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52 minutes ago, ICantDoThatDave said:
\Re: Agents of SHIELD...
https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/marvels-agents-of-shield-season-six-ratings/
The ratings were bad. I like the show! I watched from Episode 1. I tried to convince friends (heck, even family!) of mine who dropped it that it got so much better. They still didn't watch.
Ratings dropped from 8.3 million in Season 1 to a little over 2 million in the last season. Good for a CW show sure, just awful for any of the "big" networks. It's not a ridiculously high standard. It's just a standard. Not Top 10, but what about Not Even Top 100? Hell's Kitchen Season whatever it's on had 4 million viewers (it was the #100 show when I Googled the 2019 list). I honestly think if AoS didn't have the Marvel/Disney support, it'd have been cancelled several seasons ago. Which would have been a shame for me personally 'cause I like it, but understandable.
Production companies often prop up the last few seasons of a successful show in spite of falling ratings because it's a boost to their value in syndication and streaming packages, Networks will, likewise, keep airing such a show because the core fanbase is well understood and they can sell ads around that and use it to get attention for new shows that target a similar group.
Shows don't reach that point, however, without having been a solid success in the first place. Saying a show is a failure because of its ratings in Season 6 while ignoring that it was successful enough to make it to Season 6 in the first place is either a very high standard or a very different interpretation of what is or isn't a success than most people use in common discussion on such a topic.
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20 hours ago, ICantDoThatDave said:
Ok, I'm gonna attempt to tie a bow on my thoughts since I inadvertently kicked off a big discussion by accident. My initial post was reflecting that Thor 4 might suffer from Critical Acclaim <> Commercial Success, re: Jane-Thor.
It was just a thought, a post, an idea, not meant as any sort of Deep Thought (tm Jack Handy) or social commentary. Not even a prediction. But here goes...
Low hanging fruit. Gimmicks are done to produce buzz. If they produce initial buzz without long term success they are a failure. I mean Agents of SHIELD as much as I hate to admit it falls into this category. Big buzz, terrible ratings after a few months (I still watch it!). Remember Terra Nova? Remember The Event? Remember Flashforward? Big "event" (i.e. gimmick) TV shows that were middling successes. Manifest, currently. Gimmicks can easily peter out into middling successes or even failures. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Ok, granted, but the people that have read the story number in the tens of thousands. Ms Marvel & Squirrel Girl are even fewer. Have buzz <> have readership. That's my whole point. Concepts that generate buzz <> success. Why? Because the people who support the concept *are not comic buyers*.
That is totally fair. But it didn't translate into sales. 10 issues in Jane-Thor was already a middling seller & stayed there. I accept that everything you said is true. i wasn't in any way disparaging the quality of the story, only readers' interest in paying for it, which was relatively low.
You're calling a show that has well over 100 episodes and counting a failure because its ratings dropped after an initial high first handful of episodes and are mentioning it alongside shows that were cancelled in their first season.
You seem to be setting the standard for a 'failure' as anything that isn't a top 5-10 comic/show at the time, which is a ridiculously high standard to use in discussion.
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On 2/15/2020 at 2:48 PM, tennisgurl said:
Did Brandon just go on the mission to kill Dr. Jace, or was it just a convenient side mission?
I think it was his plan from the start, that's why he was refusing to be part of any of the plans they came up with but still insisted on coming along. He didn't want them making a plan that counted on him because he knew he was going to abandon it to go after Jace.
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9 hours ago, Rushmoras said:
The gist of the whole Lena-Kara drama: "I can't help but think, that if I made different choices along the way, things might have turned out differently". No, shit, Kara. I'm not saying that Lena is in the right, but, yes, if you'd made different choices, none of this would have happened. Also, could you imagine Lena's outrage, if Kara would have told William that she's Supergirl lol.
In the real world where Lena's response to Kara having lied to her is to try to mind control the planet is so over the top and disproportionate that I'd say that Lena would have snapped eventually either way and any different choices Kara made would have just been delaying the snap at best.On this show where they dedicate an entire episode to Winn needing to forgive and trust his insane sociopath father who kidnapped him and tried to force him to murder people though? I guess Lena's a good person who just needed a little love and trust from Kara.
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The actual comic branches of Marvel and DC these days exist as much (if not more) to advertise and churn out IP and story ideas that can be used in other media later as they do to actually make money off publishing comics.
Which means that as long as they're not bleeding money on a book they can continue to support something that has critical support or appeals to people in the bookstore/trade crowd.
