Night Cheese

I really loved it. I can't say that I've ever enjoyed anything that Miley has ever sang, but I thought this was a great rendition. I've been a Brittany fan for a while so I was super pleasantly surprised by this duet. I too wish it was on Spotify. If you liked Brittany's sound, her band Alabama Shakes is great. She's lead singer and guitarist and is awesome. I don't have much to add that wasn't covered already. Sandler's song made me tear up. It's crazy how great of a performer he is when he's not doing his silly "skipidoty doo, blamity boo" nonsense. I thought Kim K was Nasim Pedrad (whom I think is naturally very beautiful) at first and asked Mr. Night Cheese what she'd done to her face. He had to tell me it was a Kardashian (he can't tell the difference between the 3 or know their first names), not Nasim. Was Nasim there? Did anyone catch her in the goodnights?

The scene with Santos and the dad reminded me of the ER scene with Mark in the elevator alone with the Rampage gunman who he pretended to shock and let die. Intubated, unable to talk, eyes wide with fear. Nevertheless, it did nothing to make me like her more. She just seems like a bully and a jerk. Child molestation storylines on any show or movie make me sick to my stomach, so I'm choosing to believe her talk scared him enough to stop, but I don't know why she would think that would actually work. It's not like she can check up on the daughter later.

This was my only gripe with the episode. It was obvious that the random parking lot guy was going to be puzzle guy. But how the scene overlapped with the Roman info, I was like, "holy crap, Roman is puzzle guy!!" And then went, "wait, no, that doesn't make sense. Roman is not a psychopath, he was getting diapers when he disappeared." I'll have to go back and watch when I have the chance, but I didn't think they executed the last couple minutes very well. Aside from that, I did kind of side-eye the gala time frame. It looked like when Morgan showed up it was mid-afternoon, but the next scene it was dark dark. Daphne said Oz hadn't been answering his phone for an hour, so even if it this was happening in mid-summer when the days are long, it takes a couple hours to go from bright and sunny to dark dark. Then it looked like it was basically dawn when Oz was recovering in the back of the ambulance? I dunno... I liked the episode a lot though.

Thank you. I realized from your post that I meant to type Henri-Christian, but you've confirmed that he's in the show too. I'd also prefer of he didn't die in the show.

I just started this a few days ago. I think I'm halfway through season 1. I'm finding the show pretty good. The basic concept of generational culture clash more or less transcends time, only the details change, so this holds up pretty well. I would have been 26 or 27 when the show started, so it's not lost on me that if this show were made today it would feature my gen (millennial) pretending to be a gen-Zer and navigating the world of TikTok and whatever other genZ stereotypes they want to throw in there. I was shocked at first that this wasn't an Amy Sherman-Paladino show, but now several episodes in I realize it's not nearly witty enough to be an ASP project. It definitely had her writing style and overall vibe at first. The wonderful-as-always Sutton Foster plays Liza as a fish-out-of-water that is still somehow effortlessly cool. I guess that's because Sutton Foster is effortlessly cool. That said, how long can this pretend to be in her 20s act hold up? SF, while beautiful and youthful, doesn't pass for 26 at all, so the whole premise is pretty unrealistic. Will we see Liza in her mid-40s having a "dirty 30" party just because she has to keep up the pretense? Does her daughter ever return from India and wonder wtf is going on? I'm going to keep watching because it's an easy background show, but I hope that in future seasons more characters learn about her con.

Thanks for sharing that. I don't follow any of DG's social media or blog because I find her sense of self-importance extremely off-putting, so I appreciate when people share things like this that I would never see otherwise. It's interesting to me that she's been publicly throwing Roberts under the bus following the finale. I wonder how much consulting or involvement she and the Exec Producers have in this show, because from her recent comments I get the sense that he's the only one calling any of the shots here. Caitriona and Sam are both executive producers and Diana has a consulting credit. Does anyone outside of Roberts have any input? Is Marill still involved at all? Also, she's really ramped up her objections after the internet outrage at/fallout from the storyline, whereas in the immediate aftermath she acknowledged that it was a storyline for a work that never materialized and that she gave Roberts the idea. I found that interesting. Anyway, her publicly nitpicking and crapping on the show is basically in line with what I expect from her, so this comes as no surprise to me. What is interesting though is that she's really hitting hard how displeased she is with Roberts changing the Faith storyline, which makes me think it won't be walked back in the Prequel, but will in fact be a part of the show's canon. Because surely she's knows what's going to happen in the Prequel series and wouldn't be so public about her unhappiness if she knew it would be resolved in the Prequel series, right? I agree. Does Germaine even exist in the show? I think I asked that in another episode thread but no one answered. He's such a great character in the books.

