SwordQueen

I'm betting that you're right. And you know what? I don't even care what Brandi brings to "prove" that Kyle is a horrible sister. So what if Kyle didn't see that there was some 2AM emergency with Kim? So what if Kyle wasn't available? So what if Kyle knew the drill and wasn't alarmed because this was typical Kim? So what, because Kyle isn't 100% responsible for Kim. If Brandi thought Kim was in such danger of herself, then there's a handy little number she could have called (911). She could have also called Better Sister Kathy or gone to Kim's house herself and taken her to the ER. But again, it seems to be on Kyle's shoulders whether Kim lives or dies and that's some kind of bullshit. So Brandi can just STFU with that. Kyle's actions don't make Brandi's excusable, so I'm not even sure what her point is with all of this nonsense. This women actually raises and cares for two children? Now I'd like to see some proof of that!

All I remember of Mr. Joyce is "Planet Trash". Still laughing.

I turned it off during the first or second commercial break. I don't even remember. Blah. I am interested in what Andy said to Brandi during the reunion taping re: LVP and how she (Brandi) goes too far, that had her so upset, because you know it must have been a true statement.

Can you imagine what it would be like to have the two Drunks of Deflection going at each other? "You were talking about my three year, my business, 100% sobriety behind my back!" "My father's dying." "Brandi, YOU'RE A LIAR!" "I think I just saw Scheena, you know, the one who slept with my husband 25 years ago." "What about MY PAIN?" "What about MY DOG?" "What about MY NIGHTS?" "What about MY BAD WEAVE?" "You stole my Goddam House!" "No, LeAnn did, at the same time as when she stole my husband!" "You're not being supportive!" "Why is everything my fault, when you do the same things?!" "Look, I'm wearing a funny blouse! I'M KOOKY!" "I have to take Xanax for my anxiety." "Here's my finger in your face!" "I'm going to kill you!" "Slut pig!" "Deuces Motherfucker!" Fin.

Your post is perfection. I am so tired of Kim getting the "But she has a dissssseeeasseeee" excuse. A lot of us do. Maybe not the same dis-ease, but many, many, many people in the world got problems, and no one else is excused from behaving like a POS, so why should Kim Richards be excused? Combine Kim and Brandi and you've got "I got a disease, bitches!" as the catch-all reaction to anyone questioning their behavior. Ooh, the next t-shirt idea for Kimmie. lol Imma sit right here, next to you. lol I've spent way too many years of my life trying to "save" a certain few people in my life from themselves. I look back now and want to scream (sometimes I do) at how pointless it all was. I wanted to save these people because I didn't think I could or should save myself. So I get Kim and Kyle's "dance". Very much so. I have more, or any, sympathy for Kyle because I do know how it feels to want to help and to have someone throw themselves at you and beg you to help them (or have others expect you to) and then when you try, they tell you how much they hate you, how horrible you are, how this, how that. It's confusing, that push and pull cycle. No matter what you do, you feel like a failure and yes, a martyr because of all of the time and effort you put into someone else, and it's hard not to expect something back from it, either change or at least appreciation from the other person. Not gonna happen. lol I'm laughing at your "It doesn't matter" because I've struggled with that for years and I still don't have it all down. Kyle needs to learn how to separate her reactions from Kim's actions -- even and especially her emotional reactions. Kim is, like so many difficult people, predictable in her actions and attitude. So Kyle needs to stop being caught off guard when Kim acts like Kim. I just want to shake Kyle sometimes because she is never going to be able to "do" or "be" enough for Kim. She needs to focus on her own actions and her own happiness and growth. It's hard as shit though, especially when you've been, like Kyle, conditioned from childhood to need that co-dependency, because that's what you know love to be. I don't dislike Kim because of her diseases. I dislike Kim because she is not a person I see as having many, if any, good qualities that I find admirable, respectable or worthy of my time, effort, and emotion.

She'd just pull all the 'fur' off and try to smoke it.

Huge YES to everything you said, Zoeysmom! Kim can't have it both ways. She can't be independent and highly functioning enough to do what she wants to in this life and not, also, be held accountable for her actions. If she doesn't want to be or cannot be responsible for her own actions, then she needs someone to dictate and measure out her actions for her. But she wants all of the freedom without any of the responsibility. Sounds like a child's/teen's way of thinking --- or that of a spoiled, soulless addict. Kyle owed/owes her sister nothing. Being blood related to someone doesn't make you tied to them for life, obligated to clean up their messes and fund their chosen lifestyle. It's always about poor Kim being a victim of Big Kathy and the stresses of child stardom, but Kyle was also raised by Big Kathy and was a child star... so, then, who is obligated to take care of Kyle? Who should clean up after Kyle's messes? Just because Kyle isn't a drug addict, it doesn't mean she isn't equally or more messed up mentally and emotionally as Kim is. So, is Kyle owed a free ride? Of course not, and neither is Kim. Both sisters may be immature messes but the difference, imo, is that Kyle isn't expecting anyone to clean up after her. Kim needs to save her own life. Most of us have to choose to save ourselves at some point in our lives, some of us more than once or twice. She's no different than anyone else in that respect and really, it's the only way, imo, to really learn how to survive. Being rescued over and over again by others teaches you nothing except how to expect someone to come along and rescue you again. If Kim wants another chance at a free ride then she needs to hitch her flat broke down wagon to yet another rich man. Kyle isn't Kim's sugar sister. I'll bet Mauricio is glad that that pesky line item named "Kim's Messes" is gone from their budget.

