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Teresa doesn't talk about Joe and Melissa's kids. Joe and Melissa did a podcast about how the girls should be grateful to them for filming the Teresa checks in thing and being there for them and bringing income into their home by filming. RHONJ wasn't filming without Teresa so Joe and Melissa weren't getting the RH money or camera time so filming that was to their benefit too, yet they acted like it was selfless. Joe Gorga talked badly to the girls about Joe Giudice (who he recently saw in the Bahamas and acted like it's all good when they see each other even though Giudice looked Hella uncomfortable) which provoked Gia and Melania to respond in past seasons. There have been times when the girls should stay out of it but on topics that involve them, they have a right to respond. Plus I doubt the Gorga kids care about wedding talk. Also given Melissa was on Jeff Lewis' podcast talking about how Joe 'lost it ' on Antonia yelling and took her car away because she wouldn't drive her brother somewhere on the nannies day off because they were 'tired' and I guess telling their son 'no' isn't an option for Sexist Joe or just driving their own kid and now it's for the public to know thanks to Melissa, I don't think their parenting is something to be like. Seriously, now the Gorga's are mad about Melissa's family not being invited. I noticed Joe made it about how they were respectful to his parents, not Teresa, to the guys. He knows Melissa's sisters and BILs were nasty to Teresa and Joe Giudice on camera because he laughed at some jokes and were fine with the other comments. One of Melissa's sisters was screaming with Joe at the Christening and said inviting them was a technicality in front of Gia. The show loves flashbacks but of course none of Melissa's sisters trashing Teresa were shown. There was no reason Joe needed to bring up wedding invites at guys night except he needs his artime to act like roid raged diva and scream to an audience. Will they ever have a story this season not about Teresa? Oh right Melissa told Danielle about Jackie's comments even though she was laughing about them with Marge and Jackie (Jackie is coming off like a desperate teenager trying to remain in the 'in crowd.') But then the topic turned to sister in laws. Danielle is trying to befriend everyone but there was definitely chunks of her family story missing. I do get some bad vibes from Louie but I'm also starting to get weird vibes from Paulie. Frank needs boundaries, but I'm getting very possessive vibes from Paulie, not just boundaries. This should be coming from Dolores, not him and when she does speak about it it seems like she's saying/doing what Paulie wants and not how she wants them. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Rachel is okay but the decision to have a baby needs to be mutual. They have 2 under 2 and a teenager, if her husband (John?) isn't ready for another Rachel shouldn’t be pressuring him. Yeah women carry the baby but if hes an involved father he may feel stretched too thin caring for them after considering he also works.

Yup. It's been in mainstream news so unless these HWs are completely ignorant of that fact (which some are but I don't think Marge is) they just blatantly do not care that regular people cannot get needed medication because of their vanity. Marge is not someone I consider even over weight. Flaunting the use really rubs me the wrong way even more than those using it in secret. It has some bad side effects too. I'm glad Jackie spoke out but I don't see her cutting Marge out over it because Marge even made some digs at Jackie's eating in the Hamptons behind her back and stuff and a half assed "sorry it hurt you" was good enough for Jackie though I doubt any other HW would get away with it.

Portia and Curtis were a drag on an otherwise solid episode. The retcon of Heather as the hook all along was bs but I've been expecting it. Everyone brought their A game to Wyndemere and AP is holding her own/isn't getting lost amongst the vets. JL keeps knocking it out of the park. What's RoHo's status? Could Austin be dead? Laura may as well be police comminish. I wonder if Felecia and Ava will have to end up saying Esme didn't appear to be there willingly. Spencer and Trina finally kissed. Though on this show I'm always worried sooner rather than later they'll feel a need to give either Trina or Joss a baby and Sprina is the more popular pairings. Yeah Ava's non reaction was some bullshit.

Sonny and Ava keep having cordial, if not friendly interactions, and I like it. I think the first time I really noticed was when Ava invited him to a hypothetical divorce party a few weeks back. Ava's one liners/mood at the wedding were fun. CM sounds like a game show host, not a best man. I hope Stella doesn't catch heat for this. Jordan pulled her in to the secret and while sure Curtis can say she should have told him, it's really on Portia. She didn't want to involve Trina, either but Trina wouldn't leave. I guess Trina has never seen an episode of Maury that she couldn't get a clue. Spencer looked liked he figured it out at one point but the writing hasn't said so.

