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Interested in this as well. 18 year olds still have the judgment of...18 year olds, and I am sure C&T would exploit any issues between Carly and B&T, as well as enable any unwise choice Carly was making that was causing the issue (be it school, her choice of friends, romantic partners, drinking, etc). That said, there is a really good chance C&T (and their extended families) are a source of extreme embarrassment for Carly, and the last thing she would do is encourage any additional contact.

From what I could gather, Sami believes (or at least she told the cameras) that Lola is exaggerating her friendship with this boy- like he was a more casual friend, someone that Lola would pal around with in a group, and not a close friend, and therefore should be no skin off her nose to keep her distance from him out of solidarity with Sami. Granted, Sami doesn't have the most credibility, but I have definitely witnessed sisters/friends doing this to each other as soon kind of competition/power struggle, so it seems at least plausible to me. That said, Lola insists they actually were close friends, and Sami is the one who knowingly stepped on her turf. Which is also plausible. I find Sami kind of funny, even if she can be kind of an asshole. Lola just seems perpetually confused about everything. Patrick Muldoon just kind of gives me the creeps. I went back and watched some of his old Days episodes from the early 90s and his character is supposed to be this gallant hero, and from a 2025 lens, it just doesn't age well. ALL of his roles, even when he is playing the supposedly good guy, come across as vaguely predatory to me.

"I was so young...two years ago"...Oh, Lola. I think even at 19, I would have realized that 17 was not quite a lifetime ago. And I thought I was 'so old' when I turned 25. I was surprised Sami said she had no interest in seeing her dad. Wasn't there an earlier episode where Denise didn't want her to do something, and Sami called Charlie to back her up and Charlie agreed he would trust her judgment? Was that Lola? I was really thinking it was Sami. I'm too lazy to go back and look though. Has Charlie Sheen had work done? He looks different in the cheekbone/eye area.

I thought that was incredibly astute of her to point out that Godzilla had been the one consistent, stable thing in Brooke's life for 20 years- this wasn't just about the death of a beloved pet for an extreme animal lover (which would still hit hard, but not in the same way). I am sure a lot of Housewives would have thrown a pet memorial without realizing the deeper symbolism for Brooke. I admit I am very hopeful for a Charlie Sheen cameo. I don't even like him, but am so curious how he relates to his ex wives so many years later. I assume if he does come on, he will be on his best behavior.

Denise: Did you get a rabbi? Denise's blond daughter, confused: Uh, that's for Jewish people Denise with her most duh face: Brooke's Jewish Yeah, maybe the daughters should have known that, but there really isn't any protocol on animal memorials, particularly those thrown together in about ten minutes. It still cracked me up though. Denise actually seems really, really, kind. Sounds like she made an effort to be thoughtful to Erica at a time when things were strained, and she was always a source of support to Brooke. Her life is bizarre, but she seems like a truly well meaning, thoughtful person.

I know this is very shallow of me, but when Denise Richards said that Patrick Muldoon told her he could no longer hook up with her in the 90s because he wanted to exclusively date Tori, my first thought was, sure Jan, like her dad being Aaron Spelling (and Patrick Muldoon making the jump from daytime TV to primetime) had nothing to do with THAT decision. I did think Patrick Muldoon was super foxy when he came on Melrose but his character was such a creep that I just couldn't find him attractive by the time he left the show. Now even when I watch old Days episodes I'm like, ew.

It seemed to me it was more about the packaging- I looked up the ordinance and technically eco friendly meat and fish trays (made from recyclable and compostable materials) are allowed.

I have watched a few episodes of RHBH, but before Denise Richards as on, so I haven't probably seen or heard her in anything in about 15 years. I just started watching this, and why does her voice sound this way? Forgive my ignorance if this was discussed in the BH forums, but she sounds really different.

I still remember when Kyle had a blog and he said he couldn't stand it when women tried to argue with him about football. I think he said something along the lines of, good for you for knowing something about the sport, but you're still not going to know more than the guy you're trying to impress with your NFL knowledge (that you obviously made an effort to learn just to impress men).

Who is the most successful RW/RRer (as a public figure)? Mike from RWB2NY has done really well in WWE (from a name recognition and financial perspective). Jacinda has been in some A list movies, although not for awhile. Jamie from RW San Diego had a few movies and TV shows, also not for awhile. Dave from RR South Pacific was the lead in a network TV show (which shocked me), Kyle Brandt had a pretty good run on daytime TV before turning to sports reporting...who am I forgetting?

I didn't think anyone who wasn't an early 2000s Road Rules superfan would know who he was, and it shocked me when I heard he was doing standup comedy because I don't remember him saying anything remotely funny during his seasons. The one that sticks out to me was his horrid analogy about Holly being like "an Indian that doesn't want to walk down the trail of tears", and I also recall him saying he went to a special school where he did puzzles all day instead of regular classroom lessons. Theo was once a very skilled physical competitor (managing to combine a lot of muscles with extreme coordination and agility- I still remember that he was the only one able to land a basket while being shot out of a human cannon) but that was over 20 years ago so I really don't know what would inspire his popularity now. Without getting too political, I'd venture to guess he just says what a lot of his fans want to hear, and leave it at that.

Okay I still maintain that Tyler is the cause of his own assholishness, but…that bio doesn’t make her look great.

I really don't think this happened. Mail had to go through her in the beginning, so she was probably letting the lazy duo know that if they wanted Carly's gifts/letters/scrapbooks to get to Carly in time for birthdays or holidays, they had a deadline. Also, a couple times in the series, Tyler and Cate would want to request certain things of B&T, and Dawn would encourage them to write it in a letter instead of calling them, because that would be less of putting B&T on the spot. I don't recall any episode where Dawn hassled them to send scrapbooks or letters when they didn't want to send them

You are absolutely correct. Maybe some stuff happened off camera, but everything that was filmed was above board. I don't see how anyone could actually watch the 16 and Pregnant and think Dawn was not crystal clear and realistic with the two kids. Furthermore, watching S1 and S2 of Teen Mom, Tyler and Cate had a much different attitude towards Carly and the adoption. During the 3rd season, they started to get a lot of attention from fans and then the revisionist history started. Bethany Christian Services has been heavily criticized, and maybe deservedly so, but there is 0 evidence Dawn specifically did anything wrong, and there IS evidence she was very honest with them about Cate and Tyler did hear it and absorb it, and acknowledge it. What did she say? I really don't think Dawn has ever been filmed saying anything dishonest or misleading to them. Tyler and Cate stated on film what they were expecting. They said a phone call, pictures, and possibly an annual visit. Those expectations have been met for years.

I guess I should clarify. Kelly is definitely worse than Heather, but Kelly was humbled on a weekly basis each time she made an ass out of herself. Heather like, metaphorically winks to the audience over how much above these other women she is, like she's laughing at all of them with us, instead of being one of them. She's one of them. She may be more composed, she may be better educated, and she may make better financial and personal decisions, but she's still one of them- an attention starved, fame seeking, drama llama with NO capacity for self awareness. She may act self deprecating at times, but it seems very insincere, and she comes across as oblivious most of the time. ETA: Just watched the Ireland episode...oh my. I love Kelly's call to her husband..."I kept irritating everyone, and when they all asked me politely to stop, I argued with them over why they should not be annoyed. And then when I was called out for shit talking the Alpha HW, I retaliated by saying the absolutely cruelest, malicious low blow I could think to say, and now everyone is mad at me and I have NO idea why!" Kelly is awful, no doubt. I don't think there is any other HW on OC or NY (the ones I watch) that is even close to how awful she is, and THAT is saying something.