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Interesting tidbit from Tree Topper spoiler site--the WRITERS start back to work today for season 13.

Didn't say all of it--just some of it. For example what Ruth said--I saw that and doesn't read to me at all that she was hinting there. At best one could guess that but it is far from clear.

Yes I thought the same you did--read zero coyness to it. Speaking of what Misha said--I heard elsewhere that we may see Wings(plural). So who knows what that means exactly. I would love for the angels to somehow get their wings back.

Though I think some of this is incidental and fans with too much imagination reading into it.

Most meta finale ever and twists we never saw before...Hmmm. Does it have to do with the strange realm they end up in? Eric Kripke as the mystery man...lol.

Yeah, I saw that but I don't think that was the exact same scene...there was a fast cut there. Still possible it could be but can't tell by how they edited that.

Thanks--well i'll take that as a great sign of Cas surviving. Could be wrong but this mystery person strikes me as a last second reveal leading into season 13...so therefore Cas almost gets killed but mystery person saves the Angel.

Am I getting this wrong or does it seem like the mystery figure is saving Cas by shooting someone else?

The mystery figure is shaped like Bobby but Benny also. Now when Cas sees Him(?) could it be by that time that Dean and Sam aren't there? Just so that it isn't Billie to reap Cas then I'm fine. Do they announce who the regulars are next year for Supernatural at the CW upfronts or does that come later?

I'm digging around for tweets: Someone has Misha saying get ready for some Wing action. That could be cool but also could mean death of an angel. Kim says she SURVIVES the finale. Also is quoted as saying, "Everyone will have a reaction to the finale this year. Lots and lots of feelings will happen." Immediately after Kim says that she quickly adds--"But hey there might be something cool happening next season." Hmm...that gives me some hope if something bad happens to a character such as Cas, maybe it's NOT permanent. Something cool--John coming back? The baby acting good? A character surviving a finale trauma? Hmmm.

Now everyone is getting me paranoid about losing Cas/Misha--that would totally suck. Especially with what Misha supposedly said in the meet and greet. This is getting aggravating. Doesn't Lucifer have a red strand of hair in one of the photos--Rowena dead?

Some are speculating Cas sees Gabriel at end of the preview--I would love that! Too hard to say though.

So is Garth going to be in 22 instead of what was thought to be 21? Though I didn't think Cas would be killed--the preview showing Cas running towards Lucifer has me worried for him some. That is not a good idea.

Yes I believe it is 22 and where I think we get some major Mary fireworks.

I do think Dean gets Ketch(the time he spent with him gets a call back and period)--I expect it to be bloody. He's going to take it out on him for how he treated Mom. Sam to get Lady McTorture. Probably both done in 22.

This is what I was predicting yesterday--that the BMOL try to turn Mary against the boys to kill them(which is why we got a script snippet of Dean thinking he's finally reaching Mary)...I thought either brainwashing or turning her into something bad. My second part of my prediction is that this will lead to Mary's death...eventually.

Here's hoping that we get some spoilerage about the finale from the UK Con this weekend from either Misha, the 2 Marks or Kim!

Okay fine...I was doing the same. Yeah, we all see the show in our own way.

We'll have to agree to disagree--I don't see Dean as being invalidated emotionally this year or in big need of that. I think Dean is solid and cool this year(and almost all the time!). And this is from someone who loves the whole cast but Dean is my favorite. But again if he gets validated in dialogue...cool. But I don't think he needs it and don't think its a big deal to dean. Sure he'd like it but I don't think its that vital to him.

Now I wouldn't mind if they do that to just acknowledge Dean. Though I still don't need it but it could be nice if they do it the right way. I'm fine either way on this point--more importantly is the show clearly portrays Dean as having the best instincts on the BMOL. And whether Sam or Mary explicitly says so in dialogue--the results will be clear to all the characters that Dean's suspicion was wise. So I'd be fine with the dialogue but I don't need it. Dean will get his props either way by how the story turns.

About Dean saying I told you so to Sam--I agree Dean was more on the ball than Sam and especially Mary regarding the BMOL. That said I don't need an I told you so. Dean, Sam and Cas are all under Dabb are more understanding of faults now...though not always. But yes Dean was right in his instincts and he gave it a chance while being leery and supported Mary and Sam. The show has portrayed Dean as more on target--more important than an I told you so. If we get one, I'm fine with that but I don't find it necessary.

Thanks Mick Lady! I really don't think you need to worry about Cas as I mentioned in earlier post. Also add that The J's and Misha seem happy and strife free...no inkling of Misha being pushed out. And no way IMO that Misha quits...it's a great steady gig and Misha loves the cast and crew. So Cas being off the show I see as a zero possibility. Now Evil Cas or spawn influenced Cas--see that as very unlikely...even the finale description says the boys and Cas are allied again. I see Cas allied with the boys next year and being point man with the Lucifer challenge.

Another reason I think Mary is turned against the boys as a monster or brainwashing is what I think is foreshadowing of the hunter twins who had to face their "mother" who was really a monster. I'm thinking Dean or Sam will have a similar decision to make. They like their parallel stories such as the last time the boys met the Ghostfacers.

Thanks! I agree with you that Lucifer will go on to season 13--I know some don't like that but when Mark Pellegrino came back I'm all for more Lucifer...Mark does a great job. I'm not sure about Crowley surviving...they could replace his baddy regular for Lucifer and possibly make Lucifer their endgame villain. Which would give Cas a purpose to use his full angel powers. And throw the spawn in there as you mention(But maybe they still keep Crowley for that too). I'm thinking Mary dies in either 22 or 23. Mary may just show up as a flashback or in another realm for 23. I have the theory that the BMOL in 21 turn Mary into either a monster or brainwash her to kill her boys--which is why we got the script snippet where Dean talks to Mary about her yellow eye deal and we get the part where Dean thinks he's finally reaching her.

Hey all--been lurking a while and joined today. Where do I come from? I love the whole show and all the regulars--not just one character or relationship. But whatever anyone else likes is fine by me. That said I think Cas won't be killed. The J's are older with family and need breaks and having Misha there is vital for that. Also looks like Cas and the boys are allied again in the finale as they are fighting together against Lucifer for control of the baby. So it seems Cas is at least partly right about the baby since control of the baby indicates it could go either good or bad. Which makes sense because otherwise the baby would have let Cas die and why Lucifer was so upset about losing control of his spawn.