SwordQueen

If I take Brandi out of the situation and put another women in her place, then yes I do feel for her. lol But, this is Brandi. She doesn't just create messes within her own life, she tries to (and sometimes succeeds) in making messes in other people's lives, too, and so I just have nothing to extend to her in the way of emotions. 100% True Fact, if that had been almost any other HW (Kyle, Lisa R, Eileen, even Lisa V) in her place, she would be all over that shit, making fun of her, patronizing her, making fun of the guy, contemplating the current state of her vagina, etc. She would be merciless. So, I'm not giving her more consideration that she would give anyone else because of that and because she puts herself in these situations. I think in her mind, when she's planning these things out, she sees herself being this total MILF that every guy wants to bang and ever women wishes she could be. But when reality hits, and it does, she can't handle the discrepancy. That's when she gets all whiney and tries to play the victim. If public opinion had largely shifted in the other direction, she'd be pleased as a peacock about herself.

I'd want to tell her if I were Kyle, but the truth makes no difference to Kim. She was caught in a lie during their conversation about the house being in escrow when Kim was informed about the sale and yet she still persisted in her accusations that she was wronged by Kyle and Mauricio. Kim is only going to care that Brandi has done HER wrong, when she is actually confronted by it and it bothers her enough. She won't (and didn't) believe Kyle and she doesn't care that Brandi hurts her sister and out-and-out lies about her (remember she "didn't hear" Brandi accusing Mauricio of cheating on Kyle). I get why Kyle wanted to say something but it was doomed to be repetition of the same ole, same ole with Kim. I'm not sure what I think Kyle should have done though. It's such a cluster. Also, this whole "my childhood was stolen from me" theme seems like such a turnabout for Kim, since, I believe the video was posted in her thread, there was an interview with Kim and Big Kathy, where Kim says that she has no regrets about being a child star and missing out on normal kid things, since she has her own kids and can experience those things with them. How that Kim became this current Kim, I can only imagine. Maybe she was lying to herself then, too, because she obviously feels that her life isn't what she wants it to be and that Kyle owes her something. She says it's Her Goddam House that Kyle owes her, but if Kyle can whip out those documents and prove that the sale was on the up and up, what would be Kim's "reason" for her anger towards Kyle, then?

Ha, me too. Everything is at 100% now. No more of this pansy 30/60/80% business. It's 100% or Go Home.

This season has been worth all of the headaches, just for the fact that it has brought phrases into my life like: "100% Pain", "Goddam House", "She's your asshole, now.", and now FozzyBear's "Drugs and Unicorns". <---- BTW if I ever change my screen name, I hope you don't mind FozzyBear, if I use your "Drugs and Unicorns". lol I'm going to squirrel these away in my brain for later use in real life. Maybe I can find a way to use them all within the same conversation and really confuse someone.

Well, I'm thrilled if that is in fact true. However, isn't seeing Kim while the cameras are rolling part of Kyle's job? It's part of Kim's job (hopefully not for long) too. They have been filming this show for 5 years now. They have been sisters for over 40 years now. I think the sisterhood and the effort Kyle put into her relationship with Kim came first, before the cameras, and that relationship is what they argue so much about, not so much the one they've had while the cameras are rolling (even though most that time is spend on rehashing things that happened in their relationship before the show), but that's just imo.

I agree that Kyle didn't need to tell Kim anything, because why bother? However, she had no idea, at that time, how much Brandi was going to show her ass (figuratively this time) in her TH and in her conversations, discussing "Kim's Business behind Kim's back". I guess she wanted not only warn her sister and set her straight but to also say "I told you so". They both always have to have the last freaking word. I think Kim loves when she can make Kyle cry like that because she does get to have the last word, all the while being the bigger person and comforting Kyle. She was that kind of big sister -- the one who would take away Kyle's toy/whatever and make Kyle cry and then, with all the authority and faux generosity she could muster, she'd give the toy/whatever back to Kyle, just to see the gratitude and fear/awe on her little sister's face.

