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Well Cas died in 18 like everyone knew--since they made it so obvious beforehand. My final Supernatural prediction--Cas's story doesn't end completely in episode 18 in the super hell of the Empty. I think he'll PROBABLY(probably) stay dead BUT we'll see he gets a better death than eternal torment of sleep in the Empty. Does that mean we see Cas again? Maybe but maybe not...I hear an interesting theory that we may hear Cas's final complete fate thru dialogue instead of seeing Misha. Why? Maybe Covid screwed up Misha being there in person in what have might have been just a quick scene in finale--as tptb said covid changed somethings but everyone still ends up the same place regardless. And Misha did say before Covid that he was in the final scene--maybe in a cameo? So maybe we just hear Dean and Sam say something like "Cas!" and we just don't see it. Again that is just spec--regardless if that true or not, I expect we'll see or hear about Cas maybe one more short time in a better resting place than the eternal torment of sleep. I'd say a small chance he comes back to life...much bigger chance his death ends up better than it seems in 18. Now of course can be wrong but that's my gut instinct of where that part of the story is going. We'll see.

Great shaving thing video--lot of it really looks good. Looking forward to it. Interesting that Sam and Cas both attacked in Death's library.

So the Variety article on final episodes was nice--it's good not much was changed from the initial writing. Very much looking forward to the finale--i'm very optimistic about it. From the article looks like Jim Beaver just filmed one day and the last scene is in a forest--interesting. I wonder if it really is someone's Heaven as some conjecture and they all reunite there and then the last scene is just the brothers hanging out.

I saw a new poster of the final seven episodes floating around today...it has the 2 J's centered with Cas and Jack too. Looked good--guess Jack haters won't like it and some won't like Cas on it either probably. Soon we won't have bother with irritated reactions...since it's almost over...lol. Peace when you are done!

Yeah, yeah i've seen the grievances...said he's not perfect but also say what brought up not big to me. If it bothers you, fine.

Regarding Dabb--I think he's been a good showrunner(but yes, imperfect), don't think he mishandled Dean and Sam as characters AND DO think the boys have still been the clear heroes of the show despite them letting others shine too. So yeah, I disagree with most of this board--lol. And looking forward to the final 7 shows and the finale of a truly epic voyage of 15 years.

It's fine Jensen and Jared got the cars and that Jensen got the main one. There is nothing to complain about--this is all a non-issue.

That I agree--Misha said as much that he wasn't on set for the final day.

It's kind of a savvy answer, Jared doesn't really directly answer the question.

Ah! Thanks.

Where is Jared's podcast--has someone posted it?

Hmmmm...there are some speculating that this will be an ending that bibros don't like. Could be.

Genevieve Padalecki has been cast in a recurring role in WALKER as Walker's late wife who died in mysterious circumstances...she will be in flashbacks.

Would be cool if we get one last one to cap off the show. Chad looks a little like like a younger Bill Pullman there.

Yes supposedly the J's and Misha and others pick their favorites and we get some behind the scenes details too.

Yep--not saying anyone needs permission for different opinions on Cas or anyone else...just that not's not important enough to argue over. For example I think Cas has been fine thru the years while others may disagree(though yes the writing has been uneven--but imo not as bad as some state)...and there are a bunch of people on both sides of that debate. No big deal. I've followed the show a long time, so not a latecomer concerning the characters. With regards to if Cas is in finale--we'll see. It will be obvious when it airs if he was hidden or not...an insert cameo could mean he filmed earlier--an active scene with the J's would indicate he was up there over last couple of weeks . And of course if he's not in it then he wasn't there. We'll know soon enough. And the irony is Dean is my favorite character like most here but I like the whole group a lot too...not Dean way above everyone else--so that colors my experience. I'm not worrying about Dean--I don't think he is getting killed despite the heaven rumor.

Slight change in emphasis on saying the finale is about the personal threads being resolved--a series finale wouldn't necessarily just be concerning that imo...seems more narrowly focused. Concerning opinion on Cas in finale and in general not surprised we strongly disagree...that's the par for the course since we agree on little concerning SPN--lol. Which is also symbolic of our fractured fandom...we have strong opinions all over the place on the individual characters and the show in general. Depending on what site you got to you get widely varying opinions especially on the characters. To each their own!

Maybe it makes no sense--but I sense they are hiding him with Misha's vagueness recently, Abel and others joking about the issue and Misha months ago saying he was in finale scenes AND also Misha recently in interview saying going back for the last episodes(19 and 20) will be like a reunion with goodbyes and hugs to be given. Who knows--SPN doesn't always makes sense. Hey if i'm wrong, i'd be the first to say I blew it. But my firm bet is Cas is in the finale. But let me be clear--the finale will certainly be mostly about Dean and Sam for sure AND rightly so.

Well multiple reason including Misha said in the past he was in the final scenes. But I really DO think they kill Cas in a splashy big way in 18 and do want to keep it a secret if he's really in it. Any mystery or ambiguity is a good thing. I expect them to keep it close to the vest until the end. I give further reason earlier in this thread--I do sense this big time. Now if i'm wrong we will certainly see--i'm on the record he's there. Tying up personal threads...Cas will be a part of that. Now the big question from my perspective is in what way...most likely he stays dead but gets final interactions with the boys. Could he resurrect--I wish! I only give that a 10 percent chance.

The latest TV Guide has a short Fall TV sneak peak and talks about Supernatural. The part that stood out to me concerns the FINAL 2 EPISODES--they describe them a little differently than what we heard before: "The penultimate offering wraps up the main storylines, while the series finale titled "Carry On" a nod to the song that's become the show's unofficial anthem--ties up the personal threads." TV Guide ais one of the best sources for SPN info--so I buy their description. So the finale will be tying up the personal threads mainly after the previous episode deals with God, the Archangels and the such. So this tells me no way Cas isn't in this as part of tying up the personal threads(put his being there now up to at least 95%)--and why Bobby is there AND no doubt Jack will be too(know most here are not Jack fans--i'm fine with him and I think he's popular overall). How they tie up the personal threads and who dies and who goes where--that's the mystery.

Thanks--no problem. To me--Jensen was just open about his thoughts on the finale, talking to Kripke and coming to like the ending. That said--in the end each one of us will decide for ourselves if we like the finale.

He said he turned around on the finale. Other than saying they had to change things around some because of virus...he's been positive about the show the last few weeks in my clear view of it.

Specifically here--right at the spot he grabbed Dean...now maybe his last grab before dying bloody with bloody hand in 18. Not proven but some guessing this may be the case.

Some are saying that is Cas's bloody hand print on left side of Dean's Jacket along upper arm...a callback to you know what? The grabbing of Dean from Hell.