced out over 40 minutes for no reason.

I'm sure it was a good time for the dozens of people who didn't watch the other specials, missed half the episodes in recent seasons, and never watched/read a single interview in the show's entire run. For the rest of the fandom, you can get something that's 100 times better just by browsing youtube for a couple of hours.

I'm finally at peace with the ending. It was really unoriginal and rather shallow, but after 15 years I'm good with something safe. After pretty much hate-watching the show for 3 seasons, the finality of the ending and the fact the both guys are at peace helped me let go of all that anger. Also, I've seen plenty of old friends reach out as the show was ending, including people who had dropped out years ago. Nobody really forgot. It feels nice to be reminded how impactful this show has been for people, and the small part I played in getting this community together. Dabb still sucks forever, though. Now that was the real disappointment. Totally surface-level, horribly edited, it just felt like a long form commercial, mostly catering to very casual watchers.

Just watching Dean's death again and crying this time. I just wish the episode had more than that. Also gonna rewatch the episode tonight with my partner, who I met through the fan communty 12 years ago. We got a kid a couple years ago and you can probably guess what his middle names are. It's going to be a rough day.

On rewatch, Dean's death scene is well written and of course, well acted. That's not the issue at all. It's just terribly placed, smack in the middle of the episode, so we don't get enough time with the guys living (dialogue never went beyond what they said at the end of last episode, come the fuck on), or enough time in heaven. Everything else is rushed as hell and we definitely didn't need another montage of depressed Sam, or to see Jared in that wig.

I never thought the episode would have the ability to ruin anything because we were well past the point of Sam and Dean having character arcs or motivations that were going to get them anywhere in a meaningful way. So yeah, we'll always have the first five seasons and the great moments under Gamble and Carver (Dabb has done fuck all I want to rewatch). But damn, I wish that episode hadn't been so hollow. It's just a mish-mash of the most mundane "emotional" greatest hits pieces, that completely ignores what the characters are really about in favor of getting those tears out of the usual audience. Just like Dabb has almost always did. And COVID didn't change anything as far as I'm concerned. As a finale, I would have gladly taken an episode with just Sam and Dean talking for a full hour. Meaningful fucking conversations about what they were going to do now, so we get a final glimpse into these characters we used to love. Instead, and predictably, it's probably one of, if not the episode episode in the entire show with the lowest amount of lines. Because why bother creating when you can just rehash the same shit over and over again ?

Completely useless, lazy, utter crap. Couldn't even muster a few good, heartfelt lines of dialogue to close out 15 years. Just and endless stream of fake emotiony crap straight out of the series finale 101 book for preteens. I'm immensely disappointed.

Oh boy. This thread might be, be not for the right reasons

He just snapped his fingers and she disintegrated. Which makes no sense since as far as we know not even God could kill death. Btw on rewatch Pellegrino's acting made me crack up. It was ridiculous to watch him completely freestyle his scenes but at least someone there was having fun and it's not like the plot deserved better.

I'd trust the fact that the showrunner has been a complete buffoon for the last three years more than the delusional words of somebody who doesn't even watch the show, but hey, that's just me. I don't think you realize how much, much worse this episode could have been considering who wrote it. Trust me, I'm a BuckLeming expert and seasoned masochist.

Yeah, ironically, the montage felt like the opening credits to a lame show like the one they parodied in Changing Channels.

It does suck, but it's been that way since Dabb took over. I guess I've reached the acceptance stage. I'm just happy we get something before saying goodbye. On another note, how did you guys like the super obnoxious music we got throughout the episode ? Really finishes the bootleg Supernatural experience.

I thought it was... okay ? I mean considering the plot this season had been absolute garbage all along I didn't expect some sudden flash of brillance to close things up. But at least it did close things up. Don't get me wrong, the writing was mediocre at best especially towards the end with the giant exposition dump at like the most crucial moment of the episode, followed with Jack's corny-ass goodbye monologue. Also the acting at the beginning from everyone ; what the hell was that ? Super rough. I fully expected Lucifer to have one last showing ; it's just BuckLeming doing this for themselves. Whatever, wasn't that long. Mostly I liked that things are neatly tied up and the show can finally concentrate on Sam and Dean for the last time after neglecting them for years ; no excuse this time. That's just what I was hoping for.

Writers : Pushing Eileen as Sam's love interest Also writers : Get the deaf girl killed by an invisible beast then kill her again off screen

Ugh, feeling really nostalgic right now. I started watching the show during season 2 so Sam and Dean have been and will always be the main appeal to me, but Castiel and his connection to Dean really took Supernatural to new heights. He also dramatically increased the show's popularity, and deservedly so. Their chemistry was off the charts and lead to many unforgettable moments. Castiel's trajectory was really shaky during the Gamble and Carver eras, but at least they fucking tried to write stuff for him. Dabb did NOTHING with the character aside from a 3 year stint as Jack's #1 fan. That Castiel monologue here at the end was well written I thought, but it was just Berens putting his almost-forgotten writing chops to good use to send a character off instead of the show giving him a fitting closing arc. Castiel deserved so much better. And I'm afraid a couple of weeks for now I'll be writing the same thing for Sam and Dean.

