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Gah, maybe I'm the worst but I love her. And I get a weird, sick pleasure watching her go head to head with John. It's like watching her at her core.

I couldn't make it through the episode which is like, unprecedented. I watched all of Aprés Ski for fuck's sake. I am sad bc I loved the commercial so much.

Dupe

You are right. For me at least, the "grow up" is implied in settle down. Heck, if he would just grow up I would be on board - with or without a partner. When I say settle down, really I see the inverse Of Thomas or Mathew McConaughey in Dazed in Confused... Getting older while the women stay the same age. At some point it just gets weird. Plus just the idea of binge drinking until the wee hours of the morning and chasing ass in my mid 30s give me a headache. So yeah, I guess I DGAF if Shep gets married, but at some point he needs to mature a bit beyond sleeping until 11:00 everyday bc he has been out with 20 year olds until 4:00 am? Ugh, I just realized I actually don't care at all lol.

I agree that Kathryn acts like a petulant child...in part because she practically is a child. Some 22 year olds are capable of great maturity and sound judgment. Kathryn is not one of them. It's mostly sad for the children but I think there is hope that Kathryn can grown it of her antics (probably not with Bravo lining her pockets to encourage them though). Maybe in time for her children to not remember much of her drama. I agree her best-case scenario is to meet another guy who actually loves her and is a healthy relationship for her so she gets over Thomas. Thomas, however, will not grow out of his bad behavior. He is a violent drunk and felon who has DUIs (at least one), prison time, has been video taped yelling at people naked, accused of assault, and who preys on barely legal young women. The guy is vile. It's not so much that I am "team Kathryn" but I see her behavior has having the potential to dissipate with time. Really I don't think we have seen anything too awful from her this season (yet). She got snippy when Thomas said "we" (implying someone else was involved) decided to change the nursery decor and he wanted to touch her (I would have told him to GTFO) and she left the polo match (really bc JD and his wife were there, she knows they hate her but will pretend they do not trash her behind her back, and she went under the promise of a "family day" with Thomas but it clearly was not.) It didn't seem like she was flipping tables or throwing punches to me. She just kinda left in a huff, no? She didn't even have a confrontation with anyone. She was just upset Thomas lied to her and she left. Thomas was the one stripping and throwing his shirt in a tantrum.

What makes me even more insane about the continued acceptance of Thomas and icing-out of Kathryn, and the continuation of the "Kathryn is a crazy manipulator" storyline is people ignoring the massive age and power difference between these two individuals. First, Kathryn was, what, 19 when all of this began with Thomas? And she is 22 now? Her brain is literally not even fully developed yet. Most people's frontal lobes, which are involved in "planning, organizing, problem solving, selective attention, personality and a variety of 'higher cognitive functions' including behavior and emotions, are not fully developed until around 25...it's the reason teenagers are functional morons 90% of the time. They have the increasing freedom to make stupid choices in the moment without the mental capacity to fully process the consequences. Unlike Thomas, Kathryn actually has a developmental reason for her poor decision making - and the possibility of growing out of it as she ages and her brain develops (i.e. she matures). Thomas, on the other hand, is well into middle age and has shown himself to be little more than an out-of-control drunk, a (allegedly former?) drug addict, a felon with no remorse for his actions (other than the fact he got caught), narcissistic, self-indulgent and just plain mean. That is WHO HE IS. Second, I think people ignore the borderline predatory manipulation that Thomas exerted on Kathryn. She was barely over the age of consent, seems to lack a lot of education, and had been raised to believe that being a political wife (and marrying very young like her grandmother ) were her destiny. She seemed to be sort "Fancy-ed" out there by her family who had lost their wealth ("here's your one chance, Fancy don't let me down"). Thomas, saw all of this and used it to get what he wanted - a child. It really has the feeling of way a sexual predator chooses his or her victims (especially in an authoritarian situation). (I am not saying Thomas is a rapist, but I am saying he found someone who would be primed for his influence, and who lacked the life skills or resources to fully evaluate the situation and see it for what it was.) I do believe at the time Thomas promised Kathryn that he would take care of her if she was pregnant and that she would never want for anything that he meant it. But because he appears to be borderline sociopathic in his lack of conscience, he has no compunction about withdrawing those promises once he got the "scion" that he wanted out of Kathryn, and lording them over her to try to get what he wants out of her. I have no doubts that he preyed upon Kathryn's desperation to live up to her "political wife" destiny to lure her into having a second child. (I also think he preyed upon her genuine belief that she loves Thomas - even if she will someday realize she really doesn't - and to be a nuclear family that will be accepted in Charleston "society") . My heart really breaks for Kathryn in a lot of ways. None of this absolves her of the responsibility for all of her choices, but I do think much more of the onus is on Thomas, the "adult" in the situation who ultimately ended up with what he wanted out of it: two kids from a fertile, young ingenue without shelling out any cash or marriage entanglements. (Notice, Kathryn did not get what she wanted and was promised: her role as a young, well-kept Charleston society wife and mother ... so again, who is the manipulator?) I would totally understand a bunch of 30 somethings not wanting to hang out with a 22 year-old who engages in normal 22-year-old melodrama while drunk. What I do NOT understand in the acceptance of the 54-year-old, alcoholic felon who is equally tempestuous and violent while drinking, and who as made the same shitty life choices.