This goes for sex, but also for everything else Brandi bitches that other women do and get away with: It's not always what you do, it's how you do it. She has no concept of this and it's absolutely infuriating to watch. What's sad is that I look at her and see someone much younger than I am -- not in beauty, sexuality, potential or charisma, but in maturity and wisdom. She just doesn't seem developed in those two areas and it shows in her words and behaviors. I hope her boys are receiving some form of parenting, somewhere, that includes learning about responsibility, respect, honesty, compassion, integrity, etc. because I can't see Brandi teaching them those things.

I don't like "slut shaming" either, but I don't think this is. No one seems to be saying that Brandi cannot enjoy sex, cannot enjoy sex while not married, cannot enjoy sex with more than one man, or that she must be ashamed of any/all of these things. Anyway, that's not my issue with her because otherwise I'd be slut shaming myself and other women I know, too. lol But she seems to be going after men/sex for really fucked up reasons. Brandi is not a women who is confident and in control of her sexuality -- or her identity as a person, in general. She is not some ideal model of a sexually free women. I honestly can't even say for sure that I think she even enjoy sex on a level that isn't directly tied to her self-worth. [One of] my issues with her is that she's pathetic and desperate and that's just not fun to watch, imo. She seems to think that flaunting her exploits publicly somehow makes her younger/more desirable than the other HW or other women in general and that she's "proving" to the HW how great her life really is by not having what they have. She's accomplishing the exact opposite. I don't think many women out there (could be wrong though) saw those clips and went "Wow, Brandi is so hip, young and sexy for her age!", "She so bangable and young guys just fall all over her!", "I'm/the HW are so jealous of Brandi Glanville!". No. And for me, it's not the age difference as much as it is the attitude. I've always dated older men, always. But I would have never dated a man who would publicly brag about getting some "20 year old pussy" and would definitely eye-roll a man the same way I'm eye-rolling Brandi for saying such things. Also, for me, it's not about the guy's age, or the one night stand -- it's Brandi. Even if this dude were 50 and not 20, I'd have thought her pathetic. But she's trying to make a point with the 20 year old and she made one alright, but it wasn't the one she wanted to make. The whole thing is just so ... I don't even know what. Creepy. She's creepy. She's like some stereotype of a sleazy man in his 40's, you know with the unbuttoned shirt, hairy chest and gold chains, who hangs out in places where younger women are and leers at them. She is sloppy (TY Bossa Nova). Add into it that she has two young children at home, and the whole thing is just that much sadder because she is not just responsible for herself, here. She does have other people to consider in her decision-making. She is not a free 20 year old, who is only responsible for herself, anymore, and it's time she started acting like it.

I love this and I agree. There was no where Kyle could have invited Kim to have their talk that wouldn't have caused Kim to act like a rabid squirrel. Kim has problems wherever Kim goes because Kim is the problem. So she would have still found a reason to bring up that GDH and beat Kyle over the head with it. That GDH is the OG 100% Pain, and it's making its comeback this season. If Kim was so uncomfortable going to the PS house, she could have declined and suggested another location. But then she wouldn't have been able to sir up as much frothy righteous indignation as she did by getting to "tour" the house. That's also too much work to have to take responsibility for yourself, to communicate your feelings and to make alternate plans. Kim worked for 2 minutes in the '80's (Thank you, QuinnM!), so she's set for lyfe, I guess. I really hope that Kyle finally realizes that she doesn't have to feel guilty for building a happy life for herself. She's not her sister's keeper, no matter how many times Kim tells her that she is. Maybe she does need to bring RECEPTS to the reunion, so once and for all, the GDH thing can be settled. Kim will never be happy for Kyle's successes because she feels that Kyle's life is owed to her -- the husband, the happy family, the general good health, the money, the friendships, etc. Why Kim doesn't feel similarly about Kathy, I don't know. I almost wonder if Kyle was really Big Kathy's 'favorite' or something along those lines for Kim to hold her in such contempt. Even taking Kim's pureed frontal lobe and her wonky memory recall into account, I can't imagine that this all started with the GDH. Thank you, everyone, who laid out the GDH timelines and financials, I couldn't keep any of it straight, mostly because I can't understand a damn word Kim is saying most of the time. Her and Brandi begin to sound like Alvin and the Chipmunks, after their voices get to a certain screechiness.

