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Not mention that Aria was worried it would come up at Charlotte's hearing. How would that have discredited the Lairs at all? If anyone is legally responsible for what happened to Sara, it would Sara, because she was only electrocuted because she was trying to set off a bomb.

Wow you have to love Pretty Little Liars. What was it thirty six hours ago we were all saying that we did not want the show to have Emily be sick? How all they seem to do is heap bad things on Emily? That after last season we have no faith in this show to handle a serious illness well. And what does this show go and do? They give Emily cancer, at least from the looks of it (watch its a fake out and she only has a vitamin deficiency). Extra points for Hanna's off hand comment about Emily being the one to throw up night they were all together. "No Aria, I wasn't super drunk, that was just Emily with a terminal illness." But seriously I thought Shay did a really good job with the scene at her dad's grave. If only they had toned down the suffering in her life, that scene would have worked well as a "I need to move on with my life but I find it hard to let go" instead of "Every terrible thing possible has happened me". The good acting goes for the rest of the Lairs. I liked the season between Hanna and Aria at the beginning, even though I knew Aria was not the killer, Ashley and Lucy sold me on the tension between the two characters. As for the other story lines, this episode felt like business as usual for the show, though I guess the show does feel a little more fresh now that the writers are not dragging out the same mystery and drama for like thirty episodes longer than they planned.

Not to mention that this show really should not try to tackle something like a young adult with a serious illness. This show has botched everything from abusive relationships to transgender issues to mental illness, so I really do not trust them to handle chronic or life threatening illness well . I honestly used to wish this show would be a little darker and serious, but after the Charlotte reveal, the show just seems to turn any major real world issue into a major downer without the satisfaction of watching a well acted or written dramatic story line. If this show is going to continue to be mediocre at best, then I vote for fluff or at least somewhat hopeful story arcs.

Exactly and I don't know why the writers tried to fit this thing into the, what, half hour they were at Radley during the final. Anything they could have done is a) justified because Sara was about to set off a bomb b) a complete accident or c) so out of character it would make no sense. Maybe it could have made sense if whatever happened took place after Sara was released and the Lairs were just acting paranoid. Like maybe: Sara was creeping around Emily's house the Lairs freak out, kidnap her, accidentally breaking her hand in the process Sara explains she was trying to get back something she left at Emily's and could not ask because of her parole The Lairs don't believe her and keep her overnight Finally the Lairs decide she is telling the truth and drop for off at a hospital or something It doesn't really work, but it sounds better than any options the writers have. Whatever the answer is it would have to make sense for the Lairs' characters (i.e. not torture), be something illegal so they would be afraid of the cops finding out, and have take place at Radley during the final. I got nothing.

I'm reaching here, but maybe she signed something that said she was not of sound mind when she was working for Charlotte, which meant that she got a reduced sentence and also means any testimony she gives relating to that period is worthless because if she was so mentally disturbed she could not judge what was morally right or wrong, then she was also too mentally disturbed to give reliable testimony. In other words, even if Sara wanted to testify that Charlotte was a terrible person, a team of doctors had already said that Sara was so mentally disturbed she could have thought Charlotte was the antichrist and Sara agreed with the doctors. Again I'm reaching.

So maybe I am way off base but I thought most prescription drugs that people abused were in the pill form, pain killers and what not. I always thought if you were injecting your high you were not getting it from a doctor, at least not in the long run. Not to mention that fact that Emily drank and wasn't a complete train wreck so I find it hard to believe she was taking pills and shooting up at the same time (though Spencer technically did consume three drugs during the premier). So I was thinking maybe Emily has something similar to her dad's heart problems and is taking something to stop or prevent the onset. It would make sense why she does not want to talk about it and explain why she dropped out of college, i.e. she's depressed about the fact she might have health complication relatively early in life. Then again the writers probably are doing the most obvious thing possible, in which case everyone else is right. Even that does not make sense. It would mean the Lairs smashed Sara's hands to get revenge for her helping Charlotte and then two minutes later begged Charlotte to not kill herself and said they forgive her. My best guess is the line was meant to suggest that Sara could show up and talk about what a psycho Charlotte was and then nothing the Lairs could say would matter. Either way that line (and a few others this episode) made no sense.

