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I listened to the podcast and they mentioned that Jamie was supposed to hold his grandson. But the baby started crying whenever he got near Sam Heughan. They mention that Roger was supposed to ride off on a horse as soon as the conversation with Claire and Jamie was over. But apparently the actor had a lot of trouble climbing quickly on the horse since Roger's arm was broken and in a sling. Which makes sense to me, it must have looked ridiculous. When he returns to Brianna, they don't mention any script changes. However, they think that Roger's decision was about choosing to stay in the 18th century forever.

Wildfire seems far too unstable to reliably use it against the white walkers. But maybe it will come back into play next season, probably as a last stand. I think they are weirwood leaves. I know the costume team used them on Sansa's southern outfits and it would be a nice nod to the old gods. Thank you for the link, I love looking at the details on these costumes. These pictures are so high definition you can see a bee next to Lyanna's hair and a fly on Dany's coat. Heh! You're right, I'd forgotten Sam still doesn't know about his family. But I love his relationship with Jon and I think even if he really ends up hating Dany, he won't hold her actions against Jon. They are one of the healthiest friendship in this show so I'm hoping that Sam will be able to help Jon deal with the revelation.

The snow falling on King's Landing was absolutely beautiful. And Eastwatch is definitely my favourite place ever. Those stairs look amazing. Too bad it was completely destroyed because it was a much better set than Castle Black ever was. Ghost is at Winterfell. Sansa mentioned him in episode 5, I think. And he definitely needs to welcome Jon home. I want to see Dany's reaction to a magnificent white direwolf. I completely agree with you about Tywin being an overrated strategist. He was the one who sent the Mountain to ravage the Riverlands and then dared to complain about the men who were dying in his war. I'm hoping that Bran sharing this information with Sam means that Jon will have a better shoulder to cry on than his younger brother.

I was a little bit disappointed when Tormund said that a lot of people died because of Mance's pride. I guess he was referring to Hardhome but if Mance had bent the knee, the free folk would have had to join Stannis's army and a lot of them would have died anyway. It always made sense to me that he refused to take part in the "southern wars". Mance made a lot of mistakes but he wasn't thinking about his pride, he was thinking about his people. At least that's what I got from the show. The Night King probably made the majority of the wights. There were so many of them at Hardhome they probably wouldn't have noticed if some of them collapsed. It always made sense to me that if they could get rid of the Night King, then the magic that surrounds him would disappear as well.

My comment isn't specifically directed at you but I was wondering why so many people had problems with the fact that the Night King took out a dragon with a single throw. We have seen that their weapons and even their touch can shatter normal weapons into a million pieces so it made sense to me that his weird ice spear would work against Viserion.

What was really weird about the shot is that the wolf on Longclaw has alway had black eyes, some kind of gem, and yet they were clearly white when Jon was underwater . It might not mean much but I don't think it was just reflections. It's just what I'd like to see on the show. I know incest is pretty common in the books but the show is still made for modern audiences. I think they have pointed out that the Targaryens marrying each other was the reason they went mad. I don't remember if uncle/niece marriages in the Stark family have been mentioned on the show as a common thing but in real life they were very rarely practiced. And I think the show has made it clear that people still look down on Cersei and Jaime's relationship, for example, as Tormund made a joke about them last episode. Like I said, it's just a personal preference but I'll be disappointed if there isn't any weirdness between them when they learn that they are closely related.

You're not alone, it bothers me a lot. But since they seem to be going down that road I'm trying to get used to it. I can't believe he's making me defend incest but why couldn't they be cousins, GRRM? At least they don't know that they are related and I hope they will be weirded out when they find out they are. They definitely needed to show more reactions from the crew. Tormund seemed really impressed but I was disappointed we didn't see more from Beric and especially the Hound since he completely froze when he faced the bear wight who was on fire.

