Enginerd

Didn't they only go back in time when they used the particular key in the clock? So maybe they don't worry about that if they go through the clock without using the key. Also, one of the keys seems to open up portals to different places as needed, which is how Eliot, Fen, and Fray got out of the Neitherlands, among other things (though not really within their control as to where the portal goes); maybe they used that and got onto the boat.

Didn't it only go to the past after they used the key in it?

But he stayed locked in his room all evening after Patrick explained the situation. Is he not capable of calming down and recalibrating?

I also don't see why David felt so betrayed. What's the big deal? Yes, having been engaged is a bigger deal than just having dated other people, but it was in the past; Patrick had broken it off and moved away and had no interest in responding to Rachel's attempts to connect. And it sounds like it was a half-hearted vague engagement at best, if they'd been off and on repeatedly. There was no betrayal of trust! Unless they'd actually had a conversation at some point where Patrick said he'd shared with David every important detail of his dating history but he left that out. It isn't a crime to leave past things in the past; you don't have to discuss EVERYTHING, when you've only been together 4 months. For that matter, Rachel needs to get some self-respect. Why would you want to be with a guy who has to be coerced into it and lured back, who's already made it clear he doesn't want to be with you? Mostly I was looking for signs of the improvement plan Alexis had for the motel. Why is all that hideous decor still all over the lobby? I would have hauled all that to the dumpster first thing.

I agree. Patrick has a calm, composed demeanor, but you can see by his subtle smirks and eye twinkles and the things he says very nonchalantly that he is clever and confident and has a great sense of humor. He definitely enjoys giving David reasons to be dramatic, and also loves giving him a genuinely nice surprise. He wanted David to think it was going to be horrifically embarrassing, and after Patrick supportively sat through David and Moira's performance, it was a well-earned tease.

I don't think Xiomara gave school enough of a chance. Of course you're going to be lost and over your head if you drop in on the middle of a random class. It's bound to be easier if you start at the beginning of the course of study, or maybe even start with a few first-year basic classes like writing and something else really general with no prerequisites to get into the swing of it.

I also wonder whether on some subconscious level Rogelio is punishing Xo for leaving him out of Jane's entire childhood.

Maybe you can't reasonably expect to NEVER have to care for her, but it's not like this was some dire unanticipated emergency and there were no other options. Rogelio is just taking Xo for granted and expecting her to serve him and his interests without giving her life and priorities equal concern. She's said all along she was not going to do baby care again. I think it's fine for her to be a kindly but hands-off stepmother. She will probably like the kid more when she's older, but she doesn't want to be changing diapers and giving bottles and having to be there with the baby or take her wherever she goes. Rogelio knew he was looking to work again. He should have hired a nanny or even two nannies and compiled a list of responsible, willing sitters. Or, you know, Jane is now unemployed. Maybe he could have asked her if she was willing to take care of Baby for the weekend. But instead, he just assumed Xo would do it, while also ignoring all the things she's been trying to talk to him about. He doesn't listen to her. I can see why she was angry. That aside, I really enjoyed this episode. It was a lot of fun. I'm glad Jane finally came to a realization of how skeevy her relationship with Chavez was, although I think it would still have been skeevy if she'd been the only one. He may not have been her advisor, but he was in her department and she was still a student there. He shouldn't have been even considering hooking up with a student. I'm excited about Rafael developing a new hotel. I haven't been so fond of the Marbella since they went with the cheesy cheap-looking kid vibe. I assume he will get a new place built in magical TV time instead of the several years it normally takes.

I loved that entrance. Not a good day, just lots of days. Day after day, still in this town. But she said it with signature pretentious flair.

I agree; it emphasizes how she's put on a persona of childlike innocence and an idealized old-fashionedness, which matches who she actually is less and less. She's outgrown that phase by far, but didn't want to let go and move on. Now, post-niffin and without magic, she's antsy and agitated and even less comfortable in the body of her former life that she's been shoved back into. Her mind and shade or whatever are struggling with being contained and limited.

My guess...he isn't pervy or arrogant or selfish, respects boundaries, doesn't objectify people, and aims to please and take care of the people he's around. It's one of the background currents in this show that I really enjoy...that sexism, lack of consent, pervy comments, etc. aren't used as humor...sometimes they are used to show character, but usually one of the "good" people will call out the bad behavior, or change their course of action when they see it's going in a problematic direction. Rape wasn't just added for an episode of drama, Julia was raped and it had real implications for the plot and was shown to have serious lasting consequences. Quentin in particular is often saying things like "that was sexist" or "uh, problematic" after creeps do creep things. For women who are all too used to dealing with creeps and Nice Guys™ who are anything but nice, real decency can be quite a turn-on. And not just women...clearly the appeal is not lost on Eliot.

I had a similar thought...that someone with a history of severe depression, who was used to coping with that negative voice in his head all the time, might actually be better able to cope with the effects of the key than someone who has gone through life believing the best of themselves, ignoring their faults, and is suddenly confronted with all their worst traits.

She had a brief moment of looking appalled when it happened, but then on with business. I suppose as a queen she is well trained to conceal her emotions and operate strategically, but she's supposedly in charge. She can't take a moment to...I don't know, do SOMETHING to assert her authority and let murderous baby prince know that he isn't running the show and there will be serious consequences? To grieve? Even poor Penny was mourned more than Micah.

