RHJunkie

Please don't twist my words for the sake of your argument and for the opportunity to imply that I lack the kind of morals that you grew up with. It is completely wrong on your part to assume that not co-signing the defamation of someone's character is my acceptance of their actions. There is a stark (and very important) difference in speaking to someone's actions versus speaking to their character. In your black and white world, should every woman assume onus to get police reports, psychological testing and hire private detectors to ensure that every man they date isn't a cheating asshole on the down low? Is that how women in a black and white world avoid the labels of being sluts and whores? Context is everything and it's determinant of the level of fault someone has in a situation. You are only entertaining the notion that Luann must have known he was married and even by that merit, I said 'shit happens' because it was not a sober decision and given that the man was far more culpable for cheating on his wife, Luann did not owe the women (or the viewers) a reaction or explanation just so that she could be spared the insults. It makes a big difference if it was addressed with 'Luann, you slept with a married man and showed no remorse afterward. I honestly think that's shady of you'. They turned it into 'Luann, you're a slut, you fuck everyone and sleep with married men' and that's what you're going to co-sign based on Turks and Caicos? I don't care what coloured world anyone lives in, there's no way anyone is going to convince me that a singular incident warrants nailing someone to the cross with accusations to their character. And for the record it is not judgement in my eyes, it's simply judgement, fact. If you are going to make a judgement about someone's character, you are being judgmental. We're all judgmental to some extent and it's likely never appropriate to be that way but all I'm saying is let's not slander someone's character based on one incident that we believe they are guilty of when there is no evidence that this is consistently their behaviour.

So she blackmailed Cory...that wouldn't give me a whole lot of trust in my partner if I were Cory. Ashley, Simone and Amanda think they're smarter than they are. They don't realize that this guy is as much about strategy as it is about the challenge component. It's fine if you don't want to play strategy, but don't complain when you get voted into the battles because it's only stupid on your part to think that people are going to forsake their alliances for people who have shown no allegiance to them. If you're going to talk the talk, don't get pissed off when people call you out and tell you to back up your talk. Simone has convinced Amanda that Ashley is intimidated by them because they're loud and honest - Amanda, Ashley had nothing to do with your nomination. That was a given nomination based on how they came in. That should have been expected...and further to that, it was Cory that put it out there, not Ashley gunning for Amanda.

What's more comical is that Luann shared the same sentiment to Carole about Adam, something along the lines of 'I thought you were just banging him' and Carole was offended by that. I wouldn't mind Carole shading Luann like that if she hadn't spent so much time complaining and seeking an apology from Luann when Carole is now so effortlessly engaging in the same kind of behaviour that she has been condemning of Luann.

Does this other woman even know that she was cheated on? Because no one outed the guy, right? Secondly, the humiliation felt is not caused by the physical infidelity but by broken trust - that is between the couple, not the 'other person'. If you call someone fat, ugly or call them a whore, you can also bring emotional harm and humiliation to them, correct? Let's not draw lines in the sand here for the matter of convenience. It's not black and white. Luann took responsibility for the pirate dude that she cheated on Jacques with, sober or not when it happened, she took personal responsibility for that. Does it somehow make her a better person in life if you saw her emotionally lament over what happened? Nene's comment was toward someone who was having a longstanding relationship with someone who was supposedly married (I say supposedly because I can't remember if that was confirmed or not). We're talking about a drunken one night stand on vacation. They generalize that Luann likes to sleep with married men but they only reference the Turks And Caicos guy. That's hugely misleading if that is the only guy they can provide example of and they are simply taking one instance and running with it in order to validate their slut and whore labels. There is a difference between imperfection and conscious choices and while that terminology was used for the convenience of your argument, it works against you here because impaired judgment (in this case that comes along with being drunk) doesn't constitute making a 'conscious choice'. Now if a sober Luann slept with a married man and didn't feel the least bit bad about it, in that case I would certainly also consider that as not a 'girls girl' type of mentality. And maybe there are other things about Luann that would justify such a claim (and it's even understandable if the women find her shady overall based on the things they've seen), but using Turks and Caicos and the Tom situation as the backbone to that argument of her being a slut and whore is weak. Your parting sentiment sounds a bit judgmental (whether intentional or not), but to clarify, Luann is most certainly culpable for her actions but why does she have to be made answerable to any of those women? Does she owe them any explanation or apology for what happened? No, if there's anyone to apologize to, it certainly isn't anyone that was on that trip with her. I can only speak for myself but I didn't like Nene's comments back then and I don't like Bethenny/Carole's comments right now. It's not that I lack morals or agree with infidelity, etc. It's that everyone should simply mind their own damn business rather than waste energy in reserving judgment for others. Take that negative energy and turn into something positive by focusing on bettering yourself rather than putting someone else down (generally speaking, I'm not directing that comment specifically to you). Bethenny claims that Luann isn't a girl's girl and frankly that's subjective because based on what I see, I wouldn't have any of them in my inner circle.