In the show (and real life? I don't know) there is a prophecy that a Scot will rise to the throne after a 200 year old baby is killed. In season 3 when Claire runs into Geillis in Jamaica, she learns that Claire went back through the stones while pregnant, and gave birth in 1948. Geillis believed that Brianna is the 200 year old baby because she was conceived 200 years before she was born. So she wanted to kill Brianna (by going back to the 1960s, I guess?) to kill Brianna and allow a Scot to ascend to the throne. That's why Claire killed her.

Eliza Coupe! I don't know what character she's playing, but I already hope she becomes recurring or even a part of the main cast.

Since there are non-book readers here looking for more book context, I'd add also that the fantastical/magic elements are more prevalent in the books than the show. It's understood that Claire is really some type of "white witch" who just hasn't fully come into her powers yet. Bree and family meet a traveler in 1739 who has powers. Master Raymond used some sort of dark magic to heal Claire (although that one is in the show as well as the books). So is it a stretch that Master Raymond took Faith, healed her, and raised her? Not really. Is it straight out of fanfic? Absolutely. There's probably dozens of fanfics with the same exact premise. It's also pretty cruel to steal a baby like that and make a mother think her baby is dead, complete with gravestone. There's a lot of mystery still to be revealed about Raymond, St Germain, Fergus, Percy Beauchamp, etc. that I'd rather see explored than bringing Faith back from the dead. I just hope Diana lives long enough to publish whatever she needs to publish in order to tie up all those loose ends. I doubt we see it in the show, but hopefully we see it in print.

Maybe they didn't want to rehash the spouse comes back from the "dead", what to do about this current marriage storyline that we had with Jamie/Claire/Laoghaire from season 3. Obviously John wouldn't fight anyone about it or demand alimony and whatever else like Laoghaire did, but it's basically the same storyline all over again.

I didn't hate this episode as much as, seemingly, the entire internet did. The Faith lives thing is straight out of fanfic, but honestly, I feel like with 10 episodes left, if they can end the show with Faith somehow still being alive and making her way to the Ridge and Jamie and Claire having their whole family there, together, I'd be ok with that ending. Even as I type that, I'm mentally acknowledging just how *truly* fanfic-y it is, but whatever. I guess it's possible that it all gets walked back and explained away in the prequel series. I didn't realize that series was filmed, let alone ready to premiere this year. But I think my 6 months of Starz will be up before it premieres, so I'll have to check the internet for any Faith stuff that comes from it. Aside from that, I really loved the John/Claire scene. I could watch a whole hour of them just talking. I'm honestly thankful for David Berry and the Outlander directors for helping make a character that I am, at best, indifferent to in the books, to one that I really love on-screen. The girl that played Fanny was a real treat as well. Kudos to the casting director(s) for finding her. I thought the Jamie/William scene was nicely done and well acted by both. William's identity crisis in the books reads to me as more bratty and petulant than sympathetic, but the actor does a good job with his material. He's still bratty and petulant, but the actor brings something more to the character. Overall I thought 7B was really strong. I liked MOBY a lot and thought the writers did well to condensing down books 7 and 8 for this season. I'll be back for season 8. Here's an article where DG talks about giving the showrunners the Faith lives idea while also subtly crapping on the show and this episode. https://parade.com/tv/outlander-season-7-diana-gabaldon-finale-shocker

Oh, most definitely. I wasn't denying it was discussed, I was one of those discussing it. I was just providing some context. It seemed so fast to me in the book when DG brought it up and then waived it off.

I think in Bees Jamie and Claire briefly discuss the possibility that Faith was Fanny's mother, but quickly dismiss it. There wasn't an out and out "Faith lived!" declaration.