Well, Dany (Jon should have said it's way easier to say than Daenerys), that’s how you earn loyalty. I can’t believe she came with not one but three dragons to rescue them. Way to go even though she paid a terrible price. I know a lot of people complain about Emilia’s acting but I think she was really wonderful in that last scene. She really shines when she’s allowed to show some emotions. At that point, it made sense to me that Jon would bend the knee because she promised to help him and lost one of her children while helping them. And Jon, at least wait until you're back at the Wall and safe before you offer to give up your greatest protection against the white walkers. He is far too honour-bound sometimes. I agree, they can still try to convince the people around her if she can't see reason. And this mission did succeed in securing the help of the most important ally: Dany. I noticed that Rhaegal flew away as soon as he saw Viserion dead on the ice. And if I remember correctly he wasn't at the Wall at the end. He definitely needs a rider and that's why I think Jon had to be left behind because they didn't want his first time on a dragon to be with Drogon. Yes, I thought I was seeing things. I wonder, is the weapon special or is it just a show nod about Jon defying the odds once again?

Eastwatch looked absolutely beautiful, In the credits and on the show. I loved the wonky stairways that climbed the Wall. The Wildlings and the Night's Watch who garrison the castle must get a lot of exercise. How many steps are there, Gilly? I really liked that Dany got offended when Jon said that Drogon wasn't really "beautiful" and I loved that Jon got annoyed at Dany when she said he wasn't allowed to leave and completely missed her worried expression. I appreciate that the Wight Expedition didn't put on any hats because there are so many named characters going north that I probably would have trouble recognizing them otherwise. And am I wrong or were there some redshirts trailing behind the main group?

I really don't think it's Jon's pride that's stopping him from bending the knee just like it wasn't Mance's pride that made him refuse to follow Stannis. They both are/were just thinking about their people and the responsibility they have towards them. Dany has a "good heart" (TM King Snow) and as soon as she starts focusing on the fight beyond the Wall I think Jon will seriously consider bending the knee. The North worships the same gods as the children of the forrest, if I remember correctly. But I don't remember if it's been mentioned on the show. I think they did show that weirwoods are sacred to the northerners and the children. In my opinion, the show has established that the children no longer control the White Walkers. Maybe Jon misinterpreted the drawings in the cave but it seems unlikely to me that the children still want the Night King to destroy mankind. I also think Jon was simply trying to show to Dany the importance of fighting together to defeat the army of the dead.

Francie, I like your theory about an argument between Dany and Missandei concerning legitimacy. That would be an interesting scene. Minor nitpick from someone who watches and enjoys the opening credits. Why is Pyke in the credits? We haven't even been there this season. I've been wanting Jaime dead since episode 1, season 1. Dany left Daario behind in order to find a good political match. However, when she meets Jon, who rules the largest Kingdom in Westeros and is allied with the Vale, which has a large cavalry, she refuses to even consider forming an alliance with him. She only holds Dragonstone and Casterly Rock right now so she's not in a position of great power. Sure, she has three dragons but we know she won't use them to lay waste to the Seven Kingdoms and I'm not sure they're going to be enough for her to win the Iron Throne. I really hope Dany will turn her attention North sooner rather than later. Because her dragons would be really useful against the army of the dead and she wouldn't have to worry about killing her own subjects. I also think that Jon is entirely focused on the threat of the Night King and he will never risk his army in the war against Cersei. It's not what he promised to his people. Jon did point out that the northern lords wouldn't follow a southern ruler but he also failed to mention that they were against him meeting her and that they really, really don't trust her. I think the Northerners would turn their back on Jon if they felt he betrayed them by joining a foreign leader. The North has been through a lot and Dany being allied with the Greyjoys isn't going to endear her to them. Last we saw them, they were protecting the cave where Bran and Co. were staying and they gave up their life trying to help them escape. So in the show we know that they had a change of heart at one point about fighting their own creation.

I was trying to be funny, of course he's met the Starks. Tyrion is a good judge of character and yet he seemed surprised by Jon's reaction. Knowing what the Starks have been through, I thought he would be less confused by Jon's answer. He did ask Jon to bend the knee more than once, which puzzled me. But that's just my take on the scene.

I thought Peter Dinklage played it like Tyrion was taken aback by Jon's refusal to kneel. Maybe he was just surprised by Jon's anger and stubbornness (hello, has he met a Stark before?) but how else could the meeting end after the way Dany had antagonized him. I definitely think that their second meeting was a lot more civil and productive. I agree that the continuity between those two episodes was terrible. It begs the question of why the writers even bothered having Melisandre show up at Dragonstone. Team Dany could have learned about Jon becoming King another way. After season 6, I really wanted Melisandre to travel around Westeros preaching about Jon's resurrection and the Night King and his army. I'm really disappointed she won't be meeting the Brotherhood nor Arya.

