Desiree

I don't think I'm going to handle the end of this show well. I'm having a hard time with what seems to be Alison's departure and she wasn't even close to my favorite character, that honor going to Sarah. I knew I loved this show but it seems to have really embedded itself into me making it hard to let go.

They start back up filming at the end of this month, first taping is the 31st. They didn't give away any upcoming storylines. Norman Lear was there and although he looked like they revived him only hours before the panel, apparently he's got enough energy to want a third season.

I want to say they are starting up again any day now. I'm going to the Paley event this Thursday so I'll report back if they happen to mention it.

I agree with all of this except for your Clay/Maddie opinion. And only because I'm shallow, they would make beautiful babies together who would also be talented as hell. And the age difference doesn't bother me since my first serious boyfriend was about the same age as Clay and I was Maddies age when we dated. True I was a bit more mature, but my mother didn't have any issues with it or him. He was a really great guy so that may have had a lot to do with it.

Bummer. Hopefully she can make at least one appearance. She's fun. I love her deadpan delivery. It's how I imagine my daughter would have turned out if I had had one. That's actually kind of a frightening thought now that I think about it.

So excited they got renewed. Not ashamed to admit I've watched season one several times. And laugh my a$$ off STILL. Show is excellent.

I'm surprised it took them this long. The critics and internet buzz was very positive right out the gate. And the cast has been getting a lot of attention from the press. I'm thrilled, I really love this show.

I LOVE Carmen was was bummed when she went to Texas. I know the show is about the family and Schnider but she was a really fun addition to their dynamic.

He did mispronounced her name. Really ridiculous as he's Canadian and honestly, how hard is it to pronounce Tatiana Maslany? I had a moment as well but the stunned look on her face was all it took for it to sink in that she had won. Later I watched Viola Davis and Kerri Russel when they announced her win and they both looked genuinely happy for her. Taraji not so much but she also looked like she hadn't heard of her or maybe has never watched the show to see her competition.

Kerri was the only one I would have been happy for Tat to lose to. Her work on The Americans has constantly amazed me. Solid work, with such emotion. I had written her off as a one note actress years ago and was so surprised when I watched her on the show.

Damn right!!!! I had a feeling when the Mr Robot kid won that she was gonna get it. Seemed like there were a few surprises this year. Damn! So happy for her and our little weird show!!!!

I could be wrong, but I think that was by design this season. Sarah was very unlikeable this season, where as other seasons you see her as the underdog. The bad girl turning good for the sake of her sisters. This season, we see her dealing with her demons. Which she has many. For me, an avowed Sarah girl, it made her relatable, unlikable, vulnerable, and a myriad of other things. Mostly, it made her human. The first three seasons, it's like she could do no wrong, even when she was being a lousy mother to Kira, she was the grifter with a heart of gold. This season, I felt like we finally saw the real Sarah, and she's messy, bitchy, not nice, selfish, a druggie, a sex addict, etc. But in this episode we see, she is still willing to risk all for her sisters. It actually makes me love her that much more.

I think the Carol Lombard reference was meant to have the audience go "Oh Crap!" and think Helena was making it up, when it actually was a real woman, because Alison didn't even respond negatively to the name. If I remember correctly she responded along the lines of "How did she know all that?" which to me meant the names were of real women who were working her campaign. Not unusual for parents to name their kids after famous actors / actors they absolutely love. I'm named for a movie my mother loved about Napoleon's lover. Just don't have the same last name as her.

Partially, for some local community / school something or other. Partially because Donnie lost his job and they needed the money if I remember correctly.

Yes, Allison was providing the "little helpers", which she herself also took. She shared them with Felix in the episode that Donnie tried the intervention with the priest. Ramon was her dealer, who she took the business over from when he went off to college. She herself told Sarah that money was the only thing she could contribute. Beth was the cop who investigated, Cosima was the scientist who was looking for answers in their DNA and Allison provided the capital to be able to pay off sources and what not. She never actually said where she got the money from, but later in season 3, we find out that her mother had a soap and candle store. Which really doesn't make a ton of money, it was a small niche store, however, I'd imagine the family has money and that was just a side thing to keep her mother occupied.

What really cements it for me, now I think about last nights episode, Beth saying out loud to herself "I've shot a civilian". To me that definitely sounds as if she didn't know Maggie Chen and how she was connected to the Leda clones. She just thought she shot an innocent passerby. However we know that Maggie Chen was probably following Beth, Beth just didn't know it. Yes, it remains to be seen whether Beth finds out who Maggie Chen ultimately was. Given that Allison and Cosima didn't seem to know, I'm not sure Beth knew.

So happy this show is back! I really enjoyed the episode, but have to admit that I missed Sarah as she's always been the anchor on this show for me. Seeing Beths backstory was amazing. I had a few AHA! moments that, even though when they shot season 1 they may not have been thinking about what came up in last nights episodes, really seemed to connect for me. The one thing that was a revelation was the fact that it was Paul who was turning down Beths advances, not the other way around. He had made it out to be, in the first season, that Beth had lost interest in sex with him, but now we see it was the other way around. Guilt on his part perhaps? Was it really established that Beth knew who Maggie Chen was when she shot her, in season 1 or was that assumed on Sarah and the other clones parts because it seemed so obvious that that would be the reason why? I don't think it was established that Beth actually knew, but it was discovered that Maggie Chen was apart of Helena's group so the assumption is Beth took her out. But as we saw, there were factions of all the different groups all over the police. It's not hard to think that Maggie Chen had been following Beth for a while and not expecting her to come running out into the alley like that, it was a complete coincidence that Beth ran into and shot her. I wasn't upset with the Art and Beth sex scene and don't really think of it as a romance. Beth was vulnerable, she had just been turned down by Paul, maybe for the umpteenth time, she was high and she has so many questions about her origins that she's trying to get answers for, Art seems to be the one solid thing in her life. Of course she turned to him. But I think had Beth lived, it would have been a one time thing as she needs him to continue to be her rock and she wouldn't want to jeopardize that by a continuing relationship. Now it makes ever more sense to me why Alison was so devastated by Beths death. Beyond them being clones and friendly, Beth was the one who sought out Alison and Cosima and reveled what they are to them. And she promised to find answers and was actively working towards that goal. To then commit suicide, Alison must have felt completely betrayed and lost because now how will they get the answers they needed? Plus, I'm sure there was some guilt on Alisons part for providing "little helpers" to Beth. She may feel she somehow contributed to Beth falling apart.