This episode has reminded of why I think Brandi is the fakest of them all. Her "date" that she wanted to showcase, her insistence that she is different from the other HW even though she seems to want exactly what they have, her trying to give Lisa flowers because she really wants to be loved, her dad being in the hospital and the excitement about the facial that turned into tears...Brandi isn't fake like many of the other HW are with flashy stuff. She's faking her whole life. I see someone who is truly hiding from herself, and not just behind designer clothes. Her personality is all over the place and I'm really sure which one is the real her, if any of them are. I wish Yolanda wouldn't have been so kid-glove mothery towards her in the salon, and instead laid it out, in plain words, in that blunt way that she can do so well. It's not Yo's responsibility to do that, but she seemed willing to take on that task, since Brandi is her asshole, now. lol <----- That right there is why I like Lisa V on this show. She gives us little things like that. That and the story about ping pong balls. I'm not ashamed to like "obvious" things sometimes. There's not a whole lot of depth or even reality to these reality shows, I mean, we're talking about BRAVO, here. lol I accept it for what it is and it gives me opportunity to have fun on forums like this one and it actually does make me think about things and challenges my thoughts and opinions, because I'm talking to real people, here, and we all bring much more to the table than these shows do on their own, imo.

I guess my point is, so? Brandi needs to concern herself with Brandi. If they all do the same thing, then why is Brandi disliked for it? The why isn't "it's not fair" nor is it "the other women have better PR". The why is for Brandi and Brandi alone to work on. The other women don't have to treat her "fairly" because what does "fair" really mean? In that case, she is not fair to them, either, so I guess that means it really is fair. I think. lol They don't have to like her, and they don't need a reason why. But they gave her one, more than one and they have communicated it to her, in person. She refuses to accept that and self-reflect. That's not the other HW problem and it's not our problem, as the audience. She can continue to reject what people are telling her in favor of playing victim but it's just going to get her more of the same. She's unlikeable. Not anyone else's problem but hers. And as far as my view of Lisa V -- I know who she is, well enough. Just because I don't care about the marketing stuff when it comes to her, doesn't mean that I haven't seen it. I don't really feel one way or another about her, honestly. I like her for this show. Would I like her in real life? Who knows. But she makes good TV for me. Brandi doesn't. Just because I accept one, doesn't mean I must accept the other. I may like ice cream but just because I like chocolate doesn't mean I have to like rocky road, even though they are both ice cream --- I'm tired, that's the best I can come up with. lol