I think they may have meant that Luann was highly critical of everyone else in a general sense. I do think it's funny that they should the flashback clip of Bethenny awkwardly laughing at Luann's dating advice. Turns out maybe she could use it. Luann amicably divorced, and in between her spurts of serial dating, she had one long term relationship and now a romance that put a ring on her finger. Relatively speaking, Luann's love life is probably the most successful of the ladies and maybe it's because she's willing to date a lot so that she knows what she wants and who she's attracted to.

She was drunk, on vacation and SINGLE. If I were in her situation and not of sober mind and then confronted the next day with what I may or may not have done, I would have had the same reaction as her, partly because I'm not going to entertain comments that are inviting others to shame and judge me. Just because the guy isn't a part of the show doesn't mean that judgement should be redirected at Luann (or any woman in her position). He is the one that broke his wedding vows and not a single one of them called out his behaviour - it was all directed at Luann. If you're in a monogamous relationship and you cheat on your partner, that's an asshole move. If you are sober and you know you're hooking up with someone who is supposed to be in a monogamous relationship, it's shady and lacks empathy for the other partner, but if we're going to judge, the onus lies with the person who is doing the cheating. If you drunk hook up with someone who has a partner, shit happens. Cheating is far too common nowadays and I know a few people who were on Luann's side of the coin. A couple of them felt bad, a couple of them didn't beat themselves over it but that experience was not a testament to their character or their ability to have a healthy, monogamous relationship. It's easy to judge the world black and white but there's a saying 'don't judge me because I sin differently than you'. At the end of the day, we're all imperfect and if we aren't harming others, then we shouldn't be made to feel bad for things that are not our responsibility to own.

Well that's one of many reasons...there's a lot to choose from you can remember all of the stupid things they've said and gotten angry at each other for! haha. For me, it was something to point out in Bethenny and Carole's case this episode/season because it's such a pet peeve of mine when people bring the 'hypocrisy' word into play. I think it's easy for all of us to fall into moments of 'do as I say not as I do' and often times it can be harmless. Sometimes it's not, so if you're going to put down the silly string and start slinging shit instead, you better be sure that you have a pretty harmless slate.

Yeah a lot happened so that's understandable. I read someone else mention that Ramona told Luann that she was dating and sleeping with Tom when Luann started dating him. I don't recall Ramona mention that she slept with him. And from their story I understood it as Luann had met Tom for a period of time before they started dating. When he went on his first date with Luann, he was still dating other people and up until that episode it seems like they were both still dating other people but liked each other best. The interesting bit is what Beth's friend told her about what she overheard between Luann and Tom. Important to note - before Luann made the comment, did Tom tell her he was dating Ramona or he had dated Ramona. Because if it was past tense, it's understandable that Luann would make that comment in a manner that suggests that she's not bothered so Ramona can be his past but Luann is his present. The whole slut shaming thing is such a sensitive topic now because the bottom line is that someone's sex life is only the business of the people they're sleeping with. End of story. When you make it a point of argument to refer to someone's sexual preferences or practices as a dig, it's unneeded and says a lot more about the person slinging the mud than the person receiving it. As I said, every single one of them is hypocritical and that's understood but there's nothing more annoying than seeing one hypocrite cry hypocrisy to another hypocrite. Neither Bethenny or Carole think they're a hypocrite despite having episodes where all of their behaviour is of them engaging in hypocritical behaviour. Annoying.