Maybe the bricks in the fairy-repellent hallway are made of fungicide. It's too bad the wedding delegation arrived and disrupted the plan to grind down a brick and put it in the fairy queen's bath. What the hell kind of system do the Floating Islanders live under that there are apparently no consequences for murder? For murdering the son of the queen (who is also your brother), in a matriarchal society, no less? Mama didn't even seem to be grieving or angry. Is she heartless? Was Micah a plant pretending to be a prince for the purpose of getting Margo to agree to a wedding and then do the switcheroo, and not really her son? Is she too terrified of the fairies to object? I'm glad Eliot and Quentin are back in Fillory to help out. Margo is a badass, but it's hard to do everything on your own, especially when you're being watched and harassed all the time. With more of the team around, they can run better schemes and sneak around more and create diversions. The crew has really been weakened...Alice can't be trusted, Penny has no body, Kady's locked in the mental hospital, Julia still cares more about her own issues than anything else (and gave her powers to Alice, which seems bound to backfire). Fen would be a help, but it's probably better to keep Fray out exploring Earth and shopping and away from reporting to the Fairy Queen until they're sure they've turned her to their side.

That depression monster was brutal and hard to watch. Too real, show. Too real. I hope they get Benedict back. I love him! Maybe he's bowling in the underworld? Or mapping it? Thrilled that Eliot and Margo are working as a team again. Sick of the wretched fairies and their oppressive dark cloud. Cut off their water supply! I wonder if it's part of the magic of the labyrinth that after you live out your lifetime and solve it, you can return to your starting place and time and take your memories with you. It's awesome that Eliot and Quentin remember that life and have retained their bond. They've had such a beautiful friendship even before then. It's nice to have a few relationships on the show that haven't turned dysfunctional and toxic. I will be furious if the writers mess with that one. Not everything needs to be ruined for the sake of drama.

Why wouldn't they just look at the actual scene? Jane the Lawyer should think up better lies. I feel fairly certain that those blueprints were for Rose or some other nefarious crook, who wants detailed information about the hotel for reasons of being up to no good.

How on earth does using blueprints to recreate the scene tell you that screws were missing from the railing?

I wonder if this is why the show isn't catching on better. I think it's absolutely fantastic and have recommended it to lots of people I know, but if they can't understand Spanish and are listening to the English dub, maybe they are put off. One friend told me she tried the first episode but the dialogue was so bad she didn't want to keep watching. She said the same thing as viajero: CLUNKY. I suggested she try with the subtitles instead. It's too bad the dub isn't better. I can understand Spanish, so I've just been listening to the original and think the dialogue is fine.

I assume General Pickens's nickname was "Slim".

Well, I can see hearts on other people's posts, but not on my own, although I get like notifications. How am I supposed to know how popular I am without the numbers?!?! I might have to go beat up a high school kid to re-establish my sense of superiority!

HA! I'd love to see Kevin show up Hiram. Really, Hiram, just how fragile is your sense of masculine dominance that you gain anything by defeating a kid who just took up wrestling yesterday? That was pathetic.

I wish they'd give Josie something to do other than be an insufferable snot and a puppet for her parents. The character has so much potential, but she's mostly been a one-dimensional side note. Her mother has more screen appeal and she's up to all sorts of sketchy stuff!

Has the CW relaxed on its key mission as a showcase of youthful pulchritude? WRESTLING?!?! UCK. I don't know why, but wrestling unitards completely gross me out in a way that neither spandex shorts nor skimpy tank tops can do on their own. I think they look completely disgusting and everyone, EVERYONE, even CW hotties, looks gross in them. Is this just a fact or do I have some sort of subconscious baggage regarding wrestlers? And really, Hiram? Locking antlers with a 16-year-old? All that effort to humiliate him? This would be a bad look on Hiram if he were only 20. As a 40-ish man who is also a successful shady businessman, he should really be above such petty juvenile antics. It's just making him look insecure. Cooper breakfasts really are something. They all had a full glass of orange juice, but the pitcher was still full! How much orange juice do they need? Plus a mountain of pancakes and, of course, maple syrup. Maybe they'd all be a little more functional if they cut back on the sugar and simple carbs a bit. Betty trying to talk about dark tendencies and mental illness while Alice tried to play Happy Healthy Family was a hoot. Poor Juggie, the Rebel Desperate For a Cause. He seems to have forgotten that he was only very briefly a southsider. He also seems to have an inflated idea of how much an abused outsider he was at Riverdale High. Aside from Reggie and Cheryl, who are awful to everyone, the students there mostly seem indifferent to Jughead and his not fitting in and not wanting to fit in. Maybe he's upset that his misfittery isn't getting more attention. Yeah, he was homeless and his family sucks, but the northside and his fellow students aren't the problem there. His anger is misplaced. I hope his mother eventually gets a large piece of someone's mind for abandoning him. Is Betty's BROTHER really going to get her into cam girl work? A of all, the idea of one's brother training her in sex work is all kinds of squicky, B, this is definitely not something a 16-year-old should be doing, C, if Chic sets her up in this, isn't he producing/distributing kiddie porn, D, has she lost her damn mind? E, this is not something any of us needs to see. Was Betty supposed to be shocked when she was informed of Chic's online exploits? She already knew he'd been turning tricks for violent clients. If anything, doing stuff over the interwebs has got to be a hell of a lot safer. Aren't they still there? Do you see the heart I clicked on your post? It's on the right side now on my screen.

At least she didn't say she's baggage! That would be a whole other level of insinuation!

Well, Alice isn't a Blossom. I had thought of Fred. Maybe all these scenes of Betty and Archie gazing at each other through their bedroom windows are misdirection and really Alice and Fred are the ones who have been hopping across to the opposite bunny hutch. Maybe Chic is Hal's kid, but Polly and Betty are secretly Fred's, and THAT's why Alice is so opposed to Betty cozying up to Archie. Sheriff Keller as the father would be a good outsider twist. I think Hiram would be unlikely to produce a kid who looks like Chic. But not impossible.