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I just started watching when I remembered today that it was a thing. This show makes me miss Wipeout. No seriously. I think the summer needs a weird frothy competition show. I would also accept American Gladiators. I didn't realize how much I liked this type of show; I might keep watching. There are a number of things that would make this better like better match ups, funner games, fairer scoring for events.

Yes, I would want them shot after the team figures out what happened to the real Gardner sisters and save them. Blow the widows away, send Tucker up the river and move onto the next revenant/demon challenge. That's at least 2 more episodes of content after the gun glows. It's not like there are a limited number of other challenges in the Ghost River Triangle. This one story doesn't have to last the season, especially when they have to make characters less good at their jobs and less smart in order to do it.

If you think the Gardner sisters are related to the Black Widows, why not point Peacemaker at them to make sure they are not the demons? If they were it would glow, right? If there is only one other guy who might be the baby's father why not just have Doc's DNA tested? If it's not him then it has to be the other guy... I have a hard time continuing to love all the things I love about this show when major parts of the story have the structural integrity of Swiss cheese.

Overhyped. It was a good episode, I enjoyed it. but the cast and crew had been hyping the hell out of it to a degree that was not warranted. Again, very impressed that they kept the secret that the lead actress had a baby for 6 months. How even? But the Wynonna is pregnant reveal was okay at best. Especially since I had been thinking about the show in my spare time (as one does) and realizing that if something happened to Wynonna it would be the (presumed) end of the Earp line and the curse would never end, revenants would roam the Ghost River Triangle forever, etc.

Featuring my favorite 80's trope, the training montage of people sucking and improving. Breeds hope and all that...

I am, in fact, a black lady and this is what I came here to say. He did some dirty and he is a bad person. But I bristle at the ratio of references to Cosby's misdeeds versus Polanski or Woody Allen, both of whom continue to get work. People go after Cosby in pop culture more and with more certainty. And it makes me feel some kind of way that he seems like an easier target.

Didn't watch the first season but I'm looking forward to this. I have been waiting for years for Elodie Yung to have a role in an American production that was worth watching. Just me? Okay then...

Kalinda effing up Blake's ride is a contender for King of Disparate Things mountain on this very website! http://previously.tv/television/the-walker-texas-ranger-lever-vs-kalinda-smashing-up-a-car/ Vote early and often!

No one has said it but this feels like the place. Adele's cellist during "Hello" was giving me life. She seemed to be enjoying herself so much. You could just see the thought bubble above her head: "I'm on stage with fucking Adele. This is livin'. L-I-V-I-N." She's basically my hero.

This has been sticking in my craw all day. I realize that it's partly that I have lived something of an unwanted celebrity experience in my own career and also because I love Frances McDormand. I struggle with people's interpretation of her demeanor last night. I think being subject to our interpretation is part of what she is rebelling against. And it is an intentional rebellion. In reviewing Frances McDormand's awards appearances she has always been dry and thoughtful rather than breathless and simple. I really appreciate that about her and her acts of resistance. Also, she is pretty funny sometimes as evidenced here: https://youtu.be/EtLPPda-meE. Now I'll be in my corner watching my VHS of Laurel Canyon and being a Stan.

Absolutely. I am referring to the weekly podcast hosted by the creators of this very site. I am not a crackpot is defined here as "perfectly sensible opinions the world has yet to embrace for some stupid, misguided reason." They are doing a full episode of "I am not a crackpot" submissions while the usual team is on a hiatus.

Anyone planning to participate in the I Am Not A Crackpot extravaganza on the podcast? I think our speculation here is ripe for the picking. Also, I feel that if we don't keep the issue alive the forces for bad(television writing) win.

I get why they have to equivocate, because they are journalists and not professional speculators but I thought that their argument about Archie Panjabi not necessarily being blameless was weak. But maybe I've done too much research to be convinced. That said, I appreciate their critique of the awful splitscreen debacle and the impact Kaliciagate had on the show.

Condescension thy name is June Thomas: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2015/05/18/good_wife_finale_why_are_people_so_upset_over_the_faked_finale_scene.html Unhelpful clickbait claiming to have proof, thy name is "Staff Reporter": http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/20278/20150517/good-wife-star-archie-panjabi-axed-show-rift-julianna-margulies.htm

Oh, I don't disagree with you. I was just arguing that JM's lack of regard for her colleagues played out in particularly harsh way when it came to AP. I think that the last two seasons on the set probably were frought with JM, as actor/producer, throwing her weight around. I posted a little while ago about how she said of Josh Charles in an interview with the LA Times last year that "It can be frustrating for an ensemble player when you're on a show that is mainly about one character." It's such a condescending "haterz gon' hate" thing to say in the press that I don't doubt it would be evident in how the actors interacted. I think you can probably see this attitude play out in the storylines in season 6; none of the "ensemble players" has much to do with "one character".