Not sad to see Johnny go. He was such an asshole to Jessica and the saddest part to watch is that Jessica really wanted to be a supportive partner and earn his respect and good nature. All that time he faked only the most basic pleasantries with her and the moment they lost, he didn't waste any time showing her his true colours that we've all been seeing behind her back. You could see in their challenge interviews that Jessica would have a huge grin on her face the moment Johnny would compliment her effort or talk about his confidence in her. Poor girl thought she stood a chance in turning around his opinion of her. I hope she soon realizes that he's not worth a any second it would take for him to reassess his opinion of her because she is not the problem, he is. Ashley is harmless with his craziness but she's annoying. Simone is a next level though...she's got such a punchable face. She's loud just like Ashley, except that Simone acts like she's such a superior. She's got the height of a prepubescent teenager, and she has the maturity of one as well. And Simone had the audacity to be upset about getting voted in as if she cared about Cory and Thomas' friendship. She used their friendship as a pass to go off on Ashley despite knowing she was in power that week. Then she got offended as if it was some hardship to Cory and Thomas' friendship when in reality Thomas only blamed her and understood why Cory had to call his name. All that talk about daring Ashley to nominate her...then she got mad when Ashley actually did. Don't call people out if you aren't ready to fall on your sword Simone.

Telling Luann that she sleeps with a lot of people is stating the facts. That is like saying her hair is short, her voice is deep. Telling her that she fucks everyone is an extreme fabrication meant to shame her. Calling her a whore is definitely shaming. What's worse is that after all of the comments about Luann sleeping around and being a slut, Carole and Bethenny are seen talking about sleeping with a lot of people and about one night stands as if it's some important passage in life. They've obviously created a line in the sand of what constitutes slutty and they've conveniently drawn that line to ensure that they and Luann are standing on opposite sides of it. But I do agree that they all have horrible elements to their personality so it's hard to feel bad for any of them for too long, if at all. I sometimes feel like a flip flopper because I can't be consistent with saying I like anyone. I agree or disagree based on the situation. They're all far too inconsistent for me to use the term 'like'.

They're all a bunch of hypocrites - Bethenny included. Luann didn't even remember calling Carole a pedophile and then laughed and said she probably did. Please let's not pretend that someone saying something offensive out of irrational anger (and then completely forgetting they said it) is somehow so egregiously worse than someone who repeatedly insults and shames someone for being a slut AND taking joy in hearing others say the same. I'm assuming that Luann made the pedophile comment to Carole but didn't go around town calling her a pedophile to people. If she did do that, then at best, her accusation is just as bad as Carole's and Bethenny's. Let's be completely honest here - if someone went told you about a 50 year old dating a 30 year old and called them a pedophile, would you give them any credence? Now if someone and their friends told you that someone is a slut and a whore and sleeps with everyone's man, wouldn't that be more likely to believed that the former situation posed? People need to stop hanging on to the word Luann used and completely ignore the context, circumstances and the intention behind the words. What indications do we have that Luann wanted to truly convince people that Carole is a pedophile? On the flip side, hasn't Carole been more invested and convincing when talking about Luann being unable to keep her legs closed? All of these women have said harsh things out of anger, and many of them say harsh things not only in fits of anger but because those are the judgments they truly hold against the others. It is no more hypocritical of Luann than it is for any of the women because they've all been hypocrites, Ms. Frankel included. Luann claims she apologized for the pedophile comment, and I believe Carole said she hasn't. Maybe Luann 'apologized' without using the words 'I"m sorry' and that is the reason for the differing accounts or may be Luann is lying...either way, Luann's claim of having apologized at least indicates an awareness that she was in fact wrong for what she said. .Has Carole indicated any wrong doing in her treatment of Luann? Because I seem to recall her spending all the time either insulting Luann, complaining about Luann's presence or talking about being Luann's victim. Bethenny can ignore her own hypocrisies and own fucked up life but her new bestie Carole is proving to be no more hypocritical than the same Luann she zeroed in on the moment she walked in Dorinda's home. Luann was giving me vibes of LVP when she needed to be coached into her apology. Luann certainly seems dense in her ability to make her point clearly and concisely. As annoying as Romana is, I could totally get her frustration trying to explain to Luann that her comments are said in a way that suggests something different than what you mean and for that you need to apologize to make it better.

