Jonesy

Well Jason Fischer's film board shows they filmed this Monday and finished 19 yesterday. And nothing so far today.

Could be unless they skip a day in between for some reason...not sure.

I heard someone say they start filming episode 20 tomorrow--but not 100% sure on that.

Rob Benedict just tweeted today is his last day in Vancouver--Chuck gone in episode 19? Though since they filmed 20 a little this week...guess Chuck might sneak in 20 OR is he toast in 19?

Hmmmmm...not sure what this means but makes one think--Misha tweeted today talking about how slow and messed up the postal service is. Says he sent his son a letter 20 days ago and his son finally got it today. 20 days ago--so was Misha away from his family 20 days ago? And where was he? In Canada, maybe? Inquiring minds want to know. No proof but suggestive...maybe a sliver of hope. Maybe.

Thanks! I checked since you brought this up--they also filmed some episode 20 scenes on day 3 of 8 too...scenes 46, 28 pt.4, 20. So they filmed some late scenes and earlier ones. It could be in part that the scene locations were set up already for being in not just 20 but in 19 too. Don't think Misha was in any of those scenes since I don't think he's been on set at all recently. For the very final scenes--Jensen mentioned they set up a whole extra day at the very end to film those last scenes completely last...the last extra day will be only for the very final scenes.

Are you say they filmed a couple of scenes of episode 20 just recently OR just BEFORE the pandemic break?

Sue--how sure are you Misha is in Vancouver now. Lack of seeing him filming at all as opposed most everyone else and his tweet about his daughter on the 23rd could mean he's still with her and not near Vancouver or the set...it is a little ambiguous.

SCP--I hate to say this because this would downright stink but I think you may be right now. So Misha was there before the pandemic filming day 1 of episode 19 BUT no sign of him filming since though we got the J's, Alex and Abel all shown. Alex was even with the boys by Baby...no Cas. Also Misha saying 18 was his favorite could mean it was his big death scene...maybe he was just needed back for 1 day for dead body duty for 19 and was done pre-pandemic. And his return might be for the finale scenes in 20 because I do remember clearly saying he's there for that...so maybe Cas dies in 18 and get final bow and goodbye in final scenes of the show in 20. And then Misha returns then with final cast and crew goodbyes. This would also fit in with a lot of what Misha said...both dying in 18 with finale return or Misha surviving 18 would fit with what he says. Since we have seen no sign of Misha filming yet makes me more pessimistic. ALSO he has a tweet that was caught off his I-phone on the 23rd where he talks about how Maison just stuck her head outside a car just now talking about how happy she is...so that's confusing since elsewhere he said he was away from her and she gave him a goodbye picture--PERHAPS his wife showed him this and he relayed to his fans. Unclear. So not clear but now leaning to you being right...need more evidence what Misha/Cas is up to, to be sure.

I saw a tweet from Mark Pellegrino in response to Jared's sign...He tweeted, "I know the ending. You WILL cry." Oh, boy.

Well we disagree on almost everything but hey that's the SPN fandom for you--lol! Don't think Jack ruined Cas at all and at the end all 3 guys end up together allied despite some bumping of heads and are dads to Jack despite all. And with Lucifer--yeah we don't see that the same at all as I previously stated.

I agree with all your post 100%. I especially like the "IF" concerning Cas's death--Dabb has done the characters well the last few years hence his emphasis on Dean and Sam as essential to the Universe. Lets hope he doesn't screw Cas and screw Cas up at the last moment and obliterate him. A big chunk of fans(though not all of course in our cantankerous fanbase--lol) would forever be po'd about that and towards Dabb. I'll hold out a tiny bit of hope for now.

Yeah, sucks that Cas most likely dies--i've always thought Dabb has done a lot better than most of this board thinks but will have to hold a BIG grudge against Dabb if Cas dies. Just a bad move. Lets hope for the 2% he lives...maybe Dabb comes to his senses in the end. Yeah with Lucifer will be good to see a return...I never think other characters sideline the boys--they boost them with interactions starting with Cas, Jack, Lucifer and the others. The boys are so clearly still front and center.

Yeah, reading everyone on this sounds like most likely but not 100% Lucifer is coming back. I'm fine with it as returns are a staple of SPN for a long time. Don't think imo it hurts Dean's valor...what counts in the end that Dean was heroic as usual. It doesn't distract from that.

We did we hear Mark P. as Lucifer is coming back? I must have missed that one--where did we hear that? Are we sure? I know on this board i'm one of Mark P's few fans here. So if true glad he's back.

Great statement from Kripke--talks about get ready to seeing Jensen in a different way...R rated with SO. MANY. SWEARS. Hilarious--sounds fun, fantastic.