The sales of trade paperbacks and collections outside of the FLGS can also make up for lower single issue sales numbers and make a book more financially successful for the publisher than where it lands on the Diamond list might indicate.
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8 minutes ago, Anduin said:
It's 100% in line with the rest of Star Wars. Political disputes are decided by multi-million-strong armies and planet-killing machines. Ships are kilometres-long and can cross the galaxy within days. A man can go from essentially flawed but good to child-murdering in ten minutes. You're worried about someone turning to the dark side? Best to kill them first. Everything is enlarged to a ridiculous degree.
Afterwards, Luke acted as he always has. He flounced off to sulk, just like in ANH and ESB. Yeah, it was on a planet in the far reaches of the galaxy. But everything has to be exaggerated even further these days.
The films repeatedly show that killing someone because they're "dangerous" is wrong and doing so is a sign of how far the Jedi have lost their way. Until RotJ when Luke tosses aside his saber and returns the Jedi to their right path. It's the culmination of the entire Jedi arc the plays out over 6 films and TLJ undoes it in a flashback to make Kylo Ren a love interest for Rey.
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9 hours ago, Anduin said:
And some people were awfully loud complainers. You'd think they wanted Star Wars to fail.
You know, in real life, people make mistakes. Furthermore, if heroes are flawless, they're boring. They need to fail, learn, overcome.
Because who among us never stood over our sleeping nephew, deadly weapon armed and in hand, contemplating murdering him before he wakes up? How would I ever relate to Luke if he hadn't?
Thinking that seriously considering the murder of a student/family member who is being manipulated by an evil force is far too big of a "flaw", too out of character, and can't be dismissed as a simple "mistake" is a far cry from expecting the character to be flawless.
The funny thing to me is that I saw as much hate/hope for failure for Rise of Skywalker before its release (and shortly after) coming from The Last Jedi/Rian fans as I did from the people who had hated the entire Disney Trilogy.
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13 hours ago, Danny Franks said:
Disney made a miscalculation about the best way to make money from Star Wars - They thought it could be a constant source of cash, movie after movie with endless merchandising opportunities.
But they didn't factor in the inherent fanboy obsessiveness of large, vocal elements of the Star Wars fandom. Nothing is right, because it doesn't match the fantasy storytelling of the fans, or it contradicts some mediocre novel written fifteen years ago, and so it must be torn down and stamped on in righteous, online fury.
The trick is to restrict the flow of new Star Wars - one movie every few years, where the anticipation and excitement outstrips the disappointment those certain fans are guaranteed to feel, after the movie comes out.
I disagree, I think that Star Wars absolutely could have supported a steady once a year release schedule. I think that they followed up TFA with Rogue One showed that potential was there. IMO there's no reason they shouldn't have owned the Christmas movie season at least every year for the next decade after TFA basically staked the claim.
The people who don't like the NT because it contradicts the old EU is a relatively small group. Most Star Wars fans have never cracked open a Star Wars novel or comic.
The problem IMO was that they simply made the wrong creative choices and lost the audience's trust. The Last Jedi was a ... divisive film. It changed the tone of the discourse around star wars because it alienated a lot more of the fanbase than simply the people who didn't like changes from the EU. IMO it derailed a lot of the excitement for the franchise that had been very strong up to that point.
Why should I be excited to see Solo 5 months after I watched Luke fucking Skywalker stand over Han's son, weapon drawn and armed, contemplating murdering him in his sleep? What's the point? Why should I trust them to do right by Han, Chewie, and Lando?
They're still clearly going to make a ton of money off of Star Wars, but I think they could be making even more.
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Miranda Cosgrove playing a teacher on a sitcom makes me feel ancient.
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"Shit, bro. No pool." - Brandt
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"Mom, how did you and Dad get together?"
"Well, kids, I was part of a planned prank to humiliate your father at our prom for no reason other than him being a nerd. I was totally going to go through with it, but then he showed up in a Limo and had a cool suit instead of a dorky brown one, so I had second thoughts."
"Uh ..."
"Then my friends pushed him around and threw a drink on him anyway, and I let him run off alone and upset while I kept hanging out with my asshole friends until your father came back and did a dance number."
"Wait, why did you keeping hanging out wi--"
"Then your grandmother showed up and tried to kill me ..."
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MLB Thread
in Sports
Can't wait to see the network reaction when a .500 record mid-market team with a 2 deep rotation and a backup shortstop on a hot streak sneaks into the playoffs and take out the Dodgers or Yankees in the first round 3 game series.
