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I listened to the podcast and they mentioned that Jamie was supposed to hold his grandson. But the baby started crying whenever he got near Sam Heughan. They mention that Roger was supposed to ride off on a horse as soon as the conversation with Claire and Jamie was over. But apparently the actor had a lot of trouble climbing quickly on the horse since Roger's arm was broken and in a sling. Which makes sense to me, it must have looked ridiculous. When he returns to Brianna, they don't mention any script changes. However, they think that Roger's decision was about choosing to stay in the 18th century forever.

Wildfire seems far too unstable to reliably use it against the white walkers. But maybe it will come back into play next season, probably as a last stand. I think they are weirwood leaves. I know the costume team used them on Sansa's southern outfits and it would be a nice nod to the old gods. Thank you for the link, I love looking at the details on these costumes. These pictures are so high definition you can see a bee next to Lyanna's hair and a fly on Dany's coat. Heh! You're right, I'd forgotten Sam still doesn't know about his family. But I love his relationship with Jon and I think even if he really ends up hating Dany, he won't hold her actions against Jon. They are one of the healthiest friendship in this show so I'm hoping that Sam will be able to help Jon deal with the revelation.

The snow falling on King's Landing was absolutely beautiful. And Eastwatch is definitely my favourite place ever. Those stairs look amazing. Too bad it was completely destroyed because it was a much better set than Castle Black ever was. Ghost is at Winterfell. Sansa mentioned him in episode 5, I think. And he definitely needs to welcome Jon home. I want to see Dany's reaction to a magnificent white direwolf. I completely agree with you about Tywin being an overrated strategist. He was the one who sent the Mountain to ravage the Riverlands and then dared to complain about the men who were dying in his war. I'm hoping that Bran sharing this information with Sam means that Jon will have a better shoulder to cry on than his younger brother.

I was a little bit disappointed when Tormund said that a lot of people died because of Mance's pride. I guess he was referring to Hardhome but if Mance had bent the knee, the free folk would have had to join Stannis's army and a lot of them would have died anyway. It always made sense to me that he refused to take part in the "southern wars". Mance made a lot of mistakes but he wasn't thinking about his pride, he was thinking about his people. At least that's what I got from the show. The Night King probably made the majority of the wights. There were so many of them at Hardhome they probably wouldn't have noticed if some of them collapsed. It always made sense to me that if they could get rid of the Night King, then the magic that surrounds him would disappear as well.

My comment isn't specifically directed at you but I was wondering why so many people had problems with the fact that the Night King took out a dragon with a single throw. We have seen that their weapons and even their touch can shatter normal weapons into a million pieces so it made sense to me that his weird ice spear would work against Viserion.

What was really weird about the shot is that the wolf on Longclaw has alway had black eyes, some kind of gem, and yet they were clearly white when Jon was underwater . It might not mean much but I don't think it was just reflections. It's just what I'd like to see on the show. I know incest is pretty common in the books but the show is still made for modern audiences. I think they have pointed out that the Targaryens marrying each other was the reason they went mad. I don't remember if uncle/niece marriages in the Stark family have been mentioned on the show as a common thing but in real life they were very rarely practiced. And I think the show has made it clear that people still look down on Cersei and Jaime's relationship, for example, as Tormund made a joke about them last episode. Like I said, it's just a personal preference but I'll be disappointed if there isn't any weirdness between them when they learn that they are closely related.

You're not alone, it bothers me a lot. But since they seem to be going down that road I'm trying to get used to it. I can't believe he's making me defend incest but why couldn't they be cousins, GRRM? At least they don't know that they are related and I hope they will be weirded out when they find out they are. They definitely needed to show more reactions from the crew. Tormund seemed really impressed but I was disappointed we didn't see more from Beric and especially the Hound since he completely froze when he faced the bear wight who was on fire.

Well, Dany (Jon should have said it's way easier to say than Daenerys), that’s how you earn loyalty. I can’t believe she came with not one but three dragons to rescue them. Way to go even though she paid a terrible price. I know a lot of people complain about Emilia’s acting but I think she was really wonderful in that last scene. She really shines when she’s allowed to show some emotions. At that point, it made sense to me that Jon would bend the knee because she promised to help him and lost one of her children while helping them. And Jon, at least wait until you're back at the Wall and safe before you offer to give up your greatest protection against the white walkers. He is far too honour-bound sometimes. I agree, they can still try to convince the people around her if she can't see reason. And this mission did succeed in securing the help of the most important ally: Dany. I noticed that Rhaegal flew away as soon as he saw Viserion dead on the ice. And if I remember correctly he wasn't at the Wall at the end. He definitely needs a rider and that's why I think Jon had to be left behind because they didn't want his first time on a dragon to be with Drogon. Yes, I thought I was seeing things. I wonder, is the weapon special or is it just a show nod about Jon defying the odds once again?

Eastwatch looked absolutely beautiful, In the credits and on the show. I loved the wonky stairways that climbed the Wall. The Wildlings and the Night's Watch who garrison the castle must get a lot of exercise. How many steps are there, Gilly? I really liked that Dany got offended when Jon said that Drogon wasn't really "beautiful" and I loved that Jon got annoyed at Dany when she said he wasn't allowed to leave and completely missed her worried expression. I appreciate that the Wight Expedition didn't put on any hats because there are so many named characters going north that I probably would have trouble recognizing them otherwise. And am I wrong or were there some redshirts trailing behind the main group?

