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I agree with Andy that at one point, Thomas looked at Kathryn as if he wanted to ravish her right there on the set. He's obviously addicted to her in some way. Then, the next minute, he's threatening her to some extent in a very scary way. These two are whacked. Maybe they're both addicted to the drama. I have no doubt they'll get married or something else as reckless. They're both crazy.

I think the decision to dump her was made long ago. The lack of communication may just give them cause if there's a contract in place. However, I think there was never any intention to have her be a part of the show in the future. I think we may not see her at all and they're saying she might appear to make sure they don't like they're dumping her when she's down.

I know! The cards......OMG. I did love Tamra's side eye, though. And I hate Tamra but she's right on with this stuff. I think Vicki is like a lot of women in my age range. They are panicked about being alone and any man is better than none. I also think she's so savvy in business but an idiot in personal life issues. If she weren't, she wouldn't have let her marriage hit the rocks the way it did. She even now is lamenting it- blaming the show- so that means she really regrets it. She should have fought harder to make it work. But maybe she did. I don't know these people. LOL. I think Gretchen and Slade are both seeing the opportunity in the other. I think he's a bit of her Svengali. I saw them on Marriage Bootcamp and it was ridiculous. They both need REAL jobs as this reality thing is ridiculous. I think they need one another to be "relevant".

Vicki is beyond dumb in so many ways. Brooks is such a bullshitter and watching him from the beginning makes that so clear. She was vulnerable, fine, but after a while, she hasn't regained her senses. He's an opportunist and a phony. Yuck- I hate agreeing with Tamra.

What I liked about this show, as opposed to the US versions, is that it's fun There is no bloodshed. No arrests. No people charging one another. They're snarky and nasty but then they seem to laugh. I love the Gina/Jackie thing that they go at it and then have lunch. That's great. It shows that they don't take this crap seriously as it's for TV and not rocket science. I miss that attitude on the US shows. I detest PF. She's a poser and she's not a "bitch" as she was a complete weasel here, fake crying and running when she's confronted with bad behavior. Own it, Baby, if you misbehave, own it. What a loser. I think Jackie may be in trouble next season as she claimed her status is up in the air. I like her as she's a nut but she's fun. Gina is a dreadful bitch but she basically owns it....sometimes. She's good TV but I do have a hard time looking at her Dynasty look. It's so '80's, it's like I'm in a time warp and want to switch on WKRP. Gamble is fine but her voice grates on me. She's Gina's chump and I think she'll find that out soon enough. The fiance is a doll. I can't help but like Janet. She's a shit stirrer but funny. And Chyka....she's the best. I just love her, her husband, her kids, her house, her business. All of it. I just love her and she makes me want to watch more and more. She's a breath of fresh air. I hope she stays classy, with a side of shade. This show is great because it's fun. That's all. I wish the US versions were fun again. It's sadly missing on our side of the Housewife world.

I think it's clear that this show turned in season three when the emphasis went from women and families to women with one another. That is the misstep, IMO, as the drama came from real world issues- children, husbands, money, etc. Now, it's manufactured arguments between the women and that's dull. And if it's real, then it's idiotic. I think Alexis really had issues with the others as she was a moronic child with no coping skills. The others seem to be putting it on for the cameras and it's boring. All of these shows need a major reset and that's what this rewatch taught me. Nene is actually right- single women really don't have much to offer to these shows unless they have kids or are in a relationship, like Jo or Kandi. That's what the shows should be about.

without the talent..............