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6 hours ago, NewGranny said:
Okay, so I have tried watching this show. (I know, I am a little late) I have made it through most of season 3 so far, but I don't think that I can do anymore. I can't stand Frankie. That character has ruined the entire show for me. They really lost me when she "borrowed" the neighbors car during the super bowl. I didn't even finish that episode. I did get through the Valentine's one but midway through the Justin Bieber one because I can see where it is going.
Should I give up all together, or skip to another season where Frankie might be a little more tolerable?
I think Frankie pretty much stays Frankie throughout the show. Sue, Axl, and Brick grow and change some, but the parents pretty much stay the same.
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I know the question the time gap has come up, I think it's an interesting question of what 50 years might mean to an immortal. From a human perspective that's more than half a lifetime between when she knew Steve and the 80s, but to a superhuman with eternal life, that might be like something that happened a couple of months ago would be to us.
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4 hours ago, possibilities said:
Ally's brother doesn't work in the family shit-shoveling business? He's just wandering around the hills all the time? And he has nothing, even when he has a family that seems to love him? I feel confused by this.
I've been trying to figure him out, I think that he's either supposed to be the younger sibling (even though the actor is pretty clearly older) or he's older but just too ... simple for a career in shit-shoveling.
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It was nice of the Markovians to just leave Grayle behind so he could warn the good guys about what was going on when they took Lynn and Tobias.
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Did I miss her or is the actress who played Laura not part of the show this season?
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On 1/28/2020 at 2:12 AM, Trini said:
But speaking of LaLa, what is his arc for the season?? He just shows up to do petty criminal stuff not connected the main storylines.
He said he's selling guns to the Resistance (at double the price), so I guess they could be setting up him helping in whatever big final with the ASA. On the other hand it's Lala so he's probably just there so Tobias can show up and kill him again.
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On 1/23/2020 at 10:17 AM, juliet73 said:
Anthony Michael Hall! I loved when he showed Adam the pic of when he was a nerd! I ❤ 16 Candles! Seeing the old games was funny...the rest was meh. Since when is Johnny Atkins a popular kid?
I can only guess he's been at the school for so long at this point that he's old enough to buy alcohol for the popular kids.
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10 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:
And somehow Josh ends up being the most ethical person at Stevens & Lido? Not that he had much competition, but still.
I think that Josh has pretty consistently been the least awful of the work regulars (though that isn't saying much).
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3 hours ago, nokat said:
I also loved the higher education. The Earth is flat, Satan is real, (and I forgot the third one.)
The show is clearly an over the top, stylized version of the Middle Ages so it shouldn't be taken seriously, but since the flat Earth myth annoys me, I'll just say here that the ancient Greeks figured out that the Earth is a sphere, and it never really fell out of wider belief in Europe once it spread (particularly among the educated).
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I mean, I knew that Asher would go back to fucking up sooner rather than later, but I didn't think it would be this soon.
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On 1/21/2020 at 7:34 AM, MarkHB said:
Honestly, I think that Lex made the same transition that he did following the original Crisis in the comics. The Lex we had last season was the mad scientist supervillain with the Lexosuit, and now he's John Byrne's beloved businessman who is only secretly evil.
True, but good Lex being the buffer between mad scientist and secret evil businessman would create an interesting dynamic IMO. Maybe Lena still remembers a different Lex and that's part of the reason she's working with him. It means that he actually does have a legit spotless record so they can't just dig up old records to take him down. It creates the moral question of whether J'onn would be justified putting good Lex's memories back in Paragon Lex's head.
On Lex's side he wouldn't have the ready built network of secret evil lairs and tech because his good self was probably spending his fortune actually making the world a better place and not building underground Kryptonite cannons to fight Superman, so it would explain why he needs the resources of the DEO, Supergirl, and Lena to go up against Leviathan.
Crisis seemed to at least be playing with the idea that Lex got a taste of being a hero at the end, and then came back to a world where he's a beloved hero. I'm a bit surprised that the show didn't at least tease the question of whether Lex might actually be changing for a few episodes instead of going straight into Secret Evil Businessman mode.
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1 hour ago, possibilities said:
Did Kate come out as KATE to all of Gotham? I thought she only came out as BATWOMAN, telling Gotham she's a lesbian.
Batwoman came out as a lesbian. She's still hiding her identity.
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S05.E13: It's a Super Life
in Supergirl
One thing that bugged me on the trip down memory lane was that they acted like a Kryptonian and a Luthor working together was some novel concept.
James said back in season 2 that Clark and Lex had been "best friends" and that Clark had repeatedly refused to see the worst in Lex in spite of all the warning signs.