OMG Persnickety, that video is creepy as fuck. lol Keep 'em coming! Kim's name in the same sentence as Ozzy's? Blasphemy! lol I never knew who Kim Richards was before this show, and now I know more than I ever wanted to and I'd like to go back to not knowing who she was, please and thank you. I think the only similar teen actress I really remember is Molly Ringwald and I can't say for sure but I don't think I actually saw any of her movies until the early '90s. Kyle was in one of the Halloween movies, right? I know I saw those in the '80's, because Halloween > teen heartthrob movies.

Agree. This is one of the reasons I can't abide Yolanda as this show's Lemon Yoga Yoda. She's terrible at it and she is very surface with her one-size fits all approach to advice and life strategies. Like with Brandi and the detox/cleanse and Kyle and Kim, she seems to think that if it worked for her, then it must work for everyone, no matter the actual situation. She doesn't seem to dig deeper or really grasp the complexities of a situation, so her "solutions" end up being generic and not very helpful. She trusts Brandi's word -- why? She knows Brandi lies or at best, exaggerates the hell out of a story, so why does Yo take what she says and use that to form her opinions? She also knows of Brandi's contempt for just about everyone on this show. For all of this "Why didn't Lisa R or Eileen go to Kim first" business, why didn't Yolanda go to the other women on a one-on-one basis and talk to them before deciding that Brandi was telling the truth or that Brandi was really the victim of some smear campaign? I don't dislike Yolanda, but I don't think she's added anything to this show that couldn't have been achieved by anyone else, imo. I did love the Amsterdam trip, but again, she takes Brandi's word, doesn't communicate to the other HW re: Bella, and gives generic, condescending advice to Kyle re: Kim.

What really brings it home for me is if I replace either Brandi and Kim or Lisa R and Kyle with the two missing HW, Lisa V and Yolanda and think about what would have happened. If LVP and Yo replaced Brandi and Kim, would either have gotten into the limo cracked out and then proceeded to verbally abuse their limo-mate? Would either LVP or Yo have called Kyle and Lisa R stupid, hang all over each other while being overly loud to the point that Vince couldn't be heard, or have openly mocked Eileen's home? Would either LVP or Yo have made rude, threatening gestures to Kyle and then follow her into the bathroom? Would either have left suddenly only to come back into Eileen's home to "thank" Kyle and then run off? Would the one have blocked Kyle from trying to talk to the other and then pushed Kyle down some stairs, or have dropped pizza on the ground and left it there while shouting obscenities in the driveway? Would either LVP or Yo not apologize for such behavior in the moment or the following day? Or... if LVP and Yo replaced Kyle and Lisa R. would Kim have not shown up all cracked out? Would she have been a friendly, fun person to share a limo with? Would she have not been a 100% bitch to all of the other ladies? Would Brandi have not made rude comments to Eileen about her home? Would Brandi and Kim have not called LVP and Yo dumb for not picking up on poker right off? Would Brandi, being in the presence of her two "mothering figures", one past and one present-tense, have passed up the opportunity to show off and either cut down LVP or obsessively hang all over her? Would Kim not behave angrily toward LVP, since there's no love lost and BFF Brandi loves LVP more than her? Would those two have been totally not drunk and/or high at the poker party if not for Kyle and Lisa R? Brandi and Kim made the night chaotic and miserable, because that's who they are, not because of who they were with. I wish I could rewind time and have Poker Night at Eileen and Vince's house with Kyle, Lisa V and R and Yo. I think that would have been plenty fun, raucous, and entertaining, with 100% less crack and assholes stinking it up.

Or ... Brandi Glanville: Xanax, Valtrex, and Tampax. The only thing they'd be good in together is a VD commercial.

I took Latin in public High School. Favorite dead language ever. I still study it because I just love it so much, but I'm weird as shit, so there you go. lol I didn't think Eileen was being overly-involved, but I'm not a parent so what do I know. Maybe he needs more structure than other kids his age do. She does seem like someone who takes school and work seriously though, so I assume she tries to instill that in her kids as well. I wish we saw more of Eileen at work. I'd also love to see her process when learning lines, etc. We did see one scene of her in the studio rehearsing but I'm greedy, I want more. The majority of these HW seem to work outside the home and are pretty driven, so I love seeing them in action.