I see a couple of speculative threads shaking out on these forums and I personally am not convinced of the "inciting incident" theory. Like blixie, I am a beliver in the slow burning "jealousy and animous" theory starting after Archie won the Emmy in 2010. I think conflicts compounded over time and that's why we didn't see it overtly on the show until season 4. I think creative differences probably catalyzed some of those but I think, JM is a fundamentally bitter person (if the amount of complaining she does in the press is any indication) and is in particular about the fact that everything isn't about her. And despite all odds, AP had impressive years in 2011 and 2012. Archie got attention for her role as Kalinda even without JM as her scene partner and she quickly parlayed her visibility from the Emmy win into a profile as a philanthropist, she wrote the forward of a legitimate academic publication, she got invited to Harvard while being represented in the press as a humble, genuine delight (because, as I far as I can tell from the research she is humble, genuine, and pretty delightful). While JM had a higher profile (as evidenced by Google Trends) AP made a lot more headlines. Plus JM is the type A personality to AP's type B. Archie seemed to just enjoy the ride and I can imagine JM seething over it. Appropos of reviewing press and a BA in Psychology, I also think some of the animous happened because after the big reveal JM developed a distaste for Kalinda and was dismayed when the audience didn't. In the press she seemed to make it pretty clear that WE were the completely out of touch ones. JM's distate grew as the audience voiced undying love for the character. It seems the majority saw what was fundementally redemable and good about Kalinda and JM couldn't. That leads me to wonder if JM had some really bad experience with infidelity in her past that was somehow triggered by all of this. It might be what allowed her to connect with the Alicia character in the first place. But I think, as the jealousy grew, as creative difference about characterization and plots unfolded, JM's animous for Kalinda was projected onto AP. Add these personalities and cirumstances to hundreds of 16 to 18 hour days over the course of two years and I do think it could create the festering pot of awful that has finally come to a head.

In context of how we know JM sees herself and the show this quote is chilling: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-st-good-wife-finale-20140518-story.html I didn't know where to put this comment since it's from almost exactly one year ago(I actually thought I had posted it in the media thread but apparently not). It's pretty hard to swallow that a show which garnered 3 SAG nominations for Outstanding Drama Esemble in it's first three years of eligiblity is "mainly about one character" such that a member of said ensemble is frustrated enough to leave after the fourth year. (Does that shift correspond with JM's producer credit?) I really think JM's ego got in the way of the best things about this show in the end - the world it created through characterization and relationships. I think this shift in vision speaks to how fractured all of the voices surrounding this debacle are. Many shows have a main character without shunting the rest of the cast into the background. It's a shame this happened but It's such an interesting case study for the television industry/showrunning.

Absolutely agreed. As much as I have come to love Archie, I don't know how keeping the character did her or anyone involved any favors. As a cynic, I can only think that the showrunners/network thought that they could keep Kalinda fans as viewersand that those fans were too stupid to realize how much writing around the "situation" would degrade the plot and characterization. We know at least one producer doesn't think much of us. It makes sense that Archie wouldn't breach contract but it seems incredibly foolish of the Kings and CBS not to just let her walk with an NDA and a nice bonus. Problem solved, no?

Somebody somewhere said that this should be the topic of the next season of Serial. I. Am. Down. Barring that I'll take a Serial style spoof that lays out all of the facts and speculation a la Sarah Koenig. I am going on record as willing to contribute to a crowdfund to make that happen. The more I dig into this the more I'm pissed off as a queer woman of color for whom visibility matters and as someone who has experienced workplace bullying. I really do want to publicly shame the people responsible for this debacle. This thread is bringing out the worst parts of my nature...and the worst parts of my nature are are giggling with spiteful glee. Deep diving to the first page of this thread, Kromm challenged someone to track down evidence of when the two actresses stopped being seen together. Allow me to submit into evidence this image from October 26, 2013. Where does this fall in the timeline of the falling out? I think it might be around about the last time they breathed the same air at the same time. Anyone got anything more recent?

I'm not one for treating the lives and conflicts of real people (who have not signed on to a reality show)like a spectator sport. That said, Team Archie F.T.W! I'm enjoying the shit out of this speculation! Thought I'd pile on Queen Julianna with some evidence of her unpleasantness that I've culled over the week and hasn't shown up here yet. 1. "CBS's sexy "The Good Wife" clip gets press hot, Margulies bothered" - Found this lead on L Chat. I am including because it's one more depiction of JM as self-serious, humorless and priggish. Edited to add: corraborating sources for this incident (because it sounds OTT enough to be made up) here and here. She sounds like an effing.nightmare. 2. Emmy Roundtable video - Found this one on tumblr. JM starts talking about fandom at 4:10 and basically rants until the end of the video. Clearly, part of her objection to the Kalicia-relationship-revival comes from her utter disdain the fans. (While I agree that writers should not be completely at the will of viewers), her tone and language are incredibly disrespectful. She seems to think we are idiots. If she called some of the shots about how they handled the conflict then it is no surprise at how unconvincing and ham-handed it was; she seems to have very little regard for the audience.She did use of the phrase "my writers" after all... Contrast JM's attitude with how Archie talks about the fans and the fans commitment to these characters. It really is like night and day. I wonder if that contrast is in some way mixed up in this conflict.