Ramona is a piece of work. Firstly, what Luann is saying is possible - it's possible that Luann didn't know about Tom dating Ramona BEFORE she started seeing him but when told her, it didn't matter to her because she liked him. Secondly Ramona, you don't get to put down Luann for not being a good friend to you by talking to you first when you're idea of being a friend to Luann consists of talking shit about her behind her back and fuelling the fire in a conversation that you had nothing to do with. Bethenny wanted to a pick a fight with Luann. Absolutely nothing shown warranted the idiotic attack that she went in for. Firstly Bethenny, why is bullshit that Luann is dating someone that Ramona went out with a handful of times? Why does he become unavailable to any woman that knows Ramona when it was clearly not a big deal since they didn't last long at all and 7 dates hardly constitutes a relationship? And secondly, nothing Luann said suggested that she claimed to have created the idea, what she did say suggests that feels a part of it because she was the one with you when the product was first introduced to the world. And why now discount Luann has having any involvement when you put pen to paper to thank her in your book for helping you with the creation of Skinny Girl? And it's absolutely juvenile to go and talk about someone when they're within earshot. Why are you involving all of the other women? Bethenny takes things too far. Sometimes her honesty is needed in a situation. This time she was simply being a vile human being. Don't claim that you don't care who and how many people someone is banging and then turn around and call them a slut. Call Luann what you like Bethenny, you are a bitch and you possess little redeeming about you. You are not a saviour of the truth or being real, you are only feeding your own ego in believing that what you say, how you think and what you do is the best way to be. Oh and Bethenny, you said that Sonja needs to pick a lane...well so do you. You can't claim that Sonja is smart, calculated and knew what she was doing going after your business but then sit there and claim that Luann's lifestyle is bad for poor, defenseless Sonja as if Sonja is only smart when it's convenient for her so that she can be mad at her and put her down. Carole, shut the hell up. Dorinda told you that Luann was coming. You no longer need to fish for an apology for Luann saying nasty things to you when you are engaging in the same childish and nasty behaviour. And Bethenny was the only one screaming and you put the blame on Luann as if she shouldn't have been there. Piss off. Luann had me laughing when she started talking about the birthday cake, lol. She was just joking around and she never said anything bad about the cake at all. After everything that happened, it was Luann making jokes about her non-birthday that sets her off. And yes Dorinda, it is your job as a host to step in when one guest is being incredibly disrespectful to another house. The longer you allow it to take place, the more uncomfortable the attacked guest will feel. Bethenny completed disrespected her and her home and Dorinda did nothing to stop it.

I assume anything Bravo related will have some degree of production manipulation but Craig's tweet is just glossing over the heart of the matter. Would JD have been upset about LA if Craig had gotten his shit done before he left? Probably not. Would JD have been increasingly annoyed had he been able to get a hold of Craig to sort out details while Craig was in LA? Probably not. Would JD have been taken to the brink had Craig had any semblance of responsibility to wake up a bit early to come help with the event set up? Again, unlikely. I can understand that he was sick, but being real, who here hasn't gotten out of bed to get shit done even when they felt like crap? And his sickness was self-inflicted - suck it up and make good on your commitments. JD making any issue of Craig going to LA was likely (and understandably) driven by Craig's inability to balance his responsibilities knowing about the event and the LA trip.

I think Leanne sees her talking about herself as a way to open herself to others so they can get to know her better and while that's understandable on one hand, it can easily leave the wrong impression when you give little time in getting to know the other person and when you take the opportunity away from someone to ask questions of interest to them. Leanne talks about herself as though everyone wants to know and that isn't an accurate assumption all the time. I do think Leanne was sincere in the moment that she offered the apology, even though she found a way to make the discussion about herself.

Leanne used Brandi as the catalyst to berate Stephanie over their friendship and I believe she did call Brandi names. Brandi showing up with fake shit on her hat was meant to rile up Leanne no doubt. Was it immature? Definitely. Was it harmful to anyone or ruin the event? Absolutely not. If in my fit of anger, I called someone names, pointed in their face and then went to their friends to tell them how associating with said person would ruin them in society...I don't know, if I were a fair person when calm, I would think that would warrant an apology. Edit: Also, Leanne didn't condone her own behaviour but she spent a great deal of time explaining why she reacted the way she did. If in retrospect you can see how poorly you behaved, why wouldn't an apology be warranted to the people that were impacted by your behaviour?

