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Katie said in 1 IG that her stent was out and she felt better. So either she’s now allowed to lift H or it’s one of things where when people feel better, they unconsciously just do what they used to, even though they’re supposed to be restricted still. 💯- “everyone has kids and then they become just mom and dad, they don’t know how to be young and party party anymore. They totally coddle their kids - not going out mid day bc of naps or at midnight for an ice cream run bc their kid has to sleep?? Lame. They’re spoiling her. We go where we want and our kids sleep just fine in the car or on any floor.” 🤣 I mean it was interesting that C&E probably arrived at 3 am Friday having driven all night and sometime Friday, Trav takes Evan to the gym. Seemed very - do a bro activity ASAP to get it over with so then we can actually be home and not run hither and yon. And then later that day when all 4 are hanging out it’s like Trav makes it a point to say - last time you were here it was crazy, we ran to NYC, this trip will be much more “low key.” It’s as direct as I’ve seen a fundie say anything. I mean C&E could still do stuff on their own whether it’s run up to NYC to see the Christmas lights or take a day trip to Longwood Gardens which is great at Christmas. But reality is they prob felt slighted/like their party party buddies were being sticks in the mud bc Trav insisted they’d mostly stay home. Plus let’s be real C&E hate dealing w their own kids and were prob looking for local trips where they could ditch the kids with Ellie and Katie so that C&E, Trav, and Trav’s wallet could go out and seems like Trav nixed it. @BitterApple - in the last YT, filmed Friday or Sat, Evan is standing outside K&Ts house and clearly says - we’ll likely still be here next weekend. So yeah they were not looking at a regular 4 day weekend, they were looking for entertainment thru mid Dec. Though who knows maybe they’re still there and being super quiet and letting K&T rest, have some holiday fun with H? Seems unlike them but we’ll know when Carlin resurfaces or via YT.

Are C&E out of NJ? It's been pretty quiet and Carlin now posted a "NJ Recap" IG - which you tend to do after a trip. In last week's YT Evan loudly announced - we'll likely still be here next weekend, so he was clearly thinking a 7-9 day trip. While Trav was like - this trip is going to be more low key, last trip you all were here, we went to NYC with Katie about to deliver, that was crazy . . . . Lol did Trav give them the heave ho and let it be known that they viewed a long weekend visit as Friday through Monday, i.e. 4 days not 10 days? Or did C&E just pack it in when they realized that K&T now live a life that involves considering H's schedule, being home at nap time, and that isn't conducive to packing kids in the car at midnight and woohoo running out for ice cream or cheesesteaks? Thought it was interesting even last night - Monday night - that K&T posted an IG making a big fuss about holiday traditions with H - baking sugar cookies. And it was JUST K&T and their kid without feral Layla or Zade running around eating raw ingredients. So it was either hinted that this would be a shorter trip OR C&E are still around but it's been hinted that they ought to entertain themselves/their kids some too and not just be involved 24-7 with K&T. Maybe it was hinted that C&E should be getting on with their own family traditions in their own homes - too bad if said tradition is mom and dad building their own gingerbread houses, refusing to help Layla build hers so she sits there consoling herself by eating handfuls of white sugar. Though no worries - if they did have to go home - rest assured they'll be at the inlaws by the end of this week and staying thru Christmas/New Years.

So Z&W have postponed Hawaii until sometime in 2024 bc they were supposed to leave today but their 4 mo came down with strep and they just couldn't leave her. How mature of them. Whit said Z's family offered to take the child. But Whit still said they couldn't and would just have to look forward to Hawaii next year and do something fun locally for their anniversary. I can see what Whit and Carlin have less and less in common as the years go by. You know C&E would be dumping their kids in Nashville at the inlaws and be on the next flight out bc mama and daddy need their alone time and their content, kids be damned.