I agree with your entire post, but especially this. Some people only go to school as a means to an end for a degree or to satisfy their family's expectations. Which is great -- college degrees are required for so many more jobs these days than ever before. But they may not have that intellectual curiosity which drives them to continually seek out knowledge past that stage or even during. Other people, such as myself, who never had the typical college experience and never did exceptionally well in a school setting, are very self-driven to continually learn new information, new skills, and to keep the mind sharp. And people can be both formally educated and self-educated as well. So, I guess I am trying to say that formal higher education, while often necessary for certain careers, isn't necessary for a person to become an intellectually well-rounded individual. Plus, as you also pointed out, going to college later in life is completely acceptable and respectable which, imo, doesn't seem as daunting for those who never have to worry about student loans and finances in general. Yo and Mo's son...Anwar? He's in his mid-teens, correct? I wonder which route he will take with formal education. Or is it just the girls who get pressure from Yo to be famous? lol I would be surprised if either of those girls make it big, since there are so many girls competing to be the next supermodel. But if that's what they want to do, I'm sure they can model for a good number of years and then maybe parlay that into some business venture like so many do. Their father being some kind of entrepreneur or whatever he is, is also boon for these kids when it comes to career options.

OMG LOL I don't remember that. I must have been busy, crawling on the bathroom floor, looking for where I stored my, uh, baking powder, when she said this. I would have loved it if, every time Kim saw or referenced Mauricio, she'd used a completely different "M" name. Would make a great SNL skit or running joke on The Soup or some such place. "Hi, Moses, where's Kyle?" "I didn't hear Brandi say anything about Mario cheating on you!" "I know who stole My Goddam House, and MacDonald was his name-o!"

Big, huge hugs to prettybird and Persnickety. Prettybird, I hope your husband's recovery is quick and uneventful. I'm so glad that the HoWives are all a bunch of annoying chucklefucks, so we could entertain you with our pithy commentary and disgruntled snark. Persnickety, wow, I'm so sorry. You're handling this like a boss though, as if there were any doubt. Will you be able to recover any of your lost motor skills? A cousin of mine had a stroke a few years ago which caused her to lose function on the right side of her body and she's recovered about 90% of it now, so I'm rooting for you! Selfishly, I'll be happy to see more of you around here. ; - )

I agree re: college not being for everyone -- it isn't. Trade schools are also a wonderful alternative, as well. I didn't finish college for a variety of reasons and I wish I had, so that has influenced my opinion of the importance of higher/continuing education a great deal. However, if I were a parent who had as much money as the Fosters/Hadids, I'd also encourage my kids to go out and explore their dreams a bit. I mean, they have the money to not only support their kids' non-college related interests, but also to send them to school wherever and whenever they choose. The privilege of being wealthy comes with so many more freedoms and I can understand why a parent like Yo would feel comfortable encouraging her kids to pursue a shaky career like modeling (or music or the arts) when money is not a consideration.

I completely agree. Some of these chicks bring the nasty and downright demented, while Kyle, to me, always just brought the immature and sometimes mean-girl, which just can't compete, imo. She's not my favorite person ever, but I'd much, much rather hang out with her and whip my hair than be in a room for one second with Taylor, Brandi, and Kim. I don't think I have ever felt the way I do with anyone, than I have with Brandi regarding her marriage. I mean, I've disliked people enough to feel like I "get" why they have ended up all alone in life, but I've never before felt an actual urge to say "HA-HA!" to someone for being cheated on and dumped. lol She actively pisses me off with her insinuations about the other HW and their marriages. Brandi could do some real damage and I don't think she cares one way or the other about it. She's such a miserable cow, who tries to bring others down in order to make herself feel better, that I just can't find one single shred of sympathy for her. It's not even just non-sympathy at this point, it's anti-sympathy. Please, oh please, let her be gone next season. I agree with this in that I don't see Yo as some stage-mom type who is exploiting her girls to make a few bucks. I think she truly sees it as not only a lucrative career, but as a door to a wide variety of life experiences. Maybe her journey with modeling and coming to the US without money to being a successful model and marrying well has colored her view of what it would be like for her girls, who are already living the rich American life and don't have the same struggles that she had. It seems like Yolanda is someone who, like many parents, wants her children to follow in her footsteps because she feels like it has made her the person that she is and she wants to pass that on to her kids. Now modeling obviously doesn't require the same education and skills as say, a doctor, but I think the pressure and expectations are similar, because it's often more about what the parents want for their kids than what the kids want for themselves. How many times have we heard Yo talk about how Gigi is like a younger, better version of herself? I can only imagine how that would make Gigi feel (not to mention Bella). I do wish she was more emphatic about the long term benefits of education, but I also can understand what she means when she says that success in modeling is about youth and timing. I'm not really a fan of the fashion industry, like at all, so I'm 'blah' on the whole thing and I'm tired of hearing from Yo about Gigi's modeling career, but I don't see her in the same light as I do someone like Kathy Hilton, who seemed to push her kids towards fame and money for the sake of fame and money and not for any life lessons or character-building experiences that they would bring. If anything, I think Yo is too idealistic about modeling and I really hope that it doesn't come back to bite her on the ass one day, for the girls' sake. IMO of course.

