Mrs. de Winter

Thea needs to purchase Quentin one of those new lifelike robots with Laurel's face. I am sure it would be just as convincing in acting as if it has real emotions and bonus - it would not be a cold blooded killer! The only way this Dinah crap will be worth it is if she kills BS and dies in the process. Let them scream each other to death. Or they can both leave town together (preferably taking Curtis and Rene with them). Just get rid of them all somehow - permanently.

I think it is that she has to wear 4 inch heels now - if she was 2 inches taller she would not have to which would make EBR happy.

Isn't two secrets herself? The BS island stuff and Vigilante.

Felicity should have punched Curtis in the face instead of slapping him. And should punch him in the face every chance she gets. I barely cared about the newbies before and the whining here basically cemented my desire for them to go away for good. The only thing I am not sure of at this point is which one I dislike the most. It is hard to choose when they all achieved such high levels of suck in this episode alone. So losing daddy at a young age made BS a psychopath? Ummm, no. If this was any other show I would be 100% sure that her letting QL go was a ploy and part of CJ's plan. But these writers are stupid enough to think that makes her redeemable. Of course the other big problem with trying to redeem her is KC doesn't have the skill to pull it off. Team villain has some major who cares (not unlike the newbies). CJ and Anatoly are the only two I have any interest in at all.

Here's hoping Arrow doesn't waste anytime on Barry or Iris.

It's Barry - I assume even if they had stayed on their honeymoon she would have been sexually frustrated Given Iris's actions at the funeral and Barry's endless time changing selfishness neither of them should be calling anyone else rude. But since they share the same rude, lacking in any self-awareness father, I guess I should not be surprised.

For me the correct term for a Nazi sympathizer is Nazi - particularly given his more than active participation in their plans. Barry can not kill all he wants - there is a lot of territory between killing Eobard and just letting him walk away. Which is why Barry retains the dumbass crown for letting him go.

The King and Queen part I believe from a quick glance at Twitter earlier. The comic book purist crowd (including apparently someone who draws for the GA comic book) were not pleased - and were implying that neither was SA based on his expression. Kudos to whoever got SA in the bunny outfit and kudos to him for being such a good sport about it.

This would have helped. My own justification is that they know better than to try and interfere in a world that is not theirs because even good intentions could have bad repercussions. Or at least people without the initials BA know this. Speaking of which - if the girl we saw really is Barry and Iris's daughter should she really be time traveling and (trying to) impact what happens in the past? Are there no rules for this type of thing (I no longer watch the Flash so sorry of this was covered)?

Because it was the hook that got them all together for the cross over. And it happened in the first hour and sharing the fact that Barry and Iris were getting married did not give away any substantial information about the rest of the cross over episodes? Lack of substance when it comes to Westallen is a function of the Flash writing staff and/or unrealistically high expectations of them when it comes to how they are going to write the relationship and its value relative to other priorities. Perhaps now that AK is gone and not firing (and harassing) people in the writing room on a regular basis that will improve.

Seriously. Just as dumbass. Perhaps now that they both have wives that are much smarter than they are they should ask Felicity and Iris about a place called the middle ground.

Which if fine. If Barry doesn't want to kill that's great and I don't have a problem with that. But there are certainly other options besides killing or letting a murder go. And Barry's inability to figure that out still earns him the dumbass crown. Again.

Barry once again proves he is the worst. I get that you don't want to kill people Barry but perhaps you could lock up the guy who you know has no issue killing people instead of letting him go. Dumbass. I love that Felicity was the one to propose to Oliver at the end - and love even more that Diggle was the one that married them which also meant they had family at their wedding. Sounds about right for E! Speaking of bad manners - perhaps Barry should have found someone else to perform the ceremony given that he freaking erased the existence of Diggle's daughter. #neverforgetbabysara

I think revolting covers it. That was surprisingly fun. It is amazing how much more enjoyable I find the show(s) when they take two seconds to allow the relationships to breathe. Still don't get Barry and Iris as a couple. Kept wondering during the rehearsal dinner - will Barry get Joe the father or father-in-law Christmas card? I will trade all of the Arrow newbies for Mick. Loved seeing CD but renewed my anger at the show that Tommy died for LL. What. A. Waste. I will take comfort in the fact that it worked out well for CD, even if I miss Tommy. The evil in me finds it funny that Oliver ended up on the island, in part, because he was running away from committing to a relationship. Now he is a wounded puppy over the fact that he cannot get the woman he loves to marry him.