If you also start to inquire about the seating arrangements it may increase your odds of getting out 😃

It's season 13 and the sprinkle cookies are still being brought up. Same with the Joe vs Joe fight, which Gorga absolutely started but couldn't finish. Both Joe's, Teresa, Melissa and probably Louie are all "bad seeds" to varying degrees. Gabriella never speaks so next week could be interesting. Interesting Marge is only mad Jen went to her friend and not Teresa. Nothing has been revealed yet Marge is panicking. Everyone says she has information on everyone so I'd like it if this were her chickens coming home to roost but probably not, she'll escapeblame. I believe Marge said what she supposedly said about Melissa and I also kinda think M&J are mostly together for the show I feel like Melissa has been sick of Joe for years. I think Melissa wants Teresa's part held until the end. I like Danielle doesn't have a McMansion. She can be over the top, but nice. Mozzarella party sounds more fun than what was going on at Marge's gathering, except of course the fights had to happen. Jackie was rude to Rachel last episode. I'm not sure that still image of Jackie/Danielle is proof she was appraising her clothes/bracelets but I do think Jackie is feeling pressure with the demotion so she very well been eying up a replacement. Jens kids may roast her but they always seem nice/welcoming to other kids which I like.

Don't do it, Liesl! Given how the umbilical cord between Carly and Michael has never been cut its weird she's been accepting of most of his girlfriends. Granted they've generally all been Michael ass kissers but still.

I know Austin was just helping Ava and that could've put him in a mood but he didn't seem upbeat about any news Teri may come in with for Willow. Is there still hope for Die, Willow, Die. I mean it would be a shame for Michael's dick to only death curse 2 of 3 sisters. Amelia is too normal for people who find Wylie an acceptable name but ok. Of course Michael would keep the Corrinthos name.

Yeah, she's been demoted to friend.

I don't think she gave up her whole family. The Teresa/Joe dynamic was always going to fall hard once both of their parents were gone. It's not like they had some wonderful stable relationship that Luis has ruined, and I don't like him very much. The toxicity has played out for a decade. The Gorgas haven't spoken to the Wakilies since they parted from the show, despite claiming to be so close for the cameras. They're all a group of Users. And I bet if Teresa and Joe and Melissa are offered to come back next year they will because of the money. When the show is gone then they'll all really be done and I think it was always going to turn out that way.

I'm not into the new girls yet but I'm also sick of the Teresa/Joe/Melissa stuff so we'll see if the newbies end up bringing something fresh. What did Teresa say about one girl being connected to Caroline? Joe snubbing Teresa and Teresa saying "why'd you invite me" in her TH was right out of The Christening. J/M won't go to Teresa's party but will invite her to theirs and Joe immediately had to bitch about Luis' shirt/non costume. Did Joe and Melissa do anything else but talk about Teresa? Oh yeah Melissa claimed Antonia wants to live in a different house for senior year (sure) and how she's gonna drive her brothers to school, though Melissa said they have a Nanny six days a week on a podcast, I think it was Jeff Lewis'. She also told a story about them ordering Antonia to drive her brother somewhere in the snow because it was the Nanny's one day off and Joe and Melissa were tired. They can't be bothered with their own kids and can't have a story without Teresa. Evan is the most attractive of the men imo. But I'm sick of the men. It's all done because Andy wants Joe Gorga to have as much air time as possible. The clip of Marge wanting to do a memorial for Teresa's Mom seemed manipulative back then to portray herself as wonderful and calculating to be on Teresa's good side. I still feel the same though now Marge sees herself as the star when her stories are butting into other people's stories and skating on having her name always in rumors and supposedly "having information on everyone " The make up definitely won't last long.

Carly and Jr's hate for Nina and Sonny are so unhinged they were worried about poor Michael having to be around them. Someone save the baby from their clutches. Now would be the time for Monica to swoop in. Hell, I'd settle for Kristina. That death sequence was the blandnest ever. Which is appropriate for Willow.

Not sure exactly. They went from her first to third trimester. And Willow was so insistent at first the baby shouldn't be born because she'd be premature. Please no to the name Hope. Though it would be a Frank thing to do to name Michael's daughter the name of Starr's kid they killed off for her entrance story to free her up for Michael's orbit. Not sure exactly. They went from her first to third trimester. And Willow was so insistent at first the baby shouldn't be born because she'd be premature. Please no to the name Hope. Though it would be a Frank thing to do to name Michael's daughter the name of Starr's kid they killed off for her entrance story to free her up for Michael's orbit.

Oh joy, the sex trafficker will be on tomorrow to give Willow the fight to live. Because no way am I lucky enough for her to usher Willow into the afterlife with her sisters who also died after a stint with Michael. I won't give up on Die, Willow, Die just yet. That's one big premature baby. But hey, it seems we're getting spared a baby switch. So they refilmed the confession, I guess he'll be around for a while. Though I still wonder if they're getting ready to write Nik off in a month or so.