I will say without the slightest bit of shame that materialism is part of why I watch this show. LOL The whole point of the show, imo, is to feature rich women, who [seem to] have it all, and things are definitely a huge part of that. I want appearances, and family and friendship which I get to see that as well. I have books, music, art, and my own friends for substance -- this show is supposed to be frivolous fun for me because it shows things I will never see and never have in my life. Brandi is not some "truth cannon" in the real sense -- if she were, then the first person she'd be aiming for would be herself. A person cannot be a credible truth-teller when they are lying to themselves. If she refuses to acknowledge the truth about her own life, than what business is it of hers to try and force that on other women? Even if she were truthful to herself, it's not her place to go after the other women even if she thinks they are lying to themselves or trying to "keep up appearances". If Brandi were comfortable with Brandi, she'd feel no need to disparage other women on their looks, their marriages or their children. She's a very insecure, shallow person, who takes her frustrations about herself out on others. Telling some one something to their face is not always the correct route to take, especially when it serves no purpose other than to hurt, anger and humiliate. Gossiping isn't much better, but every single person, ever, has talked bout another person without them being present. Talking about someone "behind their back" doesn't always mean that you're saying negative things, or divulging secrets, or starting rumors. It can be about concerns you have for someone or something, or opinions that you want to express to people with whom you share experiences. Being able to differentiate between those things is important. Being able to sand in your own truth and not allow other people's truths or distortions to affect your mindset and actions, is what being a truth-teller is about IMO. Regarding Brandi's Tears and Whine facial, where she complains to Yolanda that nothing is fair: If Brandi feels that the other HW "get away" with doing and saying the "same things" she does, then why doesn't she stop to think about that for a minute. If the behavior is similar, what else could it be? Like for instance, her dirty jokes and stories like the other HW were sharing at the last dinner in Amsterdam. Could it be delivery? Timing? Intent? Self-deprecation and wit? Audience? Established relationships built on trust and compassion? Knowing when to stop? Not hitting below the belt? She's so unwilling to see herself as the common denominator and dig a little deeper into why when she does something, it is not well received. Instead, she cries, whines, yells and complains that they aren't being fair. Also, not everyone is going to love everything about everybody. They may not be Brandi's "people", which is fine if she doesn't feel they are as fun and youthful as she is, but she needs to learn how to alter her behavior in order to fit in a little more if she wants to be around these particular HW. She's trying to come into their lives and their established friendships, not the other way around. That's not being fake, that's being practical and perceptive, imo. Bottom line is that whatever Brandi is doing s not working with the other HW. She can try to figure out why and work toward fixing her part of it or she can leave the show. There is no door number 3, where all the HW have to like her and put up with her even as she treats them like shit. YMMV and all that.

LOL! I'll even bet that it was Kyle who stole all of Kim's kitchen utensils and that's why she had to mix chicken salad with her hands. What a bitch, that Kyle.

This is a great metaphor. I agree. Personally, if I'm going to let down my guard and joke around with someone and give and receive affection then I need to trust that person, or at the very least like them. Brandi doesn't get that relationships have to be maintained and if there are trust issues, they have to be rebuilt slowly and with earnest. She goes from one extreme to the other yet expects the same treatment, no matter how she treats others, and then refuses to look at herself critically when she is told why people don't like her. I keep shouting to Brandi while watching the show that she needs to stop looking at the tree. When I was learning how to drive, I remember being taught that what I focused my eyes on would be the direction my car was going to head in. If you focus on the tree beside the road you'll drive into the tree, if you focus on the guardrail beside your car, you're going to hit it, etc. Brandi is given so many chances to ride the smooth road of friendship and fun that's straight ahead of her, but she keeps looking in the other direction at the tree, with her immature, rude behavior, intended to shock and upset, and she veers off the road and runs right into it, every.single.time. She never learns that she's focusing on the wrong things. I get why Yo wants to mold her, or why she thinks she can, at least, get Brandi to curb some of those bad habits of hers. I do think she's genuine in that but I think she's getting sick of her advice and support going in one ear and out the other. I get it because Brandi is so infuriating that just like a child, there's an urge to want to pull her aside and try to correct her. But she doesn't want to learn anything or correct her behavior, and that's certainly her choice, as an adult. Other people, though, can choose not to be friends with her and choose not to put up with her antics. She seems to find that unfair.