You're right of course, and this will all be revealed the night before Alison's wedding, with the Lairs present and wearing gorgeous brides maid dresses. The Liars will then spend the next half season tracking down Dr. Rollins, but when they finally corner him, plot twist, he did not kill Charlotte, only isolate and manipulate Alison so he could write a groundbreaking case study. Now the only things left to figure out is who really killed Charlotte and the over-under on Alison forgiving Dr. Rollins. Two words: time warp. I am sure they plan to have the last 35 to 60 episodes take place in the course of week. That or the Liars will be in possession of another shovel and and spend the rest of the season on parole. God I missed snarking on this show.

Ok I will be nice to the writers for once, I liked the premiere, at least everything happening with the characters. Emily and Toby had their first scene together since season three. We got Caleb and Toby guy bonding. The Lairs friendship is as enjoyable as ever. I don't even mind Ezra right now; he has a real reason to be emotional now. Emily's mysterious pills will hopefully be something she is prescribed and the reveal there is that she has depression instead of substance abuse story line number 4. Lastly Spencer and Caleb have crazy chemistry as friends and it seems like Caleb and Hanna had already broken up when him and Spencer got together, so for now I am ok with the story line. Hey, hey, I was expecting them to make out in the lobby of the hotel Hanna was staying at, so the show could have been worse, but, yes this show is never subtle. The only thing I did not really like was the setup for the new mystery. I feel like I have no reason to care. We barely new Charlotte, so the only reason I care that she is dead is because I thought they were going to redeem/develop her character. Its not like Ali where they could develop her through flashbacks and her relationship to the Lairs. For suspects we have Mona, Sara, and the Lairs. The Lairs did not do it. Mona was already the big bad, and Sara is way to obvious, so the answer to the mystery already looks like it is going to be pulled out of someones ass. Also I really am not interested in what this is going to do to Ali. She already spends so much time acting completely serious that the character has not been any fun in at least a season. Maybe if Charlotte had stayed alive, Ali could have gone back to her old ways to keep Charlotte off the list of suspects, but now it looks like more mopping for at least half a season.

That's probably what is bothering me the most about the new season. The writers have spent the past couple of seasons doing things that felt more like stunts that actual solid story arcs. They always have something really big for the season beginning but then everything settles into similar filler story lines. For example, they revealed that Alison was alive, which seemed like an interesting setup for the upcoming half season but then they really did not do anything with it, at least until the last two or three episodes when the Lairs final went to New York and got her. The same goes for when they brought Alison back and again when they reintegrated her into the group. Nothing really changed about the Lairs or the mystery and the show just ended up being padded out with a lot of filler.I am hoping that since the show only has a season and a half left (hopefully), the writers will actually develop the characters and resolve mysteries and story lines, instead of sending the girls around in circles for entire seasons.

I feel like this might have come up in one of the other threads, but is anyone else bothered that the Lairs haven't all been together since they left for college. I mean I get that people drift apart, there are a ton of people I haven't seen since high school, but my core group of friends still gets together every couple of months to hangout and the only thing bonding us together is the fact we have been friends for 15 years. I would imagine after everything that happened with A the girls would have stayed in touch, if for no other reason than needing a support system after everything that happened to them.