Yes they are 25 min from Philadelphia - right next door to my hometown. NYC isn't far though - 2 hrs away. C&E have taken the opportunity to visit NYC when bunking with K&T before though - when Katie was hugely pregnant after her false labor scare and C&E were in town to "help." I mean great content in NYC you know - bright lights, Rock Center Christmas tree etc. I'd imagine Trav puts his foot down at him/Katie/Hailey going this time, but doesn't mean C&E couldn't go - either dump the kids on Ellie or bring Ellie along as the nanny. I'm sure they'd say Ellie is done with school. They've always made a huge production of - ooohh our kids are sooo diligent they "graduate" early. What about Layla? Homeschool lasted all of what - 3 weeks? They've pretty much been doing their own thing since mid Oct - Carlin's 5 day test at the hospital; Jackson's wedding; camping with Z&W right after Jackson's wedding; Thanksgiving for a wk+; romantic getaway; and now bunking with Katie & Trav. That's the perfect stable atmosphere for school, no? Though I guess if pressed on it Carlin will say - oh Layla is done with school until Jan 2. Erin said the same just before Thanksgiving - she said she starts her kids' school super early so that they then are off from Thanksgiving until Jan; Alyssa has done the same in prior years - like kids off from early Dec through New Years. But from what I can tell, it DOES seem like Alyssa/Erin start in Aug or even late July and seems like their kids actually do some kind of schooling daily. The moms aren't out and about all day long and actually seem to keep some kind of schedule at home. I can't imagine Z&W aren't regretting going into business with C&E rather than starting up something just on their own. I wonder if they are looking at how to extricate themselves - without another falling out with another sibling. I mean I'm not suggesting Z&W work 40 hrs/wk or anything, but I do think they see the business as their business/job NOT a hobby to show up to, if and when there's nothing better going on. I mean they're headed to Hawaii presumably for a week - so it seems like they compensated by working Nov/Dec until they leave. I mean they spent the day at the store the day after Thanksgiving - packaging. We've seen them there are few other times since then doing the same, not to mention a photo shoot. Meanwhile what are C&E doing - talking about a sale that BSB is running on IG/posting a link to said said? Hell Whit just had their last kid in what - August/Sept? They could easily have stretched that into a "we're both taking maternity/paternity leave until year end" and they didn't. Zach seems to go to the store daily/multiple times per wk and he started going within like 2 weeks and Whit joined him not that long after.

I don't watch K&T videos but people on Reddit are saying that after Katie's procedure - she isn't allowed to lift anything heavier than 10 lbs for 4 weeks. So I guess that's what led to the - OMG Katie needs help. But eh we're not toting her kid around, changing diapers, we can barely manage our own kids, going grocery shopping - hey let's bring Ellie. Woohoo then there's ALWAYS someone around responsible for the baby + meals and we can party party - maybe even dump our own kids on K&T/Ellie and head up to NYC or on a local date night. Though that Katie even needs help seems BS. Hello she has a husband who doesn't work AT ALL who is hands on w his kid + inlaws who live in town who are actually helpful. While Katie posted a pic of some soup Carlin made (or reheated - I have no idea) - let's be real, C&E's MO usually is to lay around Katie's house, make noise, eat all their snacks, film, and then on the last day they try to be "helpful" by cleaning or doing ONE grocery run. I mean I guess they can't just take charge of all the meals while they're in town given that they don't cook. FWIW I've noticed that when the Stew Crew is around, Katie's inlaws ARE NOT. This was true when they parked themselves at K&T's house for 2 weeks before the birth. We never saw the inlaws once. As soon as the baby was born and K&T could've used actual help, C&E ran home and it was Katie's MIL that was bringing over meals and even camping out on their couch to help at night several times per week. Pretty sure MIL has realized that C&E and the entire Bates clan is boorish - after their display at Katie's baby shower. So I'm thinking she steers clear, lest she get stuck cooking for 4 additional people and minding C&E's feral kids.

Maybe they're just visiting Bill/Jane since they didn't go for Thanksgiving, but IDK then I feel like we would've heard at some point OMG we're soooo busy, we go away on a romantic getaway for a day and then come back and then off to South Carolina blah blah. I agree the mood in the convenience store was super relaxed plus if something were wrong (and I hope not) - I feel like other siblings would also be posting about making a drive down there or at least being worried or something. Z&W are posting about baking Christmas cookies with their kids tonight. I have a feeling this may turn out to be a - oh Katie really needed us soooo much after her procedure. Even though we don't cook or clean or grocery shop - instead we're just loud and will eat all your snacks and demand to be entertained and oh yeah if you could watch OUR kids, we could get a date night . . . . Hope I'm wrong about that too and they found someplace else to go to entertain themselves besides NJ. I agree re snacks. Their favorite is Bucees which has damn near everything but even regular convenience stores these days - as @BitterApple says they ALL have granola bars, crackers, cheese sticks, goldfish. Not to mention if you're taking off for a trip w 2 little kids starting at 7 pm - give them dinner at home. Pack some bland goldfish or whatever and let them sleep. What on earth are they soooo busy with that they couldn't have stopped by a grocery store/had snacks in their pantry to take?? I mean does there need to be a treat EVERY time they leave their house - even when it makes no sense to gives sugary treats at 7 pm and ask them to sit in the car?!