I had the same thought. The only other one I can think of is Count Vertigo in season 2. And I would not count Slade since that was a set-up as you pointed out.

If his relationship with Earth X Kara is not a ruse, I would think the loss he learns from is that Earth X Oliver lost Felicity - either because she dies or he chooses evil over her or whatever. I am guessing Earth X Kara is someone Earth X Oliver has settled for - if they are really together at all. Or this really is AKs obsession with playboy Oliver - hopefully for the last damn time.

If I had any faith in the show I would think maybe Earth X Oliver, having fallen for Earth X Felicity, is now faking his role (including his relationship with Earth X Kara) and is actually helping the resistance. Earth X Felicity faked her death (Earth X Oliver "killed" her to prove his loyalty and ensure her safety) and is now working with not so bad Earth X Oliver to try and save her world. Similar to real Felicity helping real Oliver see he could be and do better (versus just killing everyone on the list). Oliver, since he needs to learn every lesson at least 12 billion times for it to stick, learns love is worth the risk (or something like that) and life is short and Felicity will always be his guiding star (or whatever the new quote is) no matter what or where, hence the wedding. But this show, is this show, so it is probably just for shock value that we get Kara and Oliver and Felicity's grave.

On an incredibly shallow note - EBR's hair looks amazing today. Like shampoo advertisement good. It is nice to see so many people who seem to be having such a good time. Thanks to everyone here who has been collecting the interactions/photos to share.

I assumed they know Earth-X Felicity is Jewish (and if the grave photos are real they do) - and so that means they know this Felicity is too.

I hope not too. But for these shows I have found prepare for the worst, hope for the best to be a sound philosophy.

I'm starting to worry that the reason Barry has to speed him to the wedding is that he stays behind in Star City for the rest of the crossover.

Wow - that was so boring it bordered on painful. Guess it was the drugs that made Slade interesting. At least Lyla and Diggle were interesting. Not interested in the new villain. Olicity and William were cute - but did Felicity say they had Rocky Road Ice Cream? Doesn't that have nuts in it? I am assuming I misunderstood since Felicity is allergic to nuts.

I assumed it was the word used by the person (or persons) who were actually there to describe their take on GB's words.

Well, he seems perfectly awful and clueless. Guess I can avoid the Christmas rush and start hating him now. Please ME don't let me down too.

That is totally fair and it was not my intent to say otherwise or tell people they should not try. I too have been speculating - its human nature and I think we all want to try and figure out how this type of thing could happen and how we make sure it doesn't happen again. I was reacting more to the idea of evidence that one or the other was more or less guilty than the other as I don't think we have evidence that says either MG or GB did anything wrong. I think there are scenarios where one, both, or neither are guilty (and all with varying degrees) and we can't, with what we know now, know which of those is correct. I would guess there are a fair number of people in the arrowverse who are likely not sleeping as well as they did a few nights ago. True - although I would assume everyone would have his email at least (which again, might be managed by an assistant so it didn't get to him). Perhaps they went to HR and, having been blocked, believed it would do no good to go further Or HR told them they went to Berlanti and he dismissed it - when in fact the HR person, in an effort to protect the company, never took it to GB. Or may be it was MG and he did go to GB personally and GB did nothing. I can move the pieces in a lot of ways and certainly have versions I think are more correct than others - but all of them have a lot of crucial missing information. Unfortunately, most days, neither am I. I keep telling myself hope is necessary - even in the face of a world that does not currently inspire much of it.