Someone on the first page or so said that they thought Bethenny kind of implied on WWHL that she was not going to return next season. It wasn't what she said so much as how she said it. I agree completely. I got the same feeling. I think this "return" has been a failure for the show and for her. She mentioned the rise of negative responses she's gotten lately and even admitting that shows it's an area of concern. I think she's coming off as harsh and self indulgent and mean, in my opinion, and it's not a good look for her precious "brand". She's always been like this to me but it's much worse now. She's arrogant and pompous and unappealing. She is going through something but, as someone else said a few pages back, she needs to do that off television and deal with her problems. I don't want to see them as I don't care, don't like her, and wish her the best...off my show. I think the ratings suck because it's boring or sad most of the time. Golden Girl Beth is sucking the life out of it with the focus on her and her breakdown. Boo hoo- I'm rich and have a great kid and my mean old meanie of an ex is ruining my life and I was abused and I'm going to be nasty and snarky and you'll love it. Yuck. This show used to be entertaining. Now, it's the Bethenny Show and that pisses me off. I didn't watch the spin offs or her talk show because, well, she sucks. I don't think I can watch this one either. It's not her program, remember, Show? Sorry. Had to vent. I like the rest but cannot stomach this broad. And it's starting to make me dislike them all. Carole is a moron now. Why? Heather being shown in a bad light, Luann getting testy, Ramona crazy- nothing new, Kristin nowhere. Sonja over the edge, and Dorinda is nice but that's it. How about some positivity here? Let Bethenny have her cash and her kid and her problems in private for once. She is NOT good TV. Get over it, Andy, your gal pal sucks!!! Go have drinks with her on your own time. You're paid to entertain me!!! Whew- that feels better. JMO, of course.

I don't think they had any intention of asking her back. JMO but I got the feeling they were thinking of dumping her due to her abuse of the other women and then when Andy only contacted Kyle during the arrest, it seemed clear to me. Kathy even said she didn't know if Kim was going back, I think, in some lame interview, I think. Kimmy is probably unemployed and drowning her sorrows in anything she can get her hands on.

Sounds as if someone is doing damage control here.

I think this show took a turn for the worse when Tamra showed up. You can see it with binge watching them all in short order. Before that, you see they're all basically decent women trying to deal with their families and not working to be Top Bitch on the Block. Tamra made her intent clear right off the bat- she's the hottest bitch in Orange County. Yuck. She's hideous. She also brought out the worst in Vicki who is just a really insecure woman. I live not far from where she grew up and she's my sister's age. I know her type very well. She's from a middle class background and was not the popular girl in school. She was fine but always wanted to be "more". Anyone who seems "better" threatens her. She was fine with the other women because she knew them for years and they were at the same "level". Her jealousy of Lauri's new life was admitted and then it just got worse and worse with the new girls. And Tamra threw gas on that fire. I miss Jeana and the others who weren't just trying to cause drama. They had it in their own lives. The Josh stuff was so sad. He was so lost and Lauri was not equipped to deal with it. She was too involved in herself, IMO, although she cared. She just couldn't put him above her own need for "success", meaning a rich dude to support her.

Carol is embarrassing herself. She needs to get that she's not twenty anymore and the Coquette routine is pathetic. Act your age, Toots. This one doesn't suit you. Only kids can pull off acting like idiots because, well, they're kids. As someone who's almost your age, you're acting ridiculous. Sonja is out of control. She's way more scary than Kelly was on Scary Island. Kelly was rude and angry and strange. Sonja started melting down years ago and now she's almost gone. I don't know if anyone can pull her back from the ledge. She's dancing too fast. It's sad as she seems like a sweet woman who is really lost. Luann is being fine, IMO, and is just pissed and being bitchy. No big deal and she seemed to be okay on WWHL to me. I would hate on Carol, too, if my niece was hurt. It's admirable to protect her feelings. Carol's being a twit. I also want to scratch out the eyes of anyone who makes my nieces cry. I get it. Bethenny was less hateful and tried with Sonja. I'll give her that. First time all season I didn't hate her. I still would like her to go away. I just don't want her to disappear off the face of the Earth at this moment.

She sure looked like she was "energetic" this season. Meth makes a lot of sense. She was like the Energizer Bunny with an attitude on the Reunion.

Vince Van Patten confirmed his wife is back for another season, so this is bullshit. They just haven't told Kim or Brandi. They're trying not to look bad by dumping the alcoholic until the season is done, IMO. They'll let the fans speculate until they're ready to promote and then feed off the discussion but still not have to deal with Kim or Brandi. That way they get the publicity and keeps the fans engaged until they spill the beans.

Kenya is a liar but I never thought she was stupid. I'm starting to think she's both. This was a really bad thing to lie about after she lied about Walter. She must think that audience is too stupid to figure it out. Oh well. Guess she was wrong. She's an idiot.