And they're off . . . overnight roadtrip. Kids in PJs and indoor slippers standing in the candy aisle picking out what treats they want. Because nothing helps a kid fall asleep for an overnight in a car seat like sugar. Where are they headed that requires driving overnight? Off to see Katie given her procedure? Because that's what she needs - a family of 4 arriving and making noise as she recovers. Off to Florida/ Even though they don't typically visit Alyssa or Erin. They hadn't been previewing any vacations so this sounds like a last minute - OMG we just HAD to go to x, all we had time to do was come home from our romantic getaway and re pack to leave again.

WTH kind of "romantic" getaway was this?? They've already previewed a ton of it via IG and it was all - making pizza (i.e. put stuff on pre made dough); coloring multiple coloring books; watching the Grinch (or some other kid Christmas movie - couldn't tell which); making paper snowflakes. You know - the things people do AS kids or WITH kids. T hey needed a night away from their kids to go to summer camp (winter camp)? I mean I suspect Evan got it up and made a baby but all in all it was a pretty nothing trip, and by the looks of it they spent most of it being like - wait set up the camera/drone here to capture us sitting in these chairs drinking coffee; wait when you put a record on the old timey record player dance around for a second so it looks cute - take 2 do that dance again . . . . ; hold on - color that better so it'll look nicer on the YT . . . .

IDK what you'd call it or if it falls within the bucket of anxiety but I feel like all of these girls (and the guys too) suffer from being sold a bill of goods by G&K and the church. I mean all they had to do was pray + be Godly + stay a virgin + marry a Christian/make babies, and life was going to be PERFECT. Those problems that happen in life - oh please, those happen to heathens not people like US, we are GODLY. Then fast forward, they all get with the first guy looks at them without ever considering whether the guy was really right or not, or whether this was the life they wanted or not and hmm - now many are unhappy. Hmm how did that happen - they were promised a PERFECT life bc G&K + God. I mean here's newlywed Carlin and Tori having to deal with the fact that their husbands leave the home - gasp - all day?? OMG what am I going to do? I'm home alone with a baby. The baby I HAD TO HAVE ASAP is sooo much work. What if another female smiles at my husband while he's out all day?? Then Carlin was having a hard time affording a house - that isn't supposed to happen to Godly people. And Erin still can't afford one. Michael - despite being sooo devout, no baby. Then Carlin badgers her husband to be home 24-7 but now hmm . . . he's home 24-7 and doesn't want to work except pushing to sell her health story on YT even though she doesn't want to. I think some kids dealt with these realities better than others. I feel like Zach (Jackson, Nathan, Law - it seems) all hint that they realize their parents are full of shit. Tori, Michael, Erin adopted the - get thru life by praying it away - method. Josie & Katie - I'll just follow MY headship and his family bc he/his family knows better than my family so I'll trust them fully, even though let's be real it's the same garbage - just done the way HE wants it now, instead of daddy. Carlin appears to be the one having the most trouble. Unclear why but I think she knows she isn't happy, but under Evan's "headship" her only way to deal with that is church - which continues to tell her she's wrong, she should be grateful, after she has a man when so many other ladies are taking out their own garbage (per Anna Duggar), she has kids when so many don't, she can have more kids - she SHOULD WANT that. Like in her heart of hearts, she doesn't want the life she has but can't point to why and just sits and feels guilty bc religion tells her she's #blessed.