I have a feeling you are right!

Landon is the worst. Her snobbery and work-aversion is oppressive and that's saying something with this cast. Her unwillingness to "take a mundane job because that's what she's supposed to do" combined with her mocking the idea of Kathryn working for a living as a secretary last season (you know, like millions of other people who provide for their kids) makes me want to punch her in the face. You are not a special snowflake who is too good to *work* for money like the rest of us, Landon. It's called "work" for a reason. Seriously, she can go fuck herself.

Shep's looks have really faded. He is looking haggard and has lost some of that boyish charm. It would serve him well to fall in love with a nice woman and settle down or he is gonna end up like TRav part 2...maybe without the two kids but who knows. It's not like Shep used protection when he slept with Kathryn so he has shown he is capable of the same poor judgment at least once.

Nattie and Rose are so painful to watch. Can this show just be the Bella's (and Trinity)? I would like to watch their actual lives (injuries, training, etc) and not the fake crap. But I do think they have enough going on to be interesting - unlike everyone else.

I am always impressed with how accurately Eileen remembers things. Her recountings of events are dead on. You can tell she memorizes dialogue on a daily basis for a living.

Teardrop-shaped implants are a thing. They are supposed to more closely mimic the shape of natural breasts. They come in all different heights and profiles. http://www.mentorwwllc.com/global-us/Breast.aspx That being said, Jax is still a mega-gross, coked-out, roided-up sociopathic pig.

Shay should never be allowed to talk. Who knew Scheana was doing the world a favor by constantly cutting him off and talking over him?

For me the problem is not that James speaks to women that way it's that he speaks to everyone that way. He has gone off on Tom Sandolval and Jax in the past. He is an animal with no control over his emotions and immediately goes as low as he can. He is offensive to watch and not in an entertaining way.

Ha! Are you my husband?! He is always saying this to me. My response is "who carries cash these days?" But seriously I would be anxiety ridden to have a $3k bag (but I never say never to owning one in the future). I guess it is all relative. And I do gleefully lust from a safe distance. It's not a purchase decision I judge (maybe I would judge it if I knew the person was in bankruptcy Guidice-style, but other than that it's no skin off my ass). I also wouldn't judge a Kmart bag and think Katherine is a *c**** for judging Eileen's bag. On that note, I am solidly on Team Cunty. I love the c-word and everything about it. It's fun to watch these women get tied in knots over it. I think like all words it is about context, who is saying it and how it is said. But to each their own. Katherine can miss me with her "your too pretty to say that word" though. That shit makes me gag. She may as well have told Erica to "keep sweet." Gross. I think reducing a woman's value to her "prettiness" is way more degrading and harmful than a well-used c*** bomb. I do wish Erica would have just said "yeah I told her. So what?!" And moved on. The Yolanda crap bores me to tears and frankly is not worth validating her crazy. I don't doubt that she has chronic pain, no matter what the label is, but I think her efforts to validate her illness have led her into Munchauesen by Proxy territory (yeah, I said it, come at me) and it's disturbing. I really can't bring myself to give a shit about any of it though and wish the other women would just stop talking about her. I don't care. These women suck at fake drama. For a group of actresses you would think they would be better at it.

