Mothra

I'm 76 years old, and if my spouse were to die, especially in the manner Babs did, with stroke after stroke and prolonged hospitalizations and stints in rehab, and my adult daughter who lived in the same town and had no real job decided to manage *my* life, particularly if she would not leave me alone *in my own house* that I had shared for decades with my beloved husband so that I could cry and hug his bathrobe and smell his aftershave, well, I would have jumped at the chance to escape to another place, an apartment/condo I could live in the way I wanted to live, at least for a while. My health is shaky, but if I were to be suddenly widowed, my adult son who lives an hour or so from me had better not tell me I had to leave this big old house, this big old dilapidated house where we were so happy for so many years. I would find someone to help me, a paid someone if I could afford it for as long as I could afford it. He better not try to manage my grief, denying me the time and space to mourn in my own way. Close as he is to his dad, he has no idea of how different filial attachment and spousal attachment are, and his loss is his to grieve, but it is not the same as my loss (and Glenn's) would be. I don't care how hurt Whitney is by this belated courage on Glenn's part to try to get away from her, at least for a while. She doesn't care how much she has hurt him by acting out what she thinks he should be doing and behaving like a toddler in constant tantrum when he frowns at her. Sure, he is reaping what he has sown, but she's a middle-aged woman who can't forever blame her misbehavior on always having been "the favorite child." I'm Team Glenn all the way, even though there is probably a good bit of opportunism behind all the love he's getting from Angie et al., especially their creepy insistence on including Babs at the wedding.

Glob help me, I watched it again, and I *think* Glenn said he would "get" a condo "for a while"--which makes me think his idea (or more likely as you suggest the producers') is to stay in Ala to help Angie find her son. It does sound open-ended, though. I don't understand what makes Glenn especially useful in tracking down this son*--did he actually find Angie, or was she known about from the time she was adopted? I'm unclear about this, and I'm also confused about what Angie means when she says she doesn't want to hurt her son but if she gets hurt it's OK. If I were an adopted child with loving and beloved adoptive parents, I'm not sure I would want my biological parents hunting me down. And there's a big difference between Glenn, who was I guess in the Marines when Angie's mother became pregnant, arranging to have the baby adopted--I mean, it wasn't out of the question back then for him to have married Angie's mom--and teenage Angie becoming pregnant and being unable to care for a child. Glenn could have given Angie a perfectly happy life if he'd married her mother (and I don't buy "but maybe the parents would have hated each other" because why were they fucking in that case?), but Angie found herself a teenager in a jam. *What makes Glenn useful in tracking down Angie's son is, of course, the TLC money that can be used to get things done. I think you're right in that TPTB are feeling out a new storyline. Maybe even they are tired of seeing what a horrible person Whitney is.

Of course there's no way of knowing if Angie's being motivated by greed for Glenn's big bucks, but I think it's safe to say she's enjoying all the financial perks of being associated with the show. I'm not sure Angie and family's previous vacations--even the ones they've taken on Dolphin Island--were as nice as what TLC provides. And to have her entire brood get to travel to Switzerland! She's benefiting financially from her connection with Glenn, even if that isn't her motivating factor in finding him. And I want to see the entirety of Whitney's suite at that hotel. It looks like she had a kitchen and a living room separate from the bedroom. I want to know how that compared to Glenn's and Hunter's accommodations, and then with the Ala group's rooms. Surely some sleuth somewhere will post floor plans? IhopeIhopeIhope.

Honestly, that kind of shocked me. I wonder what Glenn thought about it. Giving Whitney and Hunter the finger devalues Glenn's speech about why he invited Angie. The finger brought the issue right back down to Whitney's "Daddy loves me most" level. As if it's Angie's fault Glenn chose her!

Did Glenn actually say "rent" when he said he was going to move into a condo in Alabammer? (I'm assuming Whitney will continue to refer to it like that even when her father is living there). I got the impression he was going to buy, but whichever, I imagine it's easier to sell a condo (if that's what he decides he needs to do) than a big house. The thing is, it's true that Glenn shouldn't be making big life-changing decisions so soon after Babs' death, but that axiom or whatever it is really doesn't apply to him because he has not been allowed to mourn Babs. Putting off big decisions assumes that after you have dealt with your immediate grief, you'll be in a better place to figure out what to do. Whitney has not allowed him to grieve, has made it so that he probably will take a longer time to grieve (cleaning out Babs' belongings without his permission). She has insisted he stay busy busy busy and develop new interests RIGHT NOW. She doesn't understand that *all* of them will mourn Babs all their lives, but over time the mourning will move farther and farther back from immediate concerns. But if they don't deal with it when the hurt is raw, they can never move on from mourning. I think a move to Ala will be good for him. He will have his own space (hopefully not "decorated" by Whitney, but I'm not holding my breath on that one). He can find a 2 or 3 bedroom condo so Whitney and Hunter can visit.

