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There is nothing wrong with living in a hotel if you're happy with it. Kat's entire excuse regarding her struggle with choreography/performance was that "not having a home" was so hard and exhausting on her. To quote her directly during this episode: "living in a hotel? That was so hard." My point was that she could have easily rectified the situation weeks ago by making the choice she has now chosen (moving in with a rookie roommate). In addition, I was also calling complete BS on her struggles regarding having a kitten (whom she seemed to have no problem with shipping to the Midwest at the first opportunity). I personally think she's fake and I feel that her excuses have zero merit; that's all.

All I know is, I'm side-eyeing everything about Kat's entire cat/homeless storyline. It isn't that hard to find an apartment complex that will allow you to have one, small cat. I would know. Just last week she said she would never part with her cat. This week, she's all bright-eyed and enthusiastic while telling Judy and Kelly that she shipped her cat to Minnesota (?) to go live with a "friend." Lol okay. She's now rooming with another rookie. Shouldn't she have been doing this from the start? Why did it take 5 weeks for her to figure this out? I'm sorry for those who like Kat, but she honestly screams huge phony to me. There's something about her that grates me to no end. I'd rather watch Meredith weeping in front of a camera than listen to Kat's babbling, and that's saying something.

For the most part this episode left me exhausted, and not in a good way. The fact that they spent 80% of the time taking turns 'educating' and obsessing over Lee was unpleasant and overwhelming. As other posters have mentioned, I really wish they had let Kenny and maybe one other person say their piece about (and to) Lee, and then moved on. Instead, it turned into a weird, mob-like frenzy of who could get the next word in about racism, African American history, and the civil war -- all topped with the cherry of Rachel saying she wanted him to "exit stage left so that [they could] take it back stage" (which sounded more like an invitation to fight rather than a history lesson). Look, we all get that Lee is and was an a-hole. Most viewers figured that out a month ago. Most of us also know that a lot of his tweets are misogynistic and/or racist. Many of us already disliked him before the Tell All. I don't like the guy, but 20 versus 1 is never a fair fight, and I didn't want nor need to see it on my television for 30 minutes. They succeeded in humiliating him, but if they were truly concerned about educating him on the error of his thinking, I think a lot of people missed the ball park. Yelling at a man in front of an audience on National TV to the point where he is about to cry, is not going to change his mind about anything. The only one who handled it with grace tonight was Kenny, and I could see him and Lee (hopefully) having a real dialogue about what happened off-screen, later down the road. Edited: Grammar

Bryan is just so smarmy! Rachel clearly adores him, but I have trouble taking anything he says seriously. Bryan: "When we peel back those layers, it's gonna be that [much] more special. Like, do you realize how it's gonna be?" Rachel: "...No." Bryan: "You don't, you don't; that's the thing, so --" Rachel: "Do you?" Bryan: "I can envision it." Rachel: "Okay." Bryan: "And it's magical." Groan.

Perhaps this has already been addressed and I just missed it, but is there a reason why none of the cast members who witnessed these events decided to step in before things turned ugly? It's great that a few of them are talking about how "concerned" they were in hindsight, but couldn't they have walked up to either Corinne or DeMario in the moment and said -- "hey, it looks like things are getting a bit out of control; come take a walk with me." Or if Corinne and DeMario were too inebriated to walk away from the situation, then the cast members should have put them to bed. Seriously. It seems almost hypocritical for cast members to whine about producers not doing anything (despite them relaying their concerns) when they had JUST as much power to intervene. There's a lot of shifting blame and finger pointing going on here.

Well, if I learned anything at all this episode, it's that Blake did have a "little bit of Whaboom" in him after all. That furious "whaboom" he did (hair and arms flailing about) was quite the spectacle.

I still adore Peter, Dean, Kenny (and others) as the right-reason front runners — but the wrong-reason viewer in me was inexplicably entertained by the argument between Lexi and DeMario: Rachel: "And how did you cut it off with her?" DeMario: "Face-to-face. I went over to her house; I explained to her that look, you and I are just going to—" Lexi: "on my father's grave...never, ever on my—both of my kittens sleeping in my house right now, on my brother and my dad, my father's grave... Last time he was in my house, he was f***ing me." Stay classy, ABC. Stay classy.

Rachel is such a breath of fresh air when it comes to being the Bachelorette. She appears to be articulate, coherent, intelligent, and knows how to roll with the punches (or, in her case, tickles). Her casting is a huge step up from the beautiful but glassy-eyed Joelle, and the energetic but painfully crass Kaitlyn. I hope think she'll do a good job of carrying this season. It's too early for me to pinpoint favorites amongst the men, but Bryan reminds me of Josh Murray and makes me feel a bit uncomfortable - despite him being physically attractive. I really like Peter, as well as the cherubic Dean.