The place they stayed at is $400-500/night at minimum and no you aren't getting comp-ed just bc you tagged them, as everyone tries to do that; no wonder it's only a 1-2 night getaway. Good call re K&T they went to Montauk - the beach towns in the Hamptons NY were NYC rich people go - that was a super expensive getaway even for 1-2 nights in the off season. Gotta keep up with Z&W too as they are headed to Hawaii for their 10th anniversary and you know that's going to be at least a week+. Gotta say if Carlin is reading Reddit and she has shown us before that does by accidentally showing the BUB page open - she's going to be heartbroken at the criticism she and her husband are getting. Usually it's all leghumpers over there, but this time wow people are calling it out. Evan only wants baby #3 as their YT hits drop and he needs new content. He could care less whether it's safe for his wife and frankly any type of complications just lend themselves to more of those 200k+ view clickbait YTs with the whole "OMG DR DOING SCARY TESTS" "PRAY FOR OUR BABY." Plus at minimum another yr+ of being home bc who is gonna drive to/from the high risk OB, sonograms, neuro follow ups during pregnancy etc. - it's not like her unemployed parents, sisters, or Uber could do it. I assume the purpose of this trip was to make a baby and then have an announcement ready to go at Christmas if it's immediately when she pees on the stick or at I Love You Day if she wants to wait a 1-2 months. But whatever the case - Carlin does NOT look right lately. I mean I guess she hasn't for a while - crying every day when Evan was headed off to school/apprenticeship begging him not to go; admitting that she LOVES delivering babies bc of all the attention from the nurses/drs/everyone but then a week later when both families have gone home and it's just her and the baby "post partum" sets in; reassuring HERSELF by harassing 2 year old Layla nonstop with "we're best friends right?" "say we're best friends." But IDK in that YT she just looks - off. Though I guess it was just this summer that she pretty much asked for therapy as directly as any fundie girl is gonna ask and her asshole husband brushed it off with - babe I AM your therapist, talk to me. When she said she feels bad talking to him - oh babe YOUTUBE is your therapy - i.e please go ahead and bare your soul so I don't have to work and can play more golf. And since then we've seen her taking copious notes at church - bc that's gonna help whatever is going on. Plus crying bc she feels SOOO BLESSED to have the pastor/pastor's wife in her life!? I guess he's playing the same hand as G&K did years ago - why aren't you happy; you SHOULD be happy; you are blessed with ME and kids and we can have more kids - that's what every woman wants; you just aren't grateful enough - you need to pray more . . . .

I'm not watching but this week's YT clickbait is "BABY NUMBER 3? HERE'S OUR THOUGHTS." You have thoughts?? Beyond - our last 2 stupid YTs re Thanksgiving and New Traditions didn't even make $500 each and we gotta car payment to make?? Here's a thought C&E maybe raise the freaking kids you have. Maybe give them food that isn't Doritos and some kind of academic enrichment other than nail polish and makeup and h maybe watch them rather than letting them hang out in their rooms alone at 18 months like they are teens. Whatever happened to Layla's "school"? Funny how we never heard about that after the first few weeks. Per Reddit folks who watched the YT - Evan is definitely all in but Carlin admits she keeps going back and forth on whether they are ready or not. Evan also said the decision is entirely up to Carlin since it's her body. Per Reddit that means Carlin is already pregnant/is about to be so this lines up a nice - OMG we didn't know what we were going to do re baby #3 but God showed us the way by granting us this accidental miracle. Also amazing how it's "her body" works when it's YOUR wife WANTING another kid, but not when it's another woman who decides she doesn't want a kid, huh?