I really don't think it's Jon's pride that's stopping him from bending the knee just like it wasn't Mance's pride that made him refuse to follow Stannis. They both are/were just thinking about their people and the responsibility they have towards them. Dany has a "good heart" (TM King Snow) and as soon as she starts focusing on the fight beyond the Wall I think Jon will seriously consider bending the knee. The North worships the same gods as the children of the forrest, if I remember correctly. But I don't remember if it's been mentioned on the show. I think they did show that weirwoods are sacred to the northerners and the children. In my opinion, the show has established that the children no longer control the White Walkers. Maybe Jon misinterpreted the drawings in the cave but it seems unlikely to me that the children still want the Night King to destroy mankind. I also think Jon was simply trying to show to Dany the importance of fighting together to defeat the army of the dead.

Francie, I like your theory about an argument between Dany and Missandei concerning legitimacy. That would be an interesting scene. Minor nitpick from someone who watches and enjoys the opening credits. Why is Pyke in the credits? We haven't even been there this season. I've been wanting Jaime dead since episode 1, season 1. Dany left Daario behind in order to find a good political match. However, when she meets Jon, who rules the largest Kingdom in Westeros and is allied with the Vale, which has a large cavalry, she refuses to even consider forming an alliance with him. She only holds Dragonstone and Casterly Rock right now so she's not in a position of great power. Sure, she has three dragons but we know she won't use them to lay waste to the Seven Kingdoms and I'm not sure they're going to be enough for her to win the Iron Throne. I really hope Dany will turn her attention North sooner rather than later. Because her dragons would be really useful against the army of the dead and she wouldn't have to worry about killing her own subjects. I also think that Jon is entirely focused on the threat of the Night King and he will never risk his army in the war against Cersei. It's not what he promised to his people. Jon did point out that the northern lords wouldn't follow a southern ruler but he also failed to mention that they were against him meeting her and that they really, really don't trust her. I think the Northerners would turn their back on Jon if they felt he betrayed them by joining a foreign leader. The North has been through a lot and Dany being allied with the Greyjoys isn't going to endear her to them. Last we saw them, they were protecting the cave where Bran and Co. were staying and they gave up their life trying to help them escape. So in the show we know that they had a change of heart at one point about fighting their own creation.

I was trying to be funny, of course he's met the Starks. Tyrion is a good judge of character and yet he seemed surprised by Jon's reaction. Knowing what the Starks have been through, I thought he would be less confused by Jon's answer. He did ask Jon to bend the knee more than once, which puzzled me. But that's just my take on the scene.

I thought Peter Dinklage played it like Tyrion was taken aback by Jon's refusal to kneel. Maybe he was just surprised by Jon's anger and stubbornness (hello, has he met a Stark before?) but how else could the meeting end after the way Dany had antagonized him. I definitely think that their second meeting was a lot more civil and productive. I agree that the continuity between those two episodes was terrible. It begs the question of why the writers even bothered having Melisandre show up at Dragonstone. Team Dany could have learned about Jon becoming King another way. After season 6, I really wanted Melisandre to travel around Westeros preaching about Jon's resurrection and the Night King and his army. I'm really disappointed she won't be meeting the Brotherhood nor Arya.

Does Dany even know much about maesters? She grew up in Essos and probably learned her Westerosi history from Viserys, who definitely wasn't the best teacher. She said herself that she didn't really receive a "formal education". In her first meeting with Jon she sounded like her family had just been on a holiday and Westeros should welcome her back. For the people who are around Dany's age or younger, the Targaryens are a part of history. On the other hand, the War of the five Kings is real to them and has had big consequences on their lives for the last few years. She can't just ignore the fact that Westeros is not the same place anymore. She needs allies and Jon, as a member of an ancient house that has been ruling the North one way or another for thousands of years, is an important ally for her. He grew up in Westeros and she needs him on his side. She invited him knowing he had stories to tell about what he had seen beyond the Wall but she antagonized him as soon as he got in. She told Tyrion that Jon had refused to call her Queen yet she was the one who kept calling him "my lord" while Jon referred to her as "your grace". She told Jon he was in open rebellion of her Throne but she hadn't even set foot in Westeros when he was named King in the North. It's absurd to think he would give up his title just because an unproven Targaryen has come back. Did Tyrion seriously think Jon would bend the knee? He knows what has happened to the Starks, he has met Ned, Cat, Robb, Jon and Bran, he got to spend a lot of time with Sansa and he knows they're a proud and stubborn family. He couldn't seriously believe they would let bygones be bygones, could he? Dany desperately needs new advisors. She can't just count on Varys and Tyrion.

I think the writers often take too many shortcuts and don't let the characters breathe or react properly to the story. But I don't mind that the Northerners are okay with Jon leaving his post. I think Sam mentioned in season 1 that the Watch would send ravens throughout the Seven Kingdoms if Jon deserted. Obviously, the Watch hasn't been sending messages saying that their Lord Commander has deserted them but they might have written something about his resurrection. The situation in the North is such a mess and Jon is the only living son of Ned Stark (as far as they know), I can see why they are rallying behind him. And even though they didn't show any reaction shot to Wun Wun in the battle episode, I'm hoping that the presence of a giant among the wildlings has convinced quite a few Northerners that the White Walkers are real too. Melisandre is a pretty despicable character but I'm actually really interested to see what she will do now that Jon has banished her. If she really wants to help him win the war against the White Walkers she should try to find another priest(ess) of R'hllor and send her/him to Winterfell. I like your idea of her spreading the word about Jon and Beric meeting Jon seems very likely now that the Brotherhood is heading North.