If Kimmie really signed up for another 90 days, I don't see how she can come back. Don't they start taping like in a month or so?

I couldn't really care about any of this but I think it makes Carol look like a bitch. If you're doing something that upsets someone else, even if you're not doing anything wrong, you should feel bad that they're upset. That's just human decency. It doesn't mean she should stop what she's doing but saying she doesn't care about the feelings of another person is mean. JMO but it makes her look unfeeling and I now don't like her. She was okay before but since she doesn't care about other people, I don't care about her. If that hurts her, I don't care. I'm not doing anything wrong. LOL.

I also would assume that Kyle is returning to the show and Kim is not. She'll now be known as the one who threw Kimmy under the bus which, of course, she did not. This is sad but sometimes family members are toxic. I think Kim is toxic after seeing her in the limo years ago and then this season. It's time for Kyle to cut the ties and move on with her own family.

I noticed that, too. He made references to being "above" sleeping with waitresses- which is pompous and tacky. I heard no denials about cheating, though, just cheating "beneath him". He's a douchebag. I do think Cynthia and Nene were real world friends, though. That exchange between them rang true and not just for TV. I think Nene's idea that Peter intervened and maybe helped Cynthia "find her voice" to keep her job and be more important to the show, is very possible. He seems to be rather Svengali-ish. I always liked Cynthia until this season. She brought some class to the show and now she's shit stirring too much.

There's a personal element going on here that none of us are privy to, obviously. Just speculating, of course, but that dog bite issue probably had some real world impact on Kyle being involved with Kim. Kim was nasty on television about her niece so I can only imagine how nasty she was in real life. It wouldn't shock me if Kyle is keeping her distance from the family, as you say, and just trying to keep above the fray. There's got to be some really bad blood now. Neither Kyle or Kim are that good at acting. That reunion was painful to watch. There's a serious rift there.

Gina is out to control the show. That's clear. She's the real puppet master, IMO, and can't help but mock those who aren't as smart. The problem is she keeps showing that she is a bitch and it's not looking good on her. She's using poor, dimwitted Gamble and it seems mean to me. She pulled this crap at the party just to keep Gamble off balance and keep the drama going. But Gamble seems to be catching on. Lydia is a dolt. She should have been eliminated with the awful Andrea last season. Her necklace was horrifying. She isn't hot. She's annoying and her sexual comments come off as if she's a teen boy being naughty. Yuck. Janet is getting better and Jackie is getting worse. Her inane use of couture is showing her lack of anything interesting. I loved how she was trying to pitch herself for RHOBH. Are you kidding me? With her behavior at this week's events, that won't be happening. They'd be laughing their asses off at her. She's a clown and they're snots. I can see LVP and Kyle laughing already. Still love Chyka and her amazing husband. I would rather watch her try on clothes and silly hats than anything else. She's fun and light and not mean. These shows need more Chyka and less Gina. Pettifleur is a pompous twit. She's making a fool of herself and nice Chyka is just letting her have her moment. She's a moron but at least Janet and Chyka are letting her think she's fabulous. It's all they can do.

I agree with all of you. I thought that was about LVP immediately due to the "lovely" comment. I thought LVP's quotes were spot on and not mean spirited at all. They were just true. I also wondered if she was making the argument for Bravo as they can't really say anything without looking bad. I think LVP is bullet proof in terms of rep with the fans. I kind of figured she was there giving Bravo the out with Kim. I have no doubt Kim is being dumped. But I've been surprised before. I also think Brandi was the focus of the other tweet. She's the only one talking and she can't shut up. She can't get coverage without talking about Kim's problems and it is obvious she's not supporting- she's using. And has been this whole time. She's too much. It's unseemly at this point. I think she's out, too, but, again, who knows.

I would bet that someone in production had seen some of the footage by that point and said something to her. She has been an insufferable bitch and that not only hurts the show but her "brand", which is her main concern. She needs to do some major damage control, IMO, as she was always abrasive but she's horrid now.

Yeah. What she said. lol.

Wow, I can actually enjoy this show. When Bethenny's not on it. Good job, Show, edit her out and it should be great!