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R: Mack going to college; while I feel that she should be punished for what she did to the full extent of the law, and I do think that women who attend her classes should be protected from being triggered by her presence, if ANYONE desperately needs lessons in developing her critical faculties, it's her.

Looks like Gab's daughter made it... https://etcanada.com/news/609085/gabrielle-carteris-daughter-molly-nabs-golden-ticket-after-auditioning-for-american-idol/

Weird...Mollie Isaacs, daughter of Gabrielle Carteris ("Andrea Zuckerman" of Beverly Hills 90210) has been hinting she auditioned for American Idol, and confirmed she has a golden ticket just now...but she wasn't on tonight? Aren't the auditions over? (I listened to some of her songs. She's pretty good).

Started because there wasn't one.

I liked the cute dude on the piano emulating Billy Joel. Pity they passed on him.

So Carteris' daughter (Mollie Isaacs) on American Idol seems to be a thing that is happening. This is her Instagram:

Ok, Jennie Garth just posted this on Twitter and I don't know WHAT to think anymore... https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniegarth/status/1192605647554039809 ...except that maybe the producers are still angling for a Netflix pickup or something.

Alas, Fox passes on renewal: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/bh90210-not-returning-on-fox-1203397856/

The news is scant, but apparently one of Gabrielle Carteris' daughters is trying out for American Idol. I listened to a couple of her songs on Instagram - she's not bad.

I tend to doubt he'd live hundreds of years if he isn't actually plugged into a weirtree the way Bloodraven was - and doing so would likely put a crimp in his ruling. Otherwise, I totally agree with your points that Bran the Omniscient sociopath who planned his ascent to the throne and has no succession wouldn't make a good ruler.

My memory's pretty hazy, but IIRC, they literally did touch, in the sense of Andrea platonically leaning against him once when they sat together at the Peach Pit. What they didn't do was any PDA you'd expect a dating couple to do, like kiss. Amazon Prime seems to have it, though I haven't consumer-tested it.

I agree that her management style is gratuitously and unnecessarily abrasive and nasty, with elements of the gleefully sadistic. It could stand a lot of improvement. But I can't think of a moment in the series when that style caused a problem in the production, or worsened one that already existed. She was riding herd on a pack of difficult people with the job to make them produce usable product. Tori really DID need a kick in the ass to get her to do HER job to fire the writer. I don't think having the kick be more kindly would have made a difference to the outcome. Same with, say, her announcement of the cancelled insurance. The cast's idea of catching the criminal themselves was unusably silly (and shown to be so by the end of the episode). Her being nicer about telling them so, again, would've made no difference to the outcome. As far as Christine's position with HER superiors is concerned, she got her subordinates to produce a product interesting enough to use when most other pilots disappear without a trace, a complete waste of company money. I think both she and they are going to count that a success, and an indication that what she's doing is working and she should do more of it.

It's not at all unusual for a pilot to have actors recast and elements reshot before it goes to series. Someone was saying that the fact that it was proves that Christine is a poor executive and the pilot a fiasco, but IIRC 90210's pilot itself was reshot with the recast dad, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer had its original Willow recast. The fact that it was picked up instead of being cast aside as a total waste of money counts as a success thus far.

I figured. I still think Tori was the only one who would logically want one of those - but I suppose Cadillac might've felt she wouldn't have been the right image for the product, there being the doubt as to how she could possibly be paying for it.

See, that's the problem, to me. What we see of them and Christine could mean that Gab and her husband have reconciled completely and are living together again, or that they are just friendly and talking again, and that she and Christine have broken up, or remain friends with benefits, in whatever undefined permutation. Presumably ONE of these combinations has happened, but the show doesn't bother to tell us which, even though (as you note) the show's taken a lot more care in the course of the series to draw her character clearly and interestingly than they did in this last episode, and even though each possibility would develop G's character differently. PICK one, already, show. Chekov's gun on the mantel may build suspense, but it loses all effect if you hear a 'bang' offstage and the play ends without ever showing whether the noise was a gunshot or a car backfiring. Plot happenings shouldn't be like those optical illusions that switch between a duck and a bunny. Rorschach 90210 with Schrodinger's soap opera non-reveals is just tiresome.

Something not very relevant I just remembered - last time we saw that ridiculously huge white Cadillac bus thing Gab was driving, we were going to see Jamie Walters at his roadhouse. I just assumed Gabby had taken over driving Tori's car because Tori wanted to nap in the third row, and with her huge family Tori would need a vehicle like that. But in this last episode we see it's definitely Gab's car. What would an empty nester want with such a huge dinosaur? It's the details that annoy.

I was tired when I saw it too, and I am not in fact fond of screaming and crying scenes myself. But in the last episode we see she's taken a step she was invested in when she came out to her friends. She was obviously afraid to do so but felt it was important enough to do it when we've seen she doesn't usually confide in the cast at large about her issues. And her relationship with Christine was the goad and the catalyst for that, however casual it was. And we saw her get the flowers from her husband with the implication that he's looking for a reconciliation, which she looks at best ambivalent about. But THIS episode we don't see her exchange so much as a word alone with Christine, seeming to imply that whatever they had was pretty much over. Her husband comes to New York for the premiere, and it sure seemed like they were going to be staying in the same hotel room - though again I plead tiredness in judging, it looked that way to me. That and their cordial air together, when we last saw him marching away declaring he wasn't going to 'pine away' while she 'explored,' seems to imply they DID reconcile - offscreen. So it seems that at least two important scenes to clarify what has happened to Gab's character - one with Christine and one with her husband - were sloppily omitted, which contrasts unfavorably with the thoughtful pace of her story till this last episode. I'd've been fine with both those scenes being played thoughtfully through calm "adult conversation", but I think they should have been included.

I was disappointed that some fair writing and good acting on several people's parts was put into Gab's storyline, that we were shown that she was invested in exploring it, made sacrifices for it, set up a new relationship, told her people about it - then in the last episode all she did she essentially brushed aside with the equivalent of "meh, wasn't that important."

Seems like it...but what about Jason's previously nonfunctional balls?

The actors all did their best...but I think the story let them down. A lot of wasted time and storylines dropped for too long and then picked up again way too fast and sloppily. I feel a little better about the possibility of its not being picked up due to apparently oncoming disappointment.

Modine ran for president of SAG-AFTRA recently and lost to Gabrielle. It was his spokesman that apparently liked and retweeted what that actress said about getting rid of Gabrielle (illustrated with a clip from Scarface). Modine apparently has said and done nothing about his rep's action publicly at all. I have absolutely no knowledge of the underlying political issues behind their rivalry, but casually judging from some of his followers and to some extent Modine himself on Twitter and some recent news articles, he's coming off as a douche.

I know, right?!?

So this is some weird shit: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sag-aftra-condemns-retweet-death-threat-gabrielle-carteris-1238142

That...actually would explain a lot.

We saw him say to Gabrielle to go ahead and explore, he won't be pining, and walks away. Jason then moves in with her. We see her wake up from her nightmare to a pointedly empty bed. That's conclusive enough for me. But as a bonus, after her night with Christine, she apologizes to Jason for not telling him she wouldn't be coming home that night. Jason seems aware and fine with how and who she spent the night with - which would have made for a VERY awkward conversation between Jason and Gabby's husband if he'd still been living there. Not to mention her castmates didn't question the status of her thirty year marriage when she told them she'd been dating someone, so it seems they're already aware that something 's happened to her marriage. I think on the whole it does seem like they separated, and that her upset at receiving the flowers is about him apparently wanting a rapproachment after leaving with the stated intention to 'not pine away'. Obviously they've got to talk. ETA: Also, what Doodlebug said.