What really bothers me about some of these HW, particularly Brandi and Kim, is the obsession with everything being “fair” or “the same”. Take last night’s episode with Brandi’s facial whining (which can’t be good for the skin, to whine and cry so much) and Kim’s house whining. That’s just not life. Life isn’t about everyone having, doing, being the same things and receiving the same outcomes. Doesn’t happen that way. We all have choices. Even when decisions are made for us, we usually have a choice in how we feel and how we respond. I notice that people who are like this tend to only whine about “fairness” when the outcome is not primarily in their favor. If Kim had been in Kyle’s shoes, would she have just given her sister the house? Would she put up with the accusations of stealing Kyle’s “Goddam house”? I don’t think so. Kim doesn't give, period, unless she gets something first. The look of pure satisfaction on Kim’s face when she felt she “won” because Kyle was crying, is all I need to know to form my opinion. Then, and only then, she’ll deign to comfort the poor soul who lost to her. And Brandi, in her child’s mind, thinks that if someone else does it, then it’s OK for her to do it, too, because fairness. Everything she does is compared to other people’s actions and then justified, even when the two actions aren't even remotely the same. Lisa V married an older man (over 20? Years ago), so it’s only fair that I get to fuck a 20 year old for one night. FAIRNESS! Lisa R smashed a wine glass on the table where we were all seated, so it’s only fair that I get to manhandle, molest and then slap someone whose love I want again. FAIRNESS! The other HW drink while out with friends, so it’s only fair that I get to down a bottle of wine, then pop a Xanax and remove my clothing and call everyone bitches. FAIRNESS! I was cheated on by my husband, so it’s only fair that other women feel like their husbands have cheated on them, too, even if they never have. FAIRNESS!

OMG LOL! Well, It is the oldest profession, after all. ; ) I agree. It's not my personal style, but not much is on these shows. I just LOVE looking at architecture and design and beautiful views. It's fun for me because it's not like I'm ever actually going to be inside houses like theirs in my lifetime. lol 100% YES. I don't doubt that most of the other HW can't stand Brandi, period, so anything she does is going to annoy them. Bitch eating crackers. All she has to do is open her mouth and as soon as I hear that voice, my eye starts to twitch. I can't even imagine being in the same room as Brandi and not telling her to STFU. And as another poster pointed out, Brandi's "jokes" are often at the other HW's expense, spoken without even a hint of affection attached. There's definitely a right and a wrong way to joke around with people which is a very personal thing, however Brandi uses the same "humor" with everyone, regardless of relationship, personality, or situation. Add to that, she's not even particularly funny and rarely witty, so it's just a bunch of juvenile toilet humor, intended to shock. Brandi wants other women to "clutch their pearls" so she can then point out how "cool", "open", "youthful" she is while they are a bunch of "pearl-clutching menopausal mamas". It's another way to separate herself from the fact that she's no longer 20 years old. But consequentially, she alienates other women, because they find her crude, immature, and offensive. Then, she cries about how unfair it is when she ends up all alone . She really, truly does this to herself. I've said before; Brandi creates her own misery, over and over again. Her skin is not the only thing she picks at until it's an open sore. This is such an important gift that Kyle needs to give herself. She's racked with guilt which is not only coming from Kim but from herself. Just as Kim needs to learn how to take responsibility for herself, Kyle needs to learn how to let go and release her guilt, anger, fear, feeling of responsibility towards Kim. There's too much push/pull from both of them and we can all see how unhealthy it is. PETA is going to be allll over this. lol

ITA with your whole post. She does have a few "go to" WMD to use against Kyle, when, in her warped mind, she has been done wrong. You weren't there for me. a.k.a. You wouldn't clean up my mess, this time. You didn't stick up for me. a.k.a. You didn't lie for me about my fuck ups. You're not being supportive. a.k.a. You're not enabling me and giving me enough attention. You're in my business. a.k.a. You're preventing me from getting high right now, go away. You're hurting my kids. a.k.a. I'm hurting my kids. You stole my house. a.k.a. You are richer than I am. Gimme. You're not a good sister. a.k.a. You're not kowtowing me, the older sister and child Stah. Pick a deflection card, any deflection card.

I guess the medication is working ... a little too well. ; ) Soon she'll have to be the spokesperson for Kleenex. I laugh at her crying because I can be a crier, too. I could probably even cry on cue. Nevermind Kyle, she has enough money, maybe I need to be a spokesperson for Kleenex. lol

So, what in the holy hell was that, with Brandi and the guy (who looked like he had too much product in his hair)?! It only served to make her look cheap and desperate. She really has no concept of herself outside of herself does she (i.e how she is viewed by others)? If she thinks that she looked hot, sexy, and young, then her next surgery needs to be Lasik to get her eyes corrected. It would also help when dressing, so she doesn't mistakenly walk out her hotel room with a dirty, old shag carpet on her shoulders. I don't care about ages, as long as everyone is legal, but man Brandi, have some self-respect and at least keep that shit to yourself. It actually ages you to brag and be seen with men half your age like it's proof that you still got it goin on. She's always so bare-ass backwards. And she's got no game, sorry. I had second-hand embarrassment watching that "date".