While I agree Z didn’t bear the work of having 18 younger siblings like Michael did, he was always plenty resentful of how he was raised - presumably bc he saw things get worse as they went from a reasonable 3-4 siblings up to 15+ mouths to feed. He’s very directly criticized Gil about never getting to go out to restaurants, never even getting to order a soda on a fun outing as Gil considered it a treat to order 3 sodas for 15 kids and everyone got a few sips. And yeah Z was the one telling Trace that pre marriage he needed to be working w the sheriffs office and on his off days pick up as much construction work as he could bc he needed to be as financially prepared as possible for marriage, fatherhood. Trace asked - is that what you and Whit did, and Z was very honest as he said - no it’s what I SHOULD HAVE done but I didn’t know (ahem Gil). Honestly I think this whole - quit the sheriffs office to sit home/send a few BSB packages - is Whit’s idea and Z isn’t the headship that can stand up to Whit bc he’s still so desperately in love with her, he’ll agree to anything. At first it just seemed like Kelly knew Whit’s desperation to fit in w the Bates so she was in W’s ear that it was soooo bad that Z works out of the home, long shifts, holidays/weekends, he isn’t “investing” in his kids - and Whit bought into all this and whined until Z quit. In retrospect I think it was more. Tori and Bobby come running back to Knox in spring 2019 w allegations that Bobby looked at/spoke to/whatever another woman. While I’m sure Tori didn’t sit down and detail what Bobby did, we know that Kelly used that opportunity - which was right before Carlin’s wedding too - to shriek at her daughters/DILs about how it was THEIR responsibility to keep their men close, to keep an eye on them, not let hussies around them all day. Bc it is very telling that Z&W went from a couple who was ok w Zach working in a county office where women residents stop by to going away to the police academy for a few months where he had female classmates to bam - within 1 yr of Tori/Bobby moving back, Z is suddenly glued to W’s hip. I’m thinking W worked on him hardcore re how bad it is to be away from her and his kids gasp ALL DAY. Also sheds light on Evan’s comments that all 3 yrs he was in electrician school post wedding, Carlin would cry daily, begging him not to go. Same hysterics to keep her man away from all the hussies, alas she had to wait 3 long yrs for him to finish school before he quit work for good - lol. But no worries Carlin, that man ain’t ever working again so I hope you and Mama B are happy.

Hysterical that they each drive 100k vehicles, which we can only assume they're writing off as "business expenses," yet no one was gonna be bothered to dirty up their car with used USPS sacks and drive to the post office to ship out the junk that pays their bills. I think we can pretty much assume C&E are swimming in CC debt. They seem just dim enough that they probably see "minimum payment $25" and say hmm that's all we NEED to pay, great! I assume Z&W may be a bit like that too, though I have a feeling they probably have something of an inheritance from JC and have decided that instead of saving/investing that, the Lord wills them to spend it now and to "invest" in their kids. That being said I think Z remembers and deeply resents how he was raised, so as there are more mouths to feed and BSB inevitably slows down at some point, if that means there isn't enough money to vacation or go to their favorite Japanese restaurant a few times a month, I can see Z quietly picking up police shifts and/or construction work with someone in town while his wife crows about how HER man is with her all the time . . . . Frankly I also think Z likes nice things for real and doesn't just get them bc some bro in law has them. Sure they "needed" an 8k stove + grill + griddle, yet at least we see Z using them regularly. Meanwhile Evan needed to run out and buy the grill and griddle and then laugh about how much he hates to cook and it's cheaper to just go to Five Guys. FWIW that video of Zade coming down the stairs did NOT strike me as safe. And I say that fully understanding that kids learn to navigate stairs and 2nd kids do those things quicker. I just feel like when kids are learning stairs, they tend to have a parent close at hand/a few feet behind just to make sure they get down safely. Here we had one parent at the base of the stairs filming and the other likely setting up lighting rigs and boom mics in the living room for their Christmas spectacular. I mean the child's 3 year old sister runs up the stairs and screams "Zade time for Christmas lights," and opens the stairway gate for him. He comes to the stairwell alone, gets thru the gate, turns around and shuts it behind him and comes on down. Uh am I the only one who thinks you shouldn't be showing kids how to open/close baby proof things bc then what's the point of baby proofing?? Why not just show them how the cabinet latches and seatbelt connectors work so they can rummage through the cabinets and unbuckle themselves when they're in the mood? And WTH was an 18 mo doing upstairs by himself - listening to some tunes and smoking some pot? Was his 3 yr old sister babysitting him? I mean while C&E would think it was the cutest YT moment ever if he painted his face with Layla's nail polish, I feel like I'd be worried that a child that age could think that his sister's hot pink nail polish and his mother's powdered foundation looked absolutely delicious.