That was my thought, too. Sex isn't always about sex. And one thing I think we can agree on is that if Kotex's partner has a good time, it's purely incidental to any effort he's putting into it. That's too bitchy. I'm sure that in Kotex's mind, his pectacular physique is all the women need to experience multiple orgasms.

Well, no matter whose story is closer to the truth, Kotex and Crybrows have never hesitated to hire help--I reference nanny here--so in a real pinch, wouldn't they pay to have the drugstore deliver whatever it was they needed? Drugstores around here offer free delivery, although I'm sure there's a tip involved. If what Kotex needed from Janelle went beyond emergency supplies--which I am sure could be obtained through spending $20 or so--why the hell should he interrupt her vacation to come take care of him? Gee, it's too bad he couldn't call one of his strapping sons to help him out.

Ooooh RabbitHutch you bad girl (or boy)... Kootie a ho??! <splllt> I love it. I wish someone on the show would point out that penury makes our boy hot!! "Kootie Pectacular" and "the Ramen-headed one"--you are on a roll! God I love this group. I'm sure we are all such kind and caring, not to mention polite, people off this board. But boy when we cut loose, watch out.

I think I need to seek professional help because I'm so fixated on Kotex and his body, but I'm encouraged by seeing somebody else doing deep thinking on this topic, too. I think you're right about his insecurity about Janelle's affection/lust for him, and I agree that it has a lot to do with his narcissism and needing to be in control. He *is* feeling used, somehow, by Janelle, and his need to be the victim in all this really stands out (to me) in his relationship with Janelle. He says that she lusts for sex with him because of his pecs and six-pack, and I think a tiny little fear wriggles into his brain that he is being *used* for sex, not because of his great body but because he is her husband and she has a right to expect sex with him. Since he apparently is not willing to concede that *he* wants to have sex with anyone but Crybrows, If he were to have sex it would have to be because Janelle just can't keep her hands off him. News for Kotex: my husband does not have a six-pack; he is 76 years old with a paunch. But he goes to the gym three times a week and comes home to show me his massive biceps, which I dutifully squeeze and squee over. If my husband did not have biceps (such as they are), I would have precisely the amount of sexual desire for him as when he does have biceps. Making a big deal over a man's body is one way women perform foreplay--it gets men hot if they think you can't resist their manly physiques. Janelle *is* (or maybe *was*) using you, Kotex, to get what she wants in the sack. She probably is happy that you are fit, but believe me, if you were not fit, she would probably still tell you what a hot bod you have and how much she wants to jump your bones. This kind of explains for me why the wives' bodies are not seen by Kotex in the same way he *believes* they see his body. The big failure, in my experience, by men in sex is insufficient foreplay focused on the woman. His fixation on how hot he is is almost masturbation. There. I said it. I do need professional help.

I did, too, and I felt like I was in league with a serial killer or something. "Oh, my voice will be heard...it will be heard.." <chills> I've been ruminating about Kotex's pride in his musculature and his smug belief that that's what draws the ladies to him, especially Janelle. Now I'm all for being proud of your body, and Kotex seems to have worked hard to achieve the squat little muscle-man look he's after, and good for him. But he doesn't mention the appeal of a toned, fit female body. None of his wives (barring maybe Christine, and only since she left him) seems to me to have a great body, and we've never seen them trying to work out and get fit (I don't count Janelle's various efforts to monetize getting in shape) afaik. Maybe he doesn't want his wives to have sexy bodies because then other men might try to snake them away? It's been my observation that one of the first things to happen when a woman leaves an unhappy relationship is that she loses weight and takes better care of herself--maybe part of recovering from depression? Why doesn't it work both ways for Kotex? Why doesn't he insist that his wives work out and get six-packs? I guess by his logic, none of them, not even Crybrows, is hot enough for him. If Merry suddenly became Mrs. America, would he find her worthy of the Kotex beef injection?

To quote the great Pepper Mostly, I'm dead.

Kody, like many men, don't understand what attracts (and holds) women sexually. Sure, a nice body is, well, nice, but it's nowhere near as important as being a competent lover--someone who is generous with that body, not vain about it, who seeks to give his partner pleasure and knows how to physically express love for their partner's body and whole being. Someone who believes the gals slaver over his pecs and six-pack has no idea of what he's doing, and I wouldn't have him in my bed, even if he weren't Kooty.

I think the rudest thing in the world is correcting a guest. If you ever mispronounced or misused a word in front of my father (a hick from Hinton WV but who was *raised right*) he also--although he was editor of a newspaper--followed your usage while you were his guest. If someone is your guest, your job is to make them comfortable WHITNEY.

I thought so, too, and I really don't get Whitney's including the new family in Babs' birthday party. Why should they give a shit about Babs, except as you say from respect and affection for Glenn, in these activities that clearly have not only nothing to do with Babs but run totally counter to Babs' role in the whole situation? Plus I want to know if Whitney's medical emergency occurred before or after she learned she would not be going to the factory with Glenn.