True though I was thinking of Hanna's random turn towards being a genius. The writers fairly clearly showed that Hanna being the fashion obsessed queen bee was her compensating for her insecurities and that she was hiding the fact that she was smart. Now that doesn't mean she necessarily would have gone into one of the hard sciences but I thought the writers were going to have her do something with science or technology to show how much she had changed. Also Spencer spent the past like four seasons rebelling against her family, but she seems to have gone into the field that most closely embodies everything she hates about her family. I guess my complainant isn't entirely about the fields that the girls choose but also that the writers seemed to have regressed the characters back to who they were at the start of season 1, which I found particularly frustrating with Hanna and Spencer who are were portrayed as extremely intelligent and, in Spencer's case, hardworking. Again I know that in large part that has to do with the mediocre writing on this show, but it still bothers me. I think they are considered harsher because most people genuinely think they are harder and that was the case when liberal arts were almost as male dominated as hard science and maths. There is some sexism at work but I doubt it's a major factor. Also I would just like to add that nursing, a field that is overwhelming female, is considered one of the hardest, if not the hardest, undergraduate degrees. Nursing or premed actually would have been a good fit for Spencer if they wanted to have her choose something other than law or business.

So I was not sure if I should post this here or in the S06 E00 thread, but this seem like a bigger issue than just that one episode. When I watched the sneak peak with Alison and Mona, it struck me that this shows is weird about women's intelligence. The show has five characters who are women and who's intelligence ranges from high school valedictorian to genius, but none of them really did anything with that intelligence in the five years fast forward. Hanna, despite the fact she scored high enough on the SAT's to get into Ivy League schools without studying, went to school for fashion. Spencer, class valedictorian, went into politics. Mona, who taught herself how to hack computers and phones, also went into politics. Alison, who planned a ridiculous amount of schemes and plans when she was fourteen, is an english teacher Charlotte, was able to make hundreds of thousands of dollars by teaching herself stock brokering and economics, is now a mental patient. (I get that Charlotte couldn't really accomplish much being locked in a mental institution, but they still made her one of the smartest characters on the show) I just feel like with all the crazy stuff this show tries to convince us that these girls are smart enough to do, shouldn't one or two of them be an engineer or scientist or at the very least attending grad school? I am not trying to say there is anything wrong with liberal arts or social science degrees, but shouldn't at least some of the girls want to do something like physics or computer engineering that is generally considered a more challenging degree? It just seems like the only time one of the girls is intelligent, its portrayed as bad or at least a source of conflict, but never positive. Mona, Ali and Charlotte were basically evil geniuses. Spencer had a mental breakdown in part because of her overachiever type A personality. Hanna started being smart just in time for her to freak out about not having money for college. In comparison, Caleb touches a computer and saves the day, and then actually gets a job as a computer programmer. Maybe I am noticing this because the show tries to push other feminist issues, but the writers seem to be doing a really good job of reinforcing the idea that technical fields are for men and arts and humanities are for women. Now knowing this show I doubt that is intentional, but you think they would be a little more aware of how this comes off.

To be fair, Spencer's quote about A feeling like a pen pal or cousin kinda makes sense. The Hastings and DiLaurentis families lived next to each other since Jason was conceived right? So Spencer and Charlotte probably met when Spencer was an infant. As for why Spencer's spidey sense did not go off when she met Cece, I got nothing, but that would probably be true for any other character on the show. The rest of those plot hole though are total bs.

So the moral of the story is threesomes are like unicorn sightings, everyone agrees it would be amazing if it happened, but they never actually do?

Yeah I'm with Preity. After the disappointing past couple of seasons and the mess that was the midseason final, I really don't feel motivated to come back in the fall. The characters haven't been developed or written well for years, the mystery is a mess, and the only thing we seem to be hearing about is ships and love triangles. It just feels like there is no connection with the first five and a half seasons. I could honestly stop watching now and just live with the fact I never find out who killed Mrs. D. It not like this show hasn't left major plot points hanging before. Honestly I wish the show had just done something stupid like have all the girls go to the same state college and just picked up at the start of their freshman year. Seriously just have A kill everyone's relationships before the final, have all the girls still be traumatized by the dollhouse so they all go to their safety school together, and focus most of the show on the girls bonding and trying to move past everything that happened. Would have be great? No, but maybe they could have gotten back the spark between the Lairs that made a cheesy and convoluted show worth watching in the first place.