LOL The blahs are killing me dead. I wish people, particularly Kyle, would just use that response whenever Kim goes off her goddam rocker. "You stole my Goddam House!" "Blah, blah, blah." "I hate your face!" "Blah, blah, blah." "You're a liar!" "Blah, blah, blah" "My 100% pain!" "Blah, blah, blah." "I've been sober for three years!" "Blah, <cough> bullshit, blah, blah." Same with Brandi. The best way to combat those two hosebeasts is to literally "blah" them right out of the room. Maybe a 'yadda' and a Kanye Shrug for good measure. Brandi is always looking for some kind of psychodrama, emphasis on psycho, and Kim wants to bite them and beat them into submission with her finger. Throw some witty verbal smackdowns into the mix, instead, and we can have an entertaining show without it turning into an ugly crying, pointy fingering, frog throating, "My Goddam House-ing" mess.

These made my cold, black heart fill with glee! Everyone on this board is just the best. Even better than Lemon Loves and Chicken Salad Turtles and Horny Swan Monsters.

What is the deal with Yo and LVP anyway? Is it because of Mohamed? It seemed to me, since Season 4, that Yolanda has it out for Lisa, a bit. Maybe it goes both ways, I don't know. Maybe I'm alone in this but I find Yolanda with her kids a bit boring. Her kids are a bit boring, too, for me. Maybe it's because like 99.999% of their scenes are related to modelling in some capacity and she's always going on and on about how Gigi is the bestest best that ever dared to best. No thanks. lol lol Lisa R. was doing a lot of that in the Limo Ride From Hell scenes. And a lot of "OOOOK, Kim, alright". She really is a rabid squirrel, all twitchy and bitey, can be found on the ground searching for "nuts" and making noises no one can understand.

Took me out of the scene as well. This is a great example of Brandi's non-humorous humor and the digs she makes at others' expense. Also, the fact that she's using it on the wrong audience, at the wrong time. Though I'm not sure it is ever humorous to comment on the size of the stones in a person's engagement/wedding ring -- not only to the wife's face, but also in front of the husband. The finger-banging comment was the same. It wasn't some abstract reference or part of the current conversation. It was directed towards someone, calling them out and putting them on the spot. She makes people the butt of her "jokes" and you really have to be careful when you do that. It takes a lot more to pull something like that off and have people react well to it than Brandi could ever understand. Kim is so that person who exaggerates their accomplishments and their role in said accomplishments. She wants to be exalted for doing things that most of us do on a regular basis. If she wants to feel proud of the basic things she is able to do in life then she needs a therapist and maybe a life coach or mentor, who can provide positive feedback for goals completed successfully. She's not the only one who needs or has a set up like this, either. She just can't expect everyone in her family, her friends, and the world at large to make her feel good about herself all of the time, especially when some of these things are done by people the world over, everyday, without having a ticker-tape parade thrown in their honor. . Speaking of Yolanda; I missed her first season on the show, but really didn't like her at all last year. She gave off a very insincere, haughty, know-it-all vibe. Not sure if it was because she was just having an 'off' year or I as missing some context from season 3, or what. This year she's been much better, but also sicker I guess, so maybe that mellows her. I still find her support of Brandi's bullshit annoying though. I hope she's not back next season, so she can focus on her health.

I feel you, AnnA. I'm always doing that, too, because when I wear long sleeves, they are so long that usually cover my hands. But it happens even when I push my sleeves up. I'm a klutz, so I'm always spilling things, dropping things -- I don't know if this is better or not, but I usually drop liquids on something other myself. lol Also, my kitchen sink is one those really old farmhouse sinks, but the basin isn't very deep and if the faucet is turned up too high, the water splashes off of whatever I'm washing and sprays all over me and the floor. Spoons are the worst offenders.

"I know, Brandi. I think we've all seen those Glamor Shots of your tampon, by now." Is it bad that I actually WANT to hear "My Goddam House!" as many times as possible during the reunion? No? Good.

Oh, my ... I don't think I would even wish Brandi's face on Brandi! ...Okay, maybe on Kim.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. lol