YES YES YES This family's idea of being supportive is nagging and antagonizing the person who is supposed to be trying to lose weight. Tammy has asked them over and over to leave her alone but they will not pay attention, which pisses her off (would me, too) and I believes she then overeats to somehow spite them. And none of them has any idea of what normal eating is. When I was last watching, Chris was the only one who was making progress, and I relate that to the rest of them just not nagging him about what he was eating. Maybe because he's a man? Tammy needs to be praised when she sticks to her diet; otherwise, the rest of them need to get their obese noses out of her business. Sure, they're going to be stuck with her care forever, but I can tell you that continuing what they've been doing UNSUCCESSFULLY for years and years isn't going to change that. They need goddam live-in parents, every one of them, to show them how to eat. Each and every goddam day. I never encountered such a loud-mouthed bunch of fat ignoramuses in my life--and you should meet *my* family.

The way that story goes in my family (and I think this may be more applicable to Crybrows' situation) is that the little girl wrote to Santa every year asking for a pony until Santa got sick of her asking and left her a stocking full of horseshit. The next morning she triumphantly announced, "I had a pony, but look--it got away!" Be careful what you wish for, Crybrows. You just might get it, or it might just get away.

Are you, uh, seeing anybody? 💘

It's very uncomfortable to watch, I think. I believe Whitney feels more threatened by a granddaughter for her father than for another daughter, who is after all grown and independent and "too old" for Whitney to compete with. Glenn and Babs spoke often of wanting grandchildren, and here one is, and she's cute and not fat, with a sparkly personality--much more fun to be around than Whitney I'm sure. Whitney wants to make sure Daddy knows that *she* ought to be numero uno in his life (numera una?).

Yeah, but her front hairline above her forehead looks suspicious to me. Ron Popeil?

So clever. Didn't they say "Alasker" and some other places? Goddam Addison and Steele. And who told her she looked good with that bun on top of her head? Geezus. Talk about a skinned onion. What's the deal with her hair these days, anyway? Did she have implants or something?

Whitney finds it highly amusing to say "er" instead of "a"--this isn't the first location she's done this to. I find it interesting, though, that she is careful to say "Alabama" in front of her Alabama relatives, so she knows it's pretty insulting. Especially since she's decided those relatives are a bunch of rednecks--"You've never been out of the country??!!" --with none of that Caroliner panache and sophistication that Whitney and her friends evince. What a jerk she is. Apologies to all who got to this before I did. Y'all beaten me to it!

Oddly, I hadn't been aware of Whitney talking (worrying) so much about her inheritance until I started reading about it here. Fixating on the threat her "new" sister poses to Whitney's finances can be another way to express grief. My husband was a trust officer who dealt with grieving relatives who turned into monsters against each other over what was in the will, even if the amount of money was only in the low thousands. His theory--and I agree--is that how much is left to you isn't a question of fairness but an expression of who the dead person loved more. (It's why he advised his clients, barring any real reason to do otherwise, to divide their estates exactly equitably among surviving children.)

After my father-in-law died, we found he had another daughter. My husband felt that he and his siblings (three) should split their inheritance five ways. Not all his siblings went for that, so he asked his lawyer to be the repository of checks from any sibling who wanted to share the inheritance. Each sibling could send a check of whatever amount they wanted to share to the lawyer, who would then forward them to the half-sister. The lawyer would never reveal who had donated or how much. My husband, the boy scout, sent her 1/5 of what he inherited. It felt good, and it felt just. I think Glenn should rewrite his will and divide his estate equally among all his children.

Hadn't thought about her dealing with grief this way, but it makes all kinds of sense, and it would help explain her fixation with getting her father over his mourning. All of this bluster might be a frantic attempt not to think about her mother's death--she hasn't once that I've seen said anything like "Mom would have loved this trip," or even "I miss Mom so much." I think you're onto something--plus we know from preview that she goes to the ER. The stress of keeping her own grief at bay maybe got to be too much?

I agree with everything you say, but Glenn will never *not* allow her to use him--i.e. he'll never move away--because "Daddy, if you go, I might lose my tv show whine whine whine" and Glenn knows that without that income who's going to take care of her? She's unfit/unemployable for any real job. She is the most unlikeable person on TV (and I'm including political figures here) and nobody wants to spend time around her unless they're being paid to do so. Glenn's got a big fat fabulous monkey on his back. I don't know whether he'd be smarter to escape her clutches and resign himself to writing her a check every month, or to hang in there and be humiliated weekly. Another thing is, he's got to see how unappealing she is, not necessarily physically, but emotionally, psychologically, spiritually--she's never going to attract a partner unless it's some guy willing to whore himself out in order to be on tv.