I'm surprised they've announced it already. They've essentially spoiled the rest of the season, as we all know who Nick's two favorites are — and if one of them is the next Bachelorette, well... there you go.

Perhaps it was the wine, but I enjoyed this trainwreck debacle of an episode. I went from cringing (Corrine), to getting teary-eyed over the thought of Danielle finding her fiance dead from an overdose, to cringing again (Liz), to applauding Nick for not dealing with Liz's BS. Unlike past seasons (cough, cough JoJo; Ben; Kaitlyn; Chris) I actually watched the episode from start to finish without falling asleep or doing chores to amuse myself. Not to mention, there were little moments where Nick just felt ... real. Seeing him briefly get lost in the moment when he showed the ring he chose for Kaitlyn; having him talk about his vulnerability with Danielle; even seeing him get genuinely uncomfortable and embarrassed while Liz did her "break up skit," reminded me that at the end of the day, Nick is just a guy who got his heart broken twice on national television and had the sense to profit from the rejection. I'm excited for this season. It seems like a healthy mix of right/wrong reason contestants, and it's not as obvious as Ben and Lauren, or JoJo and Jordan were.

Maybe I'm just giving Jared the benefit of the doubt, but I feel as though he may have said something similar to what Ashley's narrating but... different. Basically I picture her pressuring him to explain why he's not into her. Jared, being the "nice" guy ("nice" is up for debate), probably didn't want to hurt her feelings by saying "because I don't find you attractive in a sexual or romantic way." So instead of being upfront and honest, he went ahead and made up a BS reason along the lines of: "You're just such a good friend that I'd never want to jeopardize our friendship by dating one another. If something went wrong, I wouldn't want to lose you as a friend." Ashley probably heard those words and in her mind, believed him to be professing some sort of deeper love (a la "he couldn't stand not having her in his life.") Ugh, it's just a train wreck all the way around.

I was genuinely excited during two points in this episode: 1) When Jared said he was contemplating leaving in the first ten minutes of the episode. 2) When Ashley didn't get a rose and was 'sent home.' Unfortunately, my excitement was short lived in both instances. I know the producers love juicy drama but the whole Jared/Ashley story line has run dry. Ashley's waterworks were mildly entertaining during Chris Soules' season, and I could tolerate them in BIP2, but at this point it's just become predictable and grating. Also I find it odd how she's always sobbing when talking about 'love,' and grinning maniacally when she's trashing other women (this time it's Caila; last season it was Clare; and before that it was Britt/Kelsey). It's okay to dislike other women who are "pursuing your guy," but her glee over disliking people is weird. Remember when she called Clare old and undesirable? (Clare was in her early 30s I think.) Even if it is all an act, you've got to have a couple of screws lose to agree to come off as such a lunatic on television.

I'm going to blame both Ashley and Jared for the mess that is their ... friendship? On/off again relationship? Whatever they want to call it. Jared knows what he's doing by stringing Ashley along and it's gotten old. I don't know what his excuse is, but he needs to put on his responsible big boy pants and tell Ashley how he feels, point blank-- no ifs, buts, or maybe's. Then he needs to stick by his word, even after filming. On the other hand, Ashley is a 28-year-old woman who should understand that being infatuated with someone does not make a relationship. It takes two to tango. No matter how badly you want a prince charming, and no matter how many mixed signals he sends you in real life, if he's rejecting a romantic relationship with you on national television then get some self respect, dry your eyes, and move on. I've witnessed more functional high school relationships in my life.

I think Caila's allure is that she's a breath of fresh air on these types of shows - physically and personality-wise. She doesn't plaster her face with a ton of makeup, or decorate her hair in obvious extensions, or sport long artificial nails, or "enhance" her eyes with spidery eyelash extensions. (There's nothing wrong with any of those things per-say, but the fact that she's so natural definitely stands out in a good way.) She's also genuinely sweet and doesn't seem to talk about other women behind their backs or say things like, "I'm prettier than ___" or "I'm sweeter than ____," or "she's so _______." Caila just comes across as a kind, all american, easygoing, girl-next-door. The twins are pretty in a bleached-blonde, heavily made up, Vegas type of way (extensions, faux nails, heavy eyeliner and all) but Caila is just... fresh. It's not something you can necessarily buy or pretend to be. I can see why the guys like her.