So, so true. I was thinking the same thing when Kim and Kyle were "discussing" their issues. Kim says she's not the same person she was three years ago and Kyle needs to stop treating her as if she were. I wanted so hard for Kyle to tell Kim that she will treat her differently when she acts differently. Announcing that you've changed or that you're sorry and then demanding that people automatically treat you accordingly, doesn't fly with me. That mindset proves how neither Kim or Brandi have changed, if they think that they do not need to show people through repeated action that they have, in fact, changed. Change is an action, too, ladies. And now I am done saying the word changed. I would love to veto certain words and phrases from being uttered on this show.

Add in the STDs and we all know way too much about this snatch's snatch, don't we. lol I was wondering the same thing.

That house made this episode worth it. Despite Brandi's face and that poor deceased animal she was wearing like a vest, Kim's red skin and her green envy, and Adrienne, it was all worth it. We better get to see it again in S6, or Andy will be hearing from me.

Yes! lol I wondered if I was the only one who saw that. She perked right up at the suggestion of a facial. I wonder how estheticians work on the pores when they are all clogged with, well, whatever the shit is that she uses on her face. She looked like she'd covered her face with shellac, it was so smooth and shiny.

First and most importantly, THANK YOU, KYLE. I needed to shout that. You brought the house porn -- and it was good. Go Lisa Fucking Vanderpump! I appreciate that she's not behaving in an angry manner, even though she is angry. Loved her shutting Brandi down like that and walking away. Lisa being ordained endeared her to me a little more, and the ceremony was sweet. Also, I love the way she drinks her tea. Yo looked hot at that dinner. I want to hang out with The Lisas, Eileen and Yo so they can tell me stories. However, Yo’s stock has tanked, for me because she's enabling and it seems like she thinks that she can (gently) change Brandi, and that doesn't work. I don’t really have anything left for Brand, except snark, because she said it all (for me) when Yo told her (all too nicely) that her actions (slapping Lisa) were unacceptable and Brandi replied “But that was last night”. Welcome to Groundhogs Day a.k.a Brandi’s Brain, where the previous day’s actions don’t count and as long as you say you’re sorry, all must be forgiven and forgotten. I’m scared yet fascinated by Brandi’s face. It never moves. She was crying and no movement, none. Adrienne, lol. Kim forgot to mention that she threatened Lisa, made fun of her sister and verbally attacked Eileen. OMG are we really back to the house bullshit?! I can't take any more of that, I really can't. She's just mad because she can't afford a house so awesome. Way to be supportive of your sister's successes, Kim. Isn't that what you want Kyle to be, for you? Supportive? Stop taking and learn how to give.

Eileen is so even-keeled most of the time; it's refreshing. A lot of the HW are so reactionary which just creates chaos to the point where I have a difficult time following what is being said, done, and why. It's like watching COPS, with the LEO chasing and fighting someone and the poor camera guys have to try and keep up so the footage is all wonky and it's hard to tell WTF is going on. I loved how she shut down Kim and Brandi so easily by being calm and asking pointed questions (not giving pointed fingers, Kyle) and by responding with simple yet effective words. However, I am a little 'eh' at her response to Lisa R's tête-à-tête with Kim, only because I think Eileen is more astute than that, and she should have caught on that someone other than Lisa made the decision to reach a truce, while they were still in Amsterdam. I think she was reacting with her feelings, more than anything else, though, so I get it. Looking forward to her hearing about Brandi slapping Lisa since she already thinks Brandi is an asshole. I'd like to see more Vince.