Depends on the structure of their contract. Craig initially explained it as buying into JD's company but because he had such a small amount of money to invest in the company, he was making up the difference with this labour. To me, that sounds like Craig is a small investor (maybe 5 %) so the labour is so that he can also get a salary as well so that the income is consistent. OR they could have agreed that Craig's money + labour will amount to a larger % of the company profit. Not sure how highly Craig ranks on the streets smarts scale, but I would hope that someone who wants to be a lawyer would be able to recognize a contract structure that is a scam! I did get a laugh when he said that he had never had a job where he it prevented him from going on vacation. For one, how many jobs exactly have you had Craig? And further to that, welcome to the world of corporate investment/entrepreneurship - you sometimes sacrifice a vacation (or work while on vacation) to get the job done because you know it directly affects your bottom line. I don't think this was a situation of Craig choosing to fulfill Bravo duties over his job responsibilities because the phone conversation with JD indicated that Craig had gone MIA for a week when he was expected to provide follow-up information to a client/partner. He wasn't in LA for a week (at least I don't think so) which tells me that Craig doesn't know how to make a check-list because he claimed that he had everything in order before he went to LA and that wasn't true.

Kathryn's boyfriend is a rekindled romance. Apparently they used to date and live together so it's familiar territory for both of them. He lives in the Virgin Islands though so it's a long distance romance at this point. It's a double edged sword between Kathryn and Thomas. One claims that they won't give in until the other pays, the other says that they're already doing more than the state requires and he won't do more until he can see his kids more often. One person has to budge first otherwise it's going to be the same circular argument where one person has no money and the other doesn't get to see his kids. Poor Kensie and Saint, they were sired by two idiots.

Diamond's weak. She tried to sucker punch Olivia and she was backing up real quick when Olivia didn't hesitate to reciprocate. Diamond talked herself right into a lie. She claimed that it wasn't about fame because that was going to come anyway yet she didn't give any other reason why she would want to be on this particular season and go as far as to fabricate a sibling in order to qualify. In fact, when she recreated her phone call to Olivia, she called it a great 'opportunity'. She wanted a quick 15 minutes. And claiming that she's a real genius...shut up, you got caught so clearly you aren't that genius or much of a mastermind. What was the point of that whole proposal? It seemed fake and attention grabbing from the get go. Jaz and Jayme were relentlessly loud when they returned to the stage. While it's entertaining because it does grate on the other girls' nerves and they don't really deserve kindness, I can't help but acknowledge that I would probably feel much the same way listening to their loud obnoxious voices all of the time. Then again, I wouldn't have been weak sauce and target them from the get go so they would have probably been nicer to me, lol.

Wow, Cary looks like a completely different person and that was only 6 years ago? She looks so much prettier, youthful and vibrant without whatever it is she's done to her face since then. It's reasons like this that I don't get the 'preventive' use of botox, etc. Using botox at 25 is not preserving your youthful look. It helps with wrinkles and skin elasticity - using it before you actually need to only transforms your face into a tight, less expressive face that often makes you look much older than when you started. I have no issues with women who embrace cosmetic surgeries but it saddens me when I see beautiful women that are too insecure to see that they still have so many years left to enjoy their natural youthfulness and they ruin it by 'fixing' something that doesn't need fixing. She takes a lot of subtle digs that imply that she's better. Her comments about being lucky that her wedding dress is an actual dress and not a costume dress was unnecessarily shady. Also, I'm so sick of listening to her and husband reminisce about which country or high end store they bought each of their expensive designer clothes. I will give LeAnne credit for one thing - she's a good public speaker. Not going to debate the sincerity of her charity involvement but she's a confident speaker and that's usually the hardest and most important part in reaching your audience. Stephanie mentioned how difficult it was to be the only female around all guys but she totally has that boyish juvenile humour, lol. So far I like the relationship between Stephanie and Travis. He was calm listening to her criticisms and he acknowledged them right away but also didn't sugar coat that it would be something that would be easy to stop doing but was showing willingness to try. Felt bad for her popping out of the cake - she was clearly feeling awkward with the singing and acting sexy but she did look great in her lingerie. I like that Brandi called out that LeAnna tip toes around offering her own apology - and it was owed to Brandi. She publicly insulted the girl over fake poop in a hat. Her punishment for Brandi didn't fit the crime. Credit to them, they did well interacting with each other at Travis' party.