I wanted to love this first episode of BIP3 but all I felt was a mixture of horror, disgust, and sadness as I watched their first day/night unfold. I honestly wanted to give Chad the benefit of the doubt coming into this season because I found his snark on The Bachelorette to be entertaining, but seeing his immediate downward crash into an alcoholic, abusive, aggressive, belligerent mess was disturbing. I have no idea if it was set up by producers (and Lace), or if events just unfolded that way due to an excess of alcohol, but I just don't find it entertaining to watch a plastered man "who has nothing [in his life]" (his words) berating women, threatening men, joking about rape and murder (according to Daniel), passing out on the beach, blacking out, and crapping his pants (according to Vinny/Nick). It's not cute, it's not funny, it's not a joke; it's sad, upsetting, and for the sake of everyone (Chad included) I hope he quits reality TV until he gets his shit together. No pun intended.

I'm just... so underwhelmed.

This was a mess. I'm honestly speechless that Wes and Nany lost to Dario and she-who-wears-too-much-makeup during the elimination round. Was Wes not trying? He was going so slowly, at first I thought it must be strategy - but then I realized that he was just sucking. At crawling. The whole Nany/cousin situation irked me to no end. Did Nany forget how her cousin threw her under the bus in order to protect some boy she'd just met? I can understand not wanting to rough your cousin up, but this entire show is a game -- at least try to win it. Lord. Last but not least, Cheyenne is startlingly nonathletic. I rolled my eyes at their plan to "pull every skull until [they got] the black one" because Cheyenne -- as sweet as she is -- is just plain bad at physical challenges. She has no upper arm or leg strength (remember their first elimination?) and she apparently begins vomiting violently whenever she has to do any endurance. Don't vote yourself in if you're going to lose. I'm glad they didn't go ahead with that idiotic plan, but they have no chance of winning this overall game.

As I was watching this episode, I couldn't help but feel as though all of the guys were just different versions of the same archetype. They're truly interchangeable Ken Dolls who come with various clothing and 'sets.' Their hairstyle, hair color, eye color, height, and mannerisms are all eerily similar. Robby: The Classic Ken Doll. From Florida. Comes with perfectly plastic hair and an assortment of pastel button downs. Accessories include brightly colored wine tumblers (so Ken) and flip flops. Chase: The Outdoorsy Ken. From Colorado. Comes with a portable rock to sit upon and a flannel shirt over gray long-sleeves. Accessories include a snowman (because outdoors) and loafers. Luke: The Country Ken. From Texas. Comes with a cowboy hat and a plaid shirt (sleeves rolled up halfway, to differentiate himself from Chase). Accessories include cowboy boots and a guitar. Horse sold separately. Jordan: The Jock Ken. From California. Comes with skinny jeans and a football. Accessories include two jackets; one leather, the other a Varsity Jacket. Also includes a photo of his family with one brother blurred out. Blurred brother sold separately - in high demand. I realize it's the producers' jobs to give us stereotypes of different people, but they have truly outdone themselves this season. Jojo definitely has a physical type!

Just a random thought: have we heard any real conversations between JoJo and the contestants about a possible future together? Do we know any of their career or family-orientated aspirations? How many children they want to have? Where they might want to live, should relocation be required (I know Luke lives in Texas, but Texas is a huge state -- and Jordan is in California, so would JoJo be willing to leave her family and move there)? What they're looking for in a lifelong partner? What their fears, passions, and dreams are? Hobbies, favorite movies, favorite animals, favorite trips they've taken, fondest family memories? Where they see themselves in ten years? Anything? Sure, we know that Jordan played football, Jordan likes football, and Jordan wants a career that revolves around talking about football. We know that Luke grew up on a farm, served in the army, and is now an aspiring musician. Chase does... sales or something. Robby used to swim and seems to enjoy male fashion and styling his own hair. But it all feels so superficial and surface level. I don't feel like I actually know anything important about anyone left on this show, and so it's impossible to care at all. I don't even know anything about JoJo, besides the fact that she likes dogs, doing her makeup, and has two protective older brothers.

The most interesting part of this episode was learning that Chase could beatbox (during the bus rap). I think I saw more personality and talent (lol) during those 30 seconds than I've seen throughout most of this season. Perhaps the show should just feature this group of contestants trapped on a bus, as it seems to bring out more charm than JoJo is able to.

I realize I may be the odd one out but ... I love Quinn -- as manipulative, twisted, evil, and selfish as she may be. Whether you love her or hate her, she is the true creator of Everlasting -- "a legend [amongst legends]" as John Booth stated. I adored the moment when she stepped in and stole the spotlight from Coleman and Rachel at the gala, during the very moment they were essentially trying to sell themselves as "pioneers" within the very show they did not create. Duplicates are never as good as the original, and for that reason I will always be on Quinn's side (no matter how much I may dislike her during various moments).