I thought that too. Wasn't Barbara supposed to have not had a night out in years? How does she seem like a regular at the stripper palace? It's like the writers switched to her Parks and Rec character. I can't even with Delia. I just can't. That whole storyline is offensive. Successful woman really just wants powerful men to bang her and take care of her. But she doesn't. But she does. It's like an awful romantic comedy without comedy or romance.

Any one else think the drought/sprinkler reference was a dig at Lisa? Villa Rosa's grounds look awfully lush....

Chicago. My guess is you know a lot more people with a little light Botox than you think you do. They just get it done right so you don't know :-). When your friend suddenly shows up looking SO fresh or well-rested that you want to ask her if she is using a new makeup or got a new type of facial it's probably actually Botox. Most people don't volunteer that info though so if you are not obnoxious like me you probably would not know. I am just nosey and forget that it's probably rude to ask my very good friends if they have had Botox when they show up looking so renewed, so I always blurt the question out. The answer has always been yes! But I fully agree with the rest of your statement. These gals would do themselves a favor by quitting the cigs, cutting back on the booze (drugs?), getting more sleep, etc. Those things would certainly help with their rough edges. But then they probably would be back to actually waitressing again because Bravo won't want to film responsible adults adulting.

Pretty much every professional, 30-something+ woman I know gets Botox. None look older than their years. If you get it in small amounts it is fantastic at allowing facial movement while preventing unintended "resting" expressions that cause wrinkles. Also, I have never heard of anyone getting Botox more frequently than every six months. Not six weeks. That is madness. Good Botox is not about trying to look decades younger. It just helps maintain what you have and prevent new aging. The VPR casts' hard partying lifestyles mean they probably need even more help than usual in that department.

Just wanted to say I am totally in team topless here. I HATE bikini tops and loathe wearing them simply because our society over sexualizes women's bodies. I understand if some women prefer to wear them for support or personal comfort, but it should be up to the woman. Breasts are not only for sex and people need to get the fuck over them (same with breastfeeding). I go topless whenever possible and if some creeper dude can't handle that it's his problem. I should to have to wear a burqa (or bikini) top because some men have not leaned to control their sexual thoughts. People like that will sexualize anything and that's not my problem. This is simply an extension of Katie's Vegas problem. If she can't trust Schwartz (who acted like a pubescent boy "I saw boobs today) that's on him, not LaLa. I would actually really like LaLa if she wasn't willing to suck face with James and flirt with Jax for camera time. She can't hide her physical revulsion for James. She pulls and leans away every time he kisses her. I bet his kisses with his grandmother have more passion.

I think the lip injection is harder to tell but I am still pretty convinced she has it. Her upper lip here has a hint of that duck look (just a tiny hint) when she smiles. https://instagram.com/p/-2Mh03kNks/http://cache2.asset-cache.net/gc/475557208-bella-hadid-attends-the-2015-cfda-fashion-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QQFCmELPoGAB6CHgl0vKD7WAPGi2kStGoddqosB1x4K%2BUuKj639CzKh7%2FWl%2Fx8CRsw%3D%3D In fairness, pretty much all celebrities have tweaked their faces so it's not like she is anomaly. People are totally entitled to do as they wish with their bodies, IMO. It's just sort of disturbing how your she must have been when she had these things done.

Bella has absolutely had a nose job and upper lip injections. She is gorgeous, and started from a great place, but has definitely had tweaks. http://beautyeditor.ca/2015/10/09/bella-hadid-before-and-after

I think, based on the latest episode, it was done to get airtime for his friend's removal business. I sill think it was fake and he just went in and "acted" his way through the consult.

I am still working through the thread, so this may have been covered, but was LVP wearing a wedding dress to the white party? Da fuck? Yes, you are overdressed weirdo, unless you are doing a surprise vow renewal.

I think Sandoval's tattoo was actually fake. When he showed his mom I paused the TV and you can see it starting to peel off. It also looks like it was peeling off at the diary show. His skin never had that inflamed, fresh-tattooed look about it either.