Does Dany even know much about maesters? She grew up in Essos and probably learned her Westerosi history from Viserys, who definitely wasn't the best teacher. She said herself that she didn't really receive a "formal education". In her first meeting with Jon she sounded like her family had just been on a holiday and Westeros should welcome her back. For the people who are around Dany's age or younger, the Targaryens are a part of history. On the other hand, the War of the five Kings is real to them and has had big consequences on their lives for the last few years. She can't just ignore the fact that Westeros is not the same place anymore. She needs allies and Jon, as a member of an ancient house that has been ruling the North one way or another for thousands of years, is an important ally for her. He grew up in Westeros and she needs him on his side. She invited him knowing he had stories to tell about what he had seen beyond the Wall but she antagonized him as soon as he got in. She told Tyrion that Jon had refused to call her Queen yet she was the one who kept calling him "my lord" while Jon referred to her as "your grace". She told Jon he was in open rebellion of her Throne but she hadn't even set foot in Westeros when he was named King in the North. It's absurd to think he would give up his title just because an unproven Targaryen has come back. Did Tyrion seriously think Jon would bend the knee? He knows what has happened to the Starks, he has met Ned, Cat, Robb, Jon and Bran, he got to spend a lot of time with Sansa and he knows they're a proud and stubborn family. He couldn't seriously believe they would let bygones be bygones, could he? Dany desperately needs new advisors. She can't just count on Varys and Tyrion.

I think the writers often take too many shortcuts and don't let the characters breathe or react properly to the story. But I don't mind that the Northerners are okay with Jon leaving his post. I think Sam mentioned in season 1 that the Watch would send ravens throughout the Seven Kingdoms if Jon deserted. Obviously, the Watch hasn't been sending messages saying that their Lord Commander has deserted them but they might have written something about his resurrection. The situation in the North is such a mess and Jon is the only living son of Ned Stark (as far as they know), I can see why they are rallying behind him. And even though they didn't show any reaction shot to Wun Wun in the battle episode, I'm hoping that the presence of a giant among the wildlings has convinced quite a few Northerners that the White Walkers are real too. Melisandre is a pretty despicable character but I'm actually really interested to see what she will do now that Jon has banished her. If she really wants to help him win the war against the White Walkers she should try to find another priest(ess) of R'hllor and send her/him to Winterfell. I like your idea of her spreading the word about Jon and Beric meeting Jon seems very likely now that the Brotherhood is heading North.

Sansa told Jon the night before the battle that she would rather die than go back to Ramsay. She didn't have high hopes about their victory so, at that point, I really don't think she knew whether the Vale army would show up the next day. That's what the writing seems to suggest to me.

I think I’m going to wait till the next episode to really form an opinion on Sansa and Jon’s decisions here. But there is one thing that makes me think Sansa didn’t really know whether the Vale army would show up or not and that’s her saying to Jon she wasn’t going back alive to Ramsay if they lost. Why would she say that to Jon if she knew a very large army was coming to help them? I think they are both making mistakes and not listening to each other, which is perfectly understandable given what they’ve both been through. They care for each other but they have lived completely different lives for the last few years and I think they need to start using each other’s experiences to be a good team. I really don’t think there will be any backstabbing between them but they need to learn to communicate better. I’m hoping that dealing with Littlefinger together will bring them closer and not drive a wedge between them. About giants, was anyone else bothered by the no reaction to Wun Wun's presence? Everyone is always in awe when they see Danny's dragons (which is understandable) but they know they existed before because the throne room was filled with their skulls and the Seven Kingdoms kneeled because of dragons. But no one seemed particularly impressed that a freaking giant was fighting in Jon’s army even though Westeros didn't believe they were real before. And if giants exist, then some people should wonder whether wights and White Walkers might also be real.