Two pages into this thread and I'm absolutely convinced that I made the right decision not to watch last night. Real life events have had me unable to focus on TV, and after a half hour of driving and talking, I decided to turn the show off and watch on a day that I could turn my full attention to it. After seeing all the fan outrage on Twitter and then reading this thread, I'm not sure if I even care to watch the show until right before the season 7 premier, if I'm still inclined to watch the show at all. I agree that leaving this season at a cliff hanger is a big FU to the fans and is completely unnecessary. It's not a ploy to get ratings as ratings have barely slipped in 6 years, it's just bad story telling and I think I've about had it.

Nothing against Shonda, I love Scandal and HTGAWM but I'm not sure she's in Sorkins league to be able to lay out a blueprint to defeating a Trump-type character. It'll be all soap opera and Olivia steering Mellie in a direction that works for the show, but has nothing to do with real life or real life politics.

What i want to know is why they just didn't drive the truck down the train tracks? Did I miss something that would have prevented them from doing so? yes the couldn't go around the tree but the tracks looked pretty clear and flat. If Daryl was have such a hard time with the stick, let Dr Denise drive it. Another talkie episode after a few action packed ones. Normally I don't mind these but I'm in the beginning of flu and had a hard time keeping my eyes open. Carol is my favorite character so I will miss her. But she needs some kind of evolution that she can't get at Alexandria. She'll be back and even more bad ass then before.

That, that was beautiful. :: sob , wipes tear from eye :: Thank you.

He's in one scene for all of 5 mins. Tells the female reporter, Karen, who travels to Broadchurch, about the finding of the body. His head is also turned towards her for the duration of the scene, so unless you know his voice with his native accent, you may not catch it. I only noticed because I did a re-watch the same day I watched the interview with HuffPost and picked up on his voice.

I loved this episode!!!! I haven't been this engaged in an episode in a really long time. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the show as much now as I did season 1, however I find myself distracted more often than not during its airing and having to rewind to find out what I missed. This episode kept my attention from minute 1 till the end. And had me re-watching it tonight. As for how illogical it can get. Come on!!! We're talking about zombies!! The literal Walking Dead. You can't get any more illogical than that! Which makes it very easy for me to just take everything with a grain of salt. Would I like the show better written, sure, see my mention of being distracted while watching it, but it's damn fun when they pull out all the stops like they did with this past episode and that's mainly why I watch. While re-watching tonight, I had a thought. About the sudden nightfall and the mention that the creatives wanted a zombie fight during the night. I think also it was practical. Daryls little RPG/ gas filled lake trick wouldn't have had as much effect, if it were day time. What seemed to initially draw the walkers closest to the lake was the blast of the RPG, the noise got their attention for sure. What kept their attention and drew them there, the Walkers not directly fighting CDB at this point, was the flicker of the flames. Which in daylight wouldn't have been quite as attractive to them as the sunlight would have blunted the flame light so to speak. So the Walkers went towards the dancing light of the flame against the night. Now, in order to achieve that, the fight needs to start at night, which since that started almost immediately after Rick and Co brought Carl to the infirmary, if it were still day time, the group would have been exhausted by the time Daryl and Friends showed up with their toys and set the night on fire. I imagine that script had not been written yet when they shot the last episode, so in order to get to that point in the night - longest, slowest walk in Alexandria history. My take on Denise talking the Wolf into going to the infirmary, wasn't that where Aaron and company were? I'm not sure if she knew that, but even if she didn't, there are drugs there that she could inject into him to knock him out and it'll keep her inside the walls of the town. All she would need to say is she's giving him an antibiotic to help with infection, he wouldn't know the difference until he started to black out and then it's too late. And by that point, I'd imagine he'd have put the gun down to let her work on him. My thoughts on Carl? What a great manicure he's been able to keep in the Zombie Apocalypse. Especially when he doesn't seem to care too much what his hair looks like. Someone please give that teenager a hair cut. And make Daryl shower. I can smell him from my apt in Los Angeles. I agree the with poster up top who said Bear Mccrearys soundtrack for the zombie fight montage was incredible. I was actually getting goosebumps and chills watching that sequence because of the music. A great composer and great piece of music, really adds so much more to film. That sequence could have been so much cheesier than it was with a different composer and different piece of music. It was almost beautiful, the music, the sequence and how it was shot and lit. Good stuff!

I read somewhere that Gillian was having a hard time doing Scully's voice. Probably for a multitude of factors, she's older, she lives in London and acts a lot with an English accent now, and it's been years since she's taken on the character. I just assumed that in trying to recreate Scully's voice, a bit of scratchiness has evolved. It's not terrible, it brings a sort of sadness that I think Scully would be feeling in this stage of her life anyway, with the William situation and the breakup of her romantic relationship with Mulder.

Real Talk: The only pain killer they would have given her is aspirin right after the procedure. A glass of wine, or even Mellie's moonshine wouldn't have been that big of a deal hours later.