It was incredibly frustrating seeing JoJo get all googly-eyed when Jordan finally professed his "feelings" for her on the staircase. He sounded like a robot just reciting the things a man in love should say: "I want to get engaged at the end of this. I have feelings for you." You could practically see the delusional gears turning in her head as she convinced herself to believe his phony speech. At this point she has to know he's insincere but she just doesn't care... because he's Jordan Rodgers (as James T so keenly observed). Denial has never been so strong.

Alex is truly a spiteful little character and he seems to be getting progressively worse. I hope he'll get sent home next week. Props to Derek for pulling the clique aside and being straight-forward and honest with them; I rolled my eyes when Jordan got all defensive with the whole "it's petty and a non-issue" response. Clearly it was an issue for Derek, or else he wouldn't have brought it up. Instead of hearing him out, the clique got all whiny and aggressive with "ur wastin' our precious timeee..." even though JoJo was nowhere in sight. Truly obnoxious and a lame excuse for not hearing someone out like a rational adult. And I appreciated Wells standing up for Derek, even when it was quite clearly against the popular vote. This group is honestly so disappointing for the most part. There are some dreadful personalities (or lack thereof) but I suppose JoJo doesn't care about personality, seeing as how she's so smitten with Jordan.

First I'd like to mention that my initial comment was not directed at you or anyone specifically for that matter. :) I've seen comments on this board and on the Bachelorette Facebook page actually calling Chad these things, and my comment was more a general thought I had rather than a response to anything in particular. This relates to one of my initial points and my personal opinion is that reality TV counts as fairly shoddy evidence (for anything). We also have 'evidence' of Chad begging the other men to leave him alone -- and not in an aggressive way. We have full scenes of him politely (almost in exasperation) saying "I'll do my thing, and you do your thing -- deal?" (Evan ignored this deal, by the way.) We have scenes of him sitting alone, drinking a beverage, and then being surrounded by a group of men who start accusing him of any and everything they can think of. We have scenes of Alex calling him over to a group of guys, just to rapid fire him with questions about what he was doing outside -- and then harassing him when his answers weren't long enough. Later, Grant mocks Chad for not answering in enough detail again. We have tons of scenes of the other men starting sh*t -- whether it be mocking his eating habits, calling him stupid, making fun of his [supposed] steroid use in a public setting, calling him a "big stinking pile of sh*t sitting over here" (Alex's exact words), laughing at his workouts through the window, following him around, dogging him, talking behind his back and going silent the minute he enters a room, etc. We have scenes of him getting up and walking away, instead of escalating a situation initially started by other men (once during a cocktail when he was surrounded randomly, and once on a couch with Evan and a group of guys who were asking "why are you even here?"). We have scenes of him asking other people not to talk about him in a negative way, and then frames of them doing exactly that. For Pete's sake, we saw Evan point-blank try to manipulate JoJo into choosing him [Evan] over Chad. Does that necessarily mean all of those other men in the house are terrible, aggressive bullies and emotional manipulators in real life? No. Because it's a TV show. I haven't seen anyone on here blatantly making excuses for his violent behavior. Just about everyone agrees that he acted out of line more than once. But you can't only focus on his angry outbursts without also looking at all of the [manipulated] situations and drama that surrounded them. But I digress. Anyway, we can agree to disagree! Cheers.

I'll admit to looking at Chad's Instagram page and I can't help but feel that he was a very good actor during his Bachelorette stint. Either that or he's calmed down immensely since filming wrapped up (therapy? quitting the steroids? self reflection?). He has an Instagram video of himself genuinely laughing at himself on the show, with the caption "I finally watched the show at my sisters... Holy tits now I understand why some people hate me! haha. But some parts were hilarious too." Basically what I'm getting at is, I think it's unfair and unwise to label the man akin to being an abuser, psychopath, serial-killer, etc. based on what we see on television. All humor aside, those are very serious labels (especially the abuser/wife-beater one) to apply to someone we do not know. Was he angry on the show? Yes. Did he have reason to be? Maybe. Does that mean he's going to end up beating his wife in the long run or murdering a stranger? Lord no. It's easy to make assumptions from our couches (and I'll admit that I'm guilty of doing this as well) but let's just take the show for what it is -- a reality TV show with master manipulation, clever editing, and entertaining pawns. Edited to add: He also posted a video showing where the producers got his creepy wood whistle from. Apparently it's from a Skrillex song. Some more smart editing on our dear producers' parts, it appears.