I will agree that the people behind the scenes and the actors did an amazing job for this episode. There were lots of breathtaking shots and amazing sequences. Unfortunately, I think the writing let them down. One thing I noticed, please correct me if I’m wrong, was that the wildlings, who were on foot, only joined the battle right before they were being trapped behind the shields. We know most of Jon’s army was made up of wildlings so the majority of those dead men and horses were Bolton forces before they started finishing off the rest of the Stark forces. If that was really part of Ramsay’s battle plan, then who the hell agreed to let most of their men die to build a wall of corpses? Lots of Stannis’s men rightfully deserted him when he burned Shireen. In this episode, the masters’ soldiers ran away when given the opportunity. But apparently none of the Boltons, Kartstarks or Umbers’ soldiers left when they saw Ramsay start to decimate his own cavalry. I liked Jon beating the crap out of Ramsay, I watched that scene a few times because this show has made me bloodthirsty. But even though he deserved it I couldn’t watch the bastard getting fed to his hounds because I know the dogs will have to be put down because Ramsay turned them into killing machines. Well he did have a good vantage point, what with him being at least 15 feet tall. RIP Wun Wun, you deserved better than to be finished off by Ramsay of all people. I wish they had given him something to fight with, a tree or a very large sword.

So Arya really was just wandering the streets out in the open after having decided to leave an organization of assassins. I really shouldn't have my hopes up for clever writing but the actors, who manage to make the dialogue sound better than it is, always make me hope for more. After this sad and disappointing episode, I'm not looking forward to next week's battle. Now that would have made for a great conflict for Jaime. Would he have let them go, after Brienne had made him promise that he would let the Blackfish and the Tully army ride North, or would he have stopped them? The writers missed a good opportunity there and instead decided that the Blackfish would rather go on a suicide mission after his own men and nephew betrayed him. I can't believe they had the Blackfish say that he had "run away at the Red Wedding". That was a terrible line.

I guess what bothered me more about the North’s reaction was that in this same episode we saw the Tullys and the riverlands rise up against the Freys, the Lannisters and the crown. They were at the Red Wedding, they lost a lot of men, their liege lord has been held captive for who knows how long and their lands have been ravaged by war and yet they are still resisting, for now. The North has also lost a lot of men but the Boltons don’t appear to have any hostages (except Rickon but "the Starks are dead"), the ironborn are mostly gone, and presumably the wildings haven’t been attacking their lands lately so why aren’t they more pissed off about the Boltons, the Freys and the Lannisters? Honestlly, I don't think they will believe the threat is real until the White Walkers are knocking on their doors. But if they believe him, Jon only needs to explain that there was no chance in hell the Watch, in its current state, was going to stop anyone from crossing the Wall. They needed men and sending ravens didn't get them any help. I think Jon freaking out a bit about what happened to him and being hesitant about attacking an army double their size is understandable but I don't think he's marching to Winterfell just for Rickon anymore. At the very least, as he told the wildlings, he's doing it to help them too and they have promised to fight against the White Walkers. Yes, after what Sansa and Jon have been through it's a miracle they're still standing up.

If Littlefinger is the one who helps defeat Ramsay with the Vale army, I'm sure the North will regret it deeply. I hope Sansa was writing to someone else but I doubt it. All the Northern Lords who are blaming Robb for the Red Wedding are really falling for the Frey's propaganda, aren't they? You could blame Robb for losing the war by marrying Talisa and trusting that Walder Frey would accept his apologies and his gift of Riverrun but he didn't lose the war, he was butchered along with the Northern army while they were unarmed. And as the Blackfish pointed out to Jaime, the war is still going on and will get even worse once the White Walkers get there. Yes, I don't understand what's going on with Arya. Her crouching in the dark and then walking the streets in the open doesn't make sense. Something is going on and that would explain why she isn't dead at the bottom of the water after getting stabbed repeatedly. Why would they care about Jon deserting the Watch when they clearly haven't cared about them for years? They only send thieves and rapists to the Wall and they clearly don't think the threat of the White Walkers is real. Mormont was already trying to warn them in the first season and they didn't listen. What's funny is they seem to be scared of the wildlings but they still didn't bother sending in real reinforcements, even though they've been raiding the North for thousands of years. The only man who seemed to care about the Night's Watch's vows was Ned but he's dead. And while Jon did consider abandoning the fight for a moment, what he's doing right now is for the benefit of the Seven Kingdoms. He's not trying to rally the North just to rescue Rickon and sail off to Essos. Had he stayed at the Wall, he would have died along with Edd and the few men who maybe would have stayed behind when the White Walkers finally got through. The Night's Watch was never going to stop them in their current state even with the help of the free folk.