Not gonna lie, I really enjoyed it when Chuck started getting rid of all the bloat. That might just make enough space to have a decent series finale. Too bad Dabb's the one writing it. Apart from that, it was shit, and the Dean self-blaming has reached insane levels even though none of this is his fault. We're probably not done with it too. Anyway, I'm just glad the Castiel/Destiel fans got an acceptable ending. Honestly they deserved it after getting strung along for ratings purposes by the writers for half a decade. That scene did not move me at all of course, since Castiel had been a shadow of himself for ages, but I know I'm not the target demographic. Two weeks left before freedom.

It's incredible that after all those times the brothers had apparently grown through learning that choosing to save each other or a single person instead of making the difficult sacrifice for the greater good made things worse every single time, Billie's plan not only isn't even considered, they're actually going to kill her because of it. Billie is the new showrunner we all need.

Did anybody else think Jack with his little school bag looked like a randomly generated Pokemon main character

Made the mistake of watching the trailer for next week. Is it really what people want, seeing that miserable, ragtag, bootleg Team Free Will, tackle on Dabb's shittier version of Death ? Also is Chuck just gone now ? I'm super confused. Fucking fake Bobby and Charlie are probably gonna suck up whatever screentime Castiel could have had as we're nearing the end too. Like who the hell would want them there. They're just puppets. Have people just completely lost the ability to criticize this show after being fed the same mind-numbing content for years ? Because I feel completely disconnected to what the writers think will make people happy.

I don't even know what to say. This show is such a mess and beyond saving, the only plan that made any sense was Billie's after all. Resetting everything sounded great for a second. But we're stuck with Jack dying as a supposedly nailbiting cliffhanger. You know the guy who already died 18 episodes ago, and was supposed to die now anyway. Don't know what ridiculous shit they're going to do next but I just want this to end. The only thing I learned from this ep is that putting a card with the character names on it right before scenes sure doesn't make anything better. Also lmao at fucking Amara of all characters getting one.

Jared trying in this scene actually made things worse. Made Sam look like an overly dramatic pissbaby coupled with that script. Everybody remembers there were several scenes like this literally years ago, where one of the brothers withheld something for a little while and when they finally came clean, the other one reacted calmly and took it as a good thing. Those scenes were heartmwarming, they showed growth, maturity and acceptance. So stupid of the writers to think they could rewind, pretend that never happened and hope everybody would take it at face value. Nobody's buying this shit, and it's insulting.

This in particular just pisses me off. This episode reeked of the need to have one last flashback ep in a checkbox way instead of anybody in the writers room having an actually interesting story to tell. Just baffling that this is the last standalone ever. They're obviously very limited by the budget but there's fuck all that felt really special this season.

That was mediocre. And surprisingly, painful. Like a foggy reminder of what the standalones of old used to be. Except now it's cheap looking/sounding, the actors are bored, and the writing quality fell off a cliff. I guess the case of the week was watchable. There wasn't anything remarkable about it, especially not boring mini Sam. Dean was fine, but there wasn't any real character development to speak of. But honestly I'm glad they didn't try. The show is in a place right now where the main characters have been either ignored or turned into parodies of themselves for so long, they're pretty much shells used for the actors only. And there's no going back from that. The same way you're not going to be able to start a car back up if it hasn't moved in years, you can't just conjure up character development if your characters haven't been really used in ages. And the writers made it clear time and time again since like season 13 that they'd given up on making the necessary repairs. It obviously sucks because I wanted that kind of episode so badly for the last season to go out with a good memory, but I also knew they'd never have what it takes to pull that off. So my expectations were met unfortunately. In this episode though, we get a good example of the writers trying to conjure up drama without doing any necessary work prior to that : Sam's tantrum in the car was such a sad and pathetic attempt at trying to make us feel something. But we'd been through that shit a hundred times, and Sam making a scene about all this makes no sense whatsoever. But we're close to the end so they had to had that bit of tension. I gotta question the intelligence of anybody who'd fall for that cheap shit though. Sorry. Also Billie just had to stop by and show that 1) Her jacket looks like a trash bag when she's sitting down and 2) this season's overall plot has been pure garbage and such a wasted opportunity. I don't give a rat's ass about anything that's going on. Sure the long hiatus made that even worse but how many times have we even seen Chuck ? How the fuck did they manage to turn God into the most boring villain the show's ever had, especially after such a promising start ? Last thing I'll add to that rant is that the CW are huge assholes for giving such a tiny budget to the very last season of their longest running show. The music and visuals (CGI not included) are so shit they're making things even worse now. Good luck closing all of this in 3 episodes.