I'd love that too, especially if this was initially envisioned as the series finale before the show got renewed for S8.

I for one was pretty upset when I sat down with my coffee this morning to watch this episode, only to find out from Google that this episode is pushed back to the 17th. 🤨

As a fan of both shows, I liked it. I think the only issue was the 22 minute time frame which didn't do the characters or stroylines any justice. Typically with a Sunny episode, there's the 5 of them and there's usually 2-3 storylines per episode, with 2-3 characters being a part of each storyline. Here we had the gang paired up with a person from Abbott, so basically 5 storylines (although Dennis is hardly a stroyline), which made the pace of the episode frenetic. But I thought the writers did well to capture each character's essence. Dee is cool and nice on the surface, but really she's a psychopath. Dennis is a creep and a predator. Frank is a complete wacko (batteries are robot food, need to make the dirt appetizing, anything with urine). Mac is always looking for the best way to come out on top, no morals or scruples. Charlie is doing Charlie Work, also he's illiterate and of course Bird Law. They revealed these characters' true personalities and characteristics pretty well in 22 min.

Thanks, I'll have to go back and rewatch the last couple of episodes. I may have already mentally checked out after hearing it was canceled. 😕

I just finished ESPN's 30 for 30 on the Boston-LA rivalry and it really, really made me mad that HBO canceled Winning Time because I really wanted to see how they portrayed the rest of the decade. I don't even think they got to the 84 Finals.

I believe he was in the first part of Season 7. It was definitely during the Revolution, I believe when Jamie was serving as a sniper. He was injured and Claire healed him and then she told Jamie who he was and how the name Benedict Arnold becomes synonymous with "traitor". I'm really not surprised Claire knows Lafayette and major things that happen during the Revolution. It's a huge deal in Boston and living there for 20 years with a historian husband and raising a daughter, she'd just pick up most things by osmosis. I grew up in the Philly suburbs and went to college in Boston--its hard not to be immersed with Revolutionary history living in the northeast. I think Claire admitted not knowing a lot about the specifics of the Regulators and mini-rebellions in the Carolinas in one of the earlier seasons (4 or 5?). I thought that was appropriate.

This season's Scotland scenes with Jamie standing next to a fully greyed Ian while still rocking his naturally red (albeit lighter now that he's older) hair was wild to me. I also never understood how, in the 1960s scenes, Claire often wore glasses, but now we get Jamie teasing her about needing spectacles. I assume her needing spectacles is about needing reading glasses, and that she was near-sighted in the 60s scenes because she wore them driving, but how did her near-sightedness go away when she went back to the 1760s?

Yep, Jamie and Claire being seemingly the only people in the entire city of Philadelphia is remarkable. And we also got Benedict Arnold this season. When the Marquis mentioned dancing with the Queen, I said in my best Claire voice, "well I slept with the King and even got an orange afterwards!" You're not alone. Seems like as much as I want to care about William and his life, Diana always assures me that she will be writing the most boring storylines for him that I can just skip right over. Looks like the show has adopted this as well.

Well I was wrong about them skipping the Percy Beauchamp storyline. John's eye repair wasn't nearly as gruesome as in the books and actually more tame than some of the surgical scenes in the show. Other than that... not much happened. Of course Claire just stumbles upon the Marquis de Lafayette. She always seems to be in the absolute right time at the absolute right moment, without fail.

Oh right, thank you!

I'm just glad Ian/Cormac is fleecing grieving women of their life insurance payouts, because for a while there I was really worried he was a sexual predator who was trying to eliminate Grace to get to Blanaid. He's still an awful person in just about every respect, but at least I don't think his goal was to molest Blanaid. I feel like Houlihan is just as annoying as the insurance brother last season. They both are correct in their instincts, it's just that their incessant need to get to the truth of the matter interferes with our Garvey sisters sloppily covering up all of their actions and missteps. But I need to go back and watch the first couple episodes of this season because I don't really understand why the police (guards) are investigating The Prick's death two years after the fact.

I would *love* that! They do have some really good chemistry, and on-screen Denzell is much more interesting than bookDenzell (imo). I somewhat think it's because the actor is much easier on the eyes than the plain Quaker that I always pictured in the book character.