Craig is too self-entitled. He thinks that he has to be handed the opportunities in order to prove himself and what he can do. That’s not how the real world works. Unless you have money or connections, you have to prove yourself before you earn your opportunities. He’s going to keep falling flat on his face (and burning bridges along the way) if he keeps pissing on opportunities because he feels like he’s not getting enough so soon. Instead of his involvement as ways to learn the trade to be a smart businessman, he sees it as doing bitch work. JD is his boss and owns the company he works for and he gets involved with the nitty gritty stuff too so why does Craig think his unproven ass is more deserving than what he’s gotten thus far? Naomi seems to be the responsible one in the relationship. Shep complained about Craig being a slacker though he can’t afford to be one yet he turns around and tells Craig that he thinks people take work too seriously? Some people have aspirations and yes, sometimes they take it too seriously at the expense of things like their health, or their morals, but when someone isn’t taking accountability for their responsibilities, then is not the time to talk about people taking work so seriously. Katheryn and Thomas acted like a real family. Katheryn was laying it on pretty thick though. She was trying to frame the picture of them being a happy family...part of her fantasy is simply due to her not wanting to see the writing on the wall. If a man says he doesn't want you, don't do everything in your power to convince yourself that he's not being honest with you.

Thanks for that information. The filming and projection of Luann so far seems disjointed and I couldn't tell if her relationship came full force which caused the sudden turnabout or if production was editing parts to push an image that was in line with the grievances that the other women wanted to air about her (Carole, Bethenny and Ramona have all brought up her romantic life and it's still relatively early into the season).

Not gonna lie, I was tired and dozed off early into the episode. So far the highlight is Landon secretly hoping that she'll end up with Shep, LOL. Shep is the male, flighty version to Landon except he has family money and she relied on marrying into money to provide her previously lavish lifestyle. While I think Shep seems kind and is fun in a laid back way, I can't see him being so charming to compensate for his very obvious issues with work ethic and romantic commitments. He seems like the guy that wants the 2.5 family but is too terrified of the process to actually allow it to happen. Seems like Landon wants a guy that will give their attention and time to her. Makes sense why she's attracted to Shep...not like he's busy working to be distracted with other matters, lol. Still have the Katheryn/Thomas and Criag scenes to go.

I wonder if it's the editing but the show up to this point has painted Luann as the woman sleeping around and entertaining several men. Up until this very last episode, they portrayed her as playing the field while in the same episode she begins talking about Tom and even introduces him to her friends. Did they do that to play up a certain image or were they openly dating up until that point before taking their relationship official?

Ana is really catty. The judges seem to like her food though but with that personality and attitude, I don't see how she would ingratiate herself to a viewing audience that would want to tune in to see her...especially for viewers of this show that are witnessing her foul attitude. While Martita has the food and energy to win a competition like this, she lacks the versatility as far as I can tell right now. I feel like I'm hearing the same pitch from her every time. Right now she's ahead of many of her competitors but the likelihood is that others will improve and Martita will need to do the same otherwise eventually others will surpass her. Meat guy was acted like a tool. He had a tantrum because in his mind he somehow thought that he and Lunch Lady's performances were equal to one another. They played well off each other in their video presentation (though they stupidly opted not to showcase the food at all) but their challenge and pitch were light years apart. The only time Meat guy excelled in front of the camera was one he had an accompanying personality that allowed him to be at ease. Independently, he's a deer caught in headlights.

I'm convinced Bianca is a liar. She claims that no one has made her cry since grade school. Her brother thinks she's a hooker and hasn't spoken to her in a year and Dorothy's comment about her security is what did her in? Dorothy didn't sound drunk when she was at her door. She's so self-centred to be offended that Dorothy would at least try to enjoy the festivities at her birthday rather than miss/delay everything so that she can sit outside her door begging her to come out. And she really thinks Dorothy is jealous of her? Of what? Dorothy has friends, she's pretty and she could buy and sell Bianca and her family several times over. Maybe Dorothy is jealous of her non-existent boyfriend. And to call Dorothy a monster over that Vegas stuff...Bianca seems mentally off. Her thought process about other people's actions are so extreme while being completely ignorant of her own behaviour. Johnny seems like a kiss ass. He's the one that took back Bianca's cocktail comment to Morgan. Then he's the one that raises the issue about Bianca's security and yet he's the one showing up to Bianca's door with a bottle on hand to check up on her. How does that make sense? Then he asks Dorothy how she and Bianca are doing after hearing Bianca call her a monster. Holy shit Morgan, BREATHE.