I'm baffled by this trend. I understand why some people want certain other work done but having the sides of your face looking caved in? No. Why? I've yet to see anyone look good with it.

I'm still on team Die, Willow, Die.

I'd prefer the baby to live and Willow die. Willow has clung to Wylie and uses him as a replacement child to an unhealthy extent instead of doing actual grieving for the baby she lost and the trauma of the cult. Willow outright was telling Wylie right before she passed out that Nina was a bad person. She has no empathy. She forgives Harmony, wants Michael and Sonny to work things out and thinks Carly is wonderful (someone should tell her Carly's relationship with Franco after what he did to Michael. ) And here's the thing, Nina was using Charlotte as a replacement kid, I hated that too, which was the original cause of Willow vs. Nina. But again, no empathy. Willow would target a teacher saying Wylie was a bully, too. They're never going to address Willow's mental state. The show doesn't need another baby, so they both could go but if it has to be a choice let Willow die as a result of her waiting and end her miserable character if they're going to refuse to address anything real.

I don't see Sonny killing Dex either. I don't actually think Dex would entertain killing Cam at all either, despite Joss' disgusting threat. Where was the talk of stem stells before right now? Wouldn't that have been discussed as a plan B, especially when they first brought up delivering the baby early? Great, we're gonna get "big bad" Nina mad everyone is falling at Carly's feet (and her bed.) I'm hoping something happens with the treatment where Nina is now next of kin since Willow and Michael aren't married, but probably not. Actually I wish Nina would wash her hands of these assholes but it won't happen. No one will consider the fact that Nina was a victim of multiple crimes that caused her coma, loss of decades and two stolen babies.

Yeah, the Joss/Cam scene was extra bad for Joss even before her attitude and threats started because he went there thinking she was probably distraught about Willow like a decent person would be. But no, she was getting laid and ordering food with Mobby bf. Like Mother like daughter because now Carly's all about hitting the sheets with Drew. Sonny is being less selfish, focused on Nina (which is about Willow and he's not trying to get Nina in bed) and Michael than Carly/Joss.

So now that Nina isn't a match, who will it be? Wylie since he's on tomorrow? Dante since we know he was tested? Carly, because the world revolves around her? It would drive Carly, Michael and Joss crazy if Ava were the one to be a match and I could see her getting tested for Nina and because Willow is now Kikis half sister. Personally I'm still Team Die, Willow, Die.

I noticed it during the day Willow went to the hospital.

Writing Spencer doing a full 180 on Cam from the insufferable "townie" days is surprising and so refreshing. Meanwhile there's Joss, who is getting worse by the day.

Joss needs someone to put her ass in check. She absolutely threatened Cam's life. Cam's awesome scenes won't be enough because he's "the ex." Or the hook can just try again, 3rd times a charm.

Joss doesn't owe Cam anything but also Cam must keep her and Dex a secret because she says so. Oh Carly raised her exactly as expected. Joss is still withholding she'd kissed Dex a few times before NYE. And I do think a person is owed to be told they were cheated on whether it's a kiss or sex. I hope Cam will tell everyone she cheated but he'll definitely keep it to himself for Joss and Jason Lite. Laura better get to lay into Nik upon finding out he held her captive with plans to take the baby. Nice of Leo to have his niece and nephews over for a sleepover.

The pressure of being on TV and how it shows everything is why once Jackie revealed she struggled with ED, I started to worry about her being on HW and saw a relapse coming a mile away. People without established ED start to become more image and weight conscious. It just seems like a bad environment for someone who already had an ED and clearly it was bad for her. The Manzo kids did seem entitled to success but didn't seem to want to work. I never really bought Albie blaming law school on his advisor. At the time you get to college with a learning disability you get good at advocating for yourself. Plus after law school he went through several careers, I just don't think he was career oriented but they were quick to blame everyone but Albie for law school. I thought Caroline had Al were rude/snobby when they went to Vitos family deli. Al clearly didn't like Lauren's bf cutting cold cuts for a living even though his own son wasn't putting his college degree to use. I guess because a deli isn't a catering hall it's not a good enough fambly business. Working at the fambly business is fine if you're putting effort into it and aren't handed a top spot (I think Chris started out parking cars), I think Chris Manzo had the personality to make a good banquet manager but that didn't seem good enough (though if the Brownstone really is "connected" and that's why Chris really left, I understand that completely) instead him and Albie went off to have failed businesses. Lauren left the Brownstone so her mother could buy her a salon.