So I’ve been catching up with the show lately because I heard things might finally happen with the White Walkers. After this episode I think the North clearly doesn’t remember and they seem as stupid as the Night’s Watch. Maybe they were just waiting for someone to get rid of the Starks but it makes you wonder why they went to war against the Lannisters and proclaimed Robb King in the North when it probably cost them lots of men. The Umbers don’t make any sense. They’ve presumably had Rickon for a while and never brought him to Roose but finally decided that Ramsay would help them? And they’ve apparently decided that turning in the last Stark heir to the remaining Boltons was a good way to avoid a potential wildling's invasion led by Jon? If his half brother comes marching south, it makes more sense to me to keep Rickon close. He’s a good bargaining chip. Now they won’t have any leverage left and they are counting on Ramsay keeping his word. And why did they let Osha live? They hate the wildlings and she has no value to them, Jon, the North or even Ramsay. And if it's all a ruse it makes even less sense. After what happened at Hardhome, it’s clear that any man they leave behind is one too many if they want to have any chance of beating the White Walkers. I don’t know why some in the Night’s Watch still refuse to see that. Maybe it’s because most of them are cowards, thieves and rapists. Hopefully now that Jon is leaving the Wall he’s going to be able to bring more people together to fight the real enemy. I don’t feel sorry for Olly. Jon didn’t kill his parents and he took out his anger on the wrong person. I would have felt a lot sorrier for him if he was hanged because he had killed a wildling.

I feel like they are rushing through the plot way too fast. Jaha and Kane are already back together. Clarke was reunited with her mom, Bellamy and Finn in just one episode. That’s too much, too soon. I wanted to see more from those reunions but the story moved so fast that they didn’t give us any time to process it at all. They completely forgot about writing for the characters. Yeah, the grounders were really stupid. They were killing the 100 left and right last season, so they couldn’t expect Finn and Murphy to just trust them. That scene was poorly set up and seemed to exist only for Finn to start killing unarmed grounders. I don’t really like Finn but that was just badly done for the sake of a twist. I don’t believe the writers are capable of pulling off a Finn going crazy or suffering from PTSD storyline. He’s alway been a jerk but there was no indication he was a psycho murderer in season 1 and I refuse to believe that Raven, an awesome character, would have been in love with a guy like this. They also shouldn’t try to redeem Murphy. I hate that Raven didn’t have him arrested for shooting her. I still don’t like Bellamy but he’s more interesting when he’s with Octavia. I’m having trouble caring about her heartbreak over Lincoln when she’s only known him for a few weeks. Meanwhile, Jasper continues to stupidly trust the mountain people even though Monty, at least, has tried to knock some sense into him. But apart from him, I’m curious to see what’s going to happen with Lincoln and the 48 on Mount Weather. They have me intrigued on that.

I caught up with this show in the last few weeks and I’m enjoying it so far. It’s a fun adventure and the short format is great, although they seem to have added more episodes this season. I like the pace, even though the editing could do with a little work. As some of you said, the make-up crew has been doing a great job of making them all look really worn down. I’m disappointed that Anya was killed. I guess it makes sense (they couldn’t have the grounders and the ark people working together so soon) but she was an interesting character that had a lot of potential. And she kicked ass; her fight with Clarke was really well done. I’m really sad the Clarke and Anya show is over. It's worse, Bellamy actually agreed with Finn about coming back later for her, until Sterling decided for them. I don’t think either of them has the moral high ground here. They’ve both done some pretty shady stuff and they’re both jerks, most of the time. I can’t believe I’m writing this but, as far as they know, rescuing the girl did pretty much screw over their plans. They think all of their friends might soon be killed by the grounders, Bellamy might be arrested as soon as he rejoins the others, Sterling is dead, Monroe is out of commission and Finn has to count on Murphy. Talk about a rescue mission.