Well in all fairness there were plenty of replies, they are all just over in the S06.E10 thread. By the time this thread was created I think everyone had either processed how bad the final was or given up on PLL all together. But yes I do agree, I really don't think anyone wants to talk about the disaster that was the Charlotte reveal.

Well if nothing else, it's good to see Amy and Lauren teaming up again.

Did the writers confirm that Amy/Felix is going to happen? I am just curious why people keep bringing it up. If they are getting together then I completely agree, Ugh. I am pretty sure even if I was a pro-traditional marriage activist (which I am in no way am), I would still consider Felix far to uninteresting for him and Amy to get together.

Didn't Reagan say they dated for two years? How is that an experiment? I know "experiment" is the shows words, but I would get if it was a month or two but seriously Reagan's ex just sounds like someone who is bisexual and happened to date a guy after breaking up with Reagan. I wonder if that was just bad writing on the shows part or if we are going to find out that Reagan takes everything as a massive betrayal? The second option seems likely, since this episode was all about turning the audience against Reagan.

So hopefully they keep Faking It for season three, since everything else sucked worse than them. That makes sense right?

Well it was good to see everyone off a weekly scheme. This show's eccentricity definitely needs smaller single episode story arcs to make each episode feel satisfying. Shockingly I could actually stand Liam for the thirty seconds he was bullshitting a product demo. At least he wasn't just a sad puppy dog for once. Why was Regina outside Amy's window? I really hope they are not making her a stalker just so we will not feel bad when Karmy comes back. Actually Amy is feeling smothered after a month of dating and Regina roofied someone. Yeah they are making her into a crazy. Lastly, I knew it! Lauren is A! That's why the season final of Pretty Little Liars made not sense, it was all a misdirect to get our attention away from Lauren! If only we knew we could suspect people from other shows! But seriously, seeing Lauren wearing the hoodie made me laugh. I wonder if they were just ripping off PPL or if they were actually trying to reference/parody them.

Not a bad episode to start the season off and introduce a few new plot threads, but nothing really go me excited. Maybe that has something to do with the fact I haven't watch this show since episode 2:10 premiered and I have kinda forgotten why I was so into this show. That being said it was nice to see all of the main five back (with the exception of one!). Shane's secrets and shit-stirring are going to get him in trouble again. Lauren has been class president for a few weeks and is turning into the principal's head of propaganda. Karma and Amy were really sweet this episode IMHO. Almost all of their past emotional scenes have had something hanging over them, either how heart broken Amy was or Karma having her head up her ass. The scene were Karma came clean about her family just felt sweet, at least to me. The character I really wasn't happy to see back was Liam. I get why so many people hated him in the earlier episodes, but at least back then he was somewhat funny (in a head-smacking, 'is he seriously that dense' kind of way). Now he just pines away over Karma is and really boring.

It honestly felt like the actresses were just placed in front of a green screen and told something vague like they were 'in A's high tech lair'. That's my theory why no one was reacting to the lair, because the no one knew they were on a space ship.

I think the article by Heather really illustrates that there was little to no hope of the reveal being sensitives to the transgender community, even if we ignore all the negative tropes the reveal included. I mean the Lairs spent a couple of episodes playing around with the pronouns they used to describe A (because at the time in their minds 'fuck A, who cares what we call A'), and all of that dialog is super problematic when we find out A is transgender. Even if we take out all of the lines like "he/she/it/bitch", did it not occur to anyone that having the Lairs refer to A by both masculine and feminine pronouns throughout the course of the show means that everyone selecting past quotes and clips to describe A would have to be careful pay attention to how A is described. Basically nothing from season 6A can used without misgendering Cece.

I do agree that society pitting people against each other isn't specifically a women's issue. If anything I would be interested to see if anyone has done a study comparing men and women's attitudes to competition. I was just trying to say that if the show and books* are trying to make a point about this issue, it is that society pits women against each other. Whether or not that is true, that's up for debate. *To be fair I only read up to book six, at least so far, so for all I know that theme completely disappears in the later books.