Thanks for this SCP! I went thru it a couple times so I could get exact wording...couple interesting things(shortened up a little for clarity, brevity): --Will us Cas fans be satisfied with the ending of the show? "It's poignant both a sad and proud moment". So ok definitely sounds like heroic death Cas(not my favorite Cas ending AT ALL)--i'm up 98% sure Cas dies by sacrificing heroicly. I watched Misha's face...he's definitely being honest and not trolling with this answer. --Is there room for a spinoff? "Don't think so. Resurrection always possible, wouldn't be surprised about limited run--probably find we don't like real world and have reunion." Think Misha was confused about a full spinoff idea, so said no to that but yes to a smallar scale comeback(maybe a movie?)...telling he talks about resurrection which points again to likely Cas death. Also a vital point Misha states real quickly, "As I was going away, my daughter gave me this picture." Misha verifies he's away from family...he's in Vancouver ZERO doubt, he's there to film with the J's. There is ZERO evidence or logic imo that Cas dies in 18...when they quit they already started 19 and Misha, Alex and the J's all were filming 19. If they kill Cas it will be in the season finale(19) or series finale(20). My strong guess is in 20 since Misha alluded to being in it...see no proof that it'll be a flashback. I also went back and rewatched multiple times Misha's panel of a couple of day ago--again got exact words while shortening a little for brevity and clarity: "We're going back to finish the series right now. Episode and one half left to shoot and yet we've taken 4 months off and in that time we all had this interesting experience in mourning the end of the show. Had interesting conversation with another central cast member right after and both of us were kind of shell shocked, way sadder than expected to be. Just not having cathartic moment, abrupt finish. Took us a while to get over it. Mourned and celebrated it's end already. Interesting little, almost feels like a reunion rather than the end of the show. Feels like we're going back and it's going to be a big hug, say goodbye to everyone and say I love you and stay in touch but won't be quite the same as if we barreled through." So again here--if read whole thing slowed down in print...it's super clear Misha is going back to film and it will be a reunion hugging and saying goodbyes. Also Misha described why he and other were super sad...because of the sudden yanking end and not because Cas was killed as some theorized. Misha explains why he and colleague were sad, had nothing to do with a Cas death. The other big quote from the panel--"I will tell you that the ending we have scripted for Castiel is a very final ending. It is pretty much exactly what I would have wished for. The ending that you will see for Castiel is the ending I would have wanted." Again why i'm 98% sure Cas dies a heroic death...since Misha always wished that. Also Misha again not trolling here, his face and demeanor was clearly straightforward and honest. I leave 2% open to if they somehow found an ending Misha likes even better than heroic death...probably not though. I'll also add quotes from a dual Misha/Michael Sheen video: First Misha did mention again to Michael that WE are going back to finish an episode and a half(mentioned again--episode and one half). Then adds this story later, "I have one of my trench coats here--right when pandemic setting in--actual coat from the set, when we were shutting down production a little part of my brain thought it's possible that we'd never come back and finish the show, if that happens I want to make sure to steal some of my wardrobe before it's too late. Took this and several other props." So like the theory Misha was sad because because Cas died in 18 is false, disproved by his own words...the theory that Misha took his trenchcoat because he was finished filming because Cas died in 18 proven false...Misha took it because he was being pessimistic that who knows maybe we never get back...let me snag a few things just in case. So overall it's 100% Misha is back filming now, probably 98% Cas dies heroicly and i'd say 100% Cas doesn't die in 18--if it comes it will be 19 or 20...I still think 20 much more likely for reasons i've stated before. All this is not from optimism(especially since I think Cas will die) but from what Misha himself said recently and in months past. We'll find out in a couple months...still think most likely Cas dies in finale. I'd be super super surprised if Cas does not die...come on Dabb come to your senses--give Cas life!

Fantastic that will run straight thru no interruptions. Love we get a special too.

Fantastic news for Jensen...i'm going to have to get Amazon Prime now! About the concern about the character being weak--I read they've tweaked other characters somewhat from the comic and they specifically said they wouldn't be surprised that Jensen's Soldier Boy is tweaked toward Jensen's strengths. Nice to see Kripke and Jensen back together...and Jim Beaver is recurring. Kripke also supposedly talking to bring JDM over...with Jensen there i'm sure JDM will even be enthusiastic to do it. Love that Jensen will get meaty character with adult humor and complexity. Well for a while i'm sure Jensen would like to spread out the workload...time for more later. Well i've seen him multiple times recently...seems normal to me.

Nah, i'm not saying it'll be exactly the same but yes big fights or big crowds yeah probably not...i've always expected that being realistic(realistic not optimistic)...but as you say the rest should be as it was realistically. So the episode shouldn't really be hurt much...lot of episodes don't have big crowd scenes. That makes sense, seems a good point...I mean no sense assuming the worst or best--we don't have much hard info.

There you go we have some hope--ambiguity...it's not clear where he is! Plus maybe Misha has been up there earlier and out of quarantine or close to it.

Do we know for sure where Misha is right now exactly? Any hard proof?

Yeah, I saw that...my guess is it won't be super noticible--I doubt once all the actors tested and clear they won't be standing 6 feet from each other and shouting their dialogue...lol. Would be kinda funny though!

Thanks for the info! Here's my take on what's up with Misha and Cas--first Misha has already said that he was going back to film at least some of the last episodes. He talks about how they mourned the show already since it's been so long...so that coming back is more like a reunion--that he was back as part of the reunion with the boys(who knows about Jack with his golden hair!). So he would not have died in 18--now 19 or 20 very possible...though I don't think it is actually 19 either. Misha in an old interview said I remember pretty clearly saying he's in the last scene or scenes. I love that Sue gave us that inside bit with Misha and maybe Sue's interpretation is correct and Cas not in 20 but I don't think an interpretation is definitive...because it was my strong impression that Misha was saying he was in 20 before. All that said--YES unfortunately Misha's ideal ending does sound like heroic sacrificial death he has talked about before. I'd guess 95% dead and very likely in the finale(with small chance at 19 with nod towards Sue). Which I would HATE. My only small hope is maybe the ending is something else that Misha loves even more OR he's slyly trolling because he knows his ideal ending is already out among fans multiple times. Also "pretty close" to his ideal ending leaves a little wiggle room--lol. Just a little.

Yeah it basically means SPN won't end with everyone there--just enough crew to film the show and the actors...a big chunk of the production won't be there. So it won't be a grand party like it should be to finish 15 years but they will be able to film it as written(not scaled back) once they get there with the smaller crew. Too bad they won't have the whole huge production there to all celebrate 15 years. But they will give us 2 complete normal episodes to give us a punctuation to 15 years.