WTH is wrong with that chick and with her fundie mother's housewife training? I get it, things happen. But IDK when you don't cook in your regular life + are asked to help with something that will be eaten by other people, most people are then super careful. Like they know they don't cook so they can't rely on knowing what salt vs sugar packages look like, so they READ the package. Though what am I saying Dumb and her Dumber DH were likely too busy lining up the perfect shots for next week's YT and the perfect photoshoots to show how #blessed their "little family" is to keep their eyes on the task at hand and then oopsiee sugar - OMG hahaha - that'll make such a cute anecdote for next week's YT . . . . As they prob then handed the turkey back to MIL to "fix" as best she could. So I take it all the "FU" meals shown last week were NOT cooked by C&E? I mean I assumed not bc Katie was visiting and we saw G&K, Jeb, Jud etc. hanging at C&E's house - presumably to visit with Katie, so I assume that meant that Addie/Callie's slave duties transferred to C&E's home for the week. But Carlin was posting one FU food pic after the next - clearly in response to all the - you feed your kids chips and cookies bc you can't be bothered - criticisms she gets on here and on Reddit. Though I mean who isn't going to be falling over IMPRESSED at pics of OMG a turkey sandwich; pre made burger patties ready to be thrown in the pan with lettuce/tomato/ketchup sitting near by; chinese food in pots and pans - wouldn't put it past them to order that out and then heat it up to show they made stir fries; spaghetti bolognese - which I'm guessing meant boiled pasta + jarred meat sauce 🙄

I have to assume that C&E didn't go bc Whit and Katie weren't going to be there - both were with the other side of the family for Thanksgiving. And Carlin ain't going anywhere without her besties bc without them it is Josie/Lydia, Esther/Tiff, and Erin/Tori hanging out and she doesn't fit in; doubt she was going to drive that far to hang out with random brothers and Addie/Ellie/Callie. Bc other than that I don't think the Stewarts would have cared if C&E weren't in attendance. Let's be real, they ain't helpful. And Evan has said before that his family is ALL about Christmas - like Christmas celebrating starts after Halloween and they basically take a weekend break for Thanksgiving - so doesn't seem like it's a huge holiday for them. I'm sure Z&W were thrilled that C&E are again taking another 5 day weekend - as Z&W spent Thanksgiving with her mom and then today spent the day at BSB with their older kids packaging up orders. Though who knows maybe they are happy to have the place to themselves - they can go in, get the work done in a few hours, and leave without anyone woohoo-ing, wasting time, or demanding CFA or convenience store runs.

Where have they mentioned pregnancy tests? On their YT? Given that he isn't hot for her and likely thinks any woman can just be impregnated at any time, yeah I'm thinking they probably BOTH need to go to the dr and have the general discussion re having regular sex around ovulation time etc. Even if Tiff has been going to the dr, having checkups, and has been given advice re frequency and timing of sex, I could see him being dismissive if he isn't hearing it directly from the dr. I could see her politely relaying that they need to have sex on these 4 days and him being like - oh please what to drs know - bc he doesn't want to have it . . . and he'll do her the favor of sex when he's ready whether those are the best fertility days or not. I do tend to agree that if Tiff is in the marriage for the long haul for whatever reason, she NEEDS to start the - I'm praying on it, God is laying it on my heart that we belong in Cali. I mean there she can resume somewhat of a normal life and Lawson will follow along. Sure she'd have to be the main breadwinner but she could do it getting back to acting plus with her rentals; she'd have to push him to get some kind of job to make some extra money but he can do things like landscaping even seasonally. Lawson is a different kind of person and older but lets be real certain of G&K's kids have grown up due to their inlaws - Katie, Jackson seems headed that way. It sucks that other parents need to finish raising their kids, but I think having 2 mature parents around who aren't just spouting God speak all the time will only help him and will help them as a couple, as Tiff would be less miserable. I mean Tiff wouldn't have to be running around cleaning Kelly's house or hanging around with Ellie or Callie or sucking up to Erin to be liked and accepted by the family. They'd fly to see his family 3 times/yr, and day to day she'd have her family and her old friends who presumably like her for her. If she doesn't get pregnant for a while, Gil wouldn't be there elbowing Lawson in the ribs with - git er done, you aren't getting any younger hardy har har, and Erin wouldn't be all like - my kids are praying for you to have a baby ASAP. She could do normal things like WORK without G&K's input or Gil being in Law's ear about it every other week. I mean she could make a nice career for herself doing the Christmas movie scene - which these days is looking for diverse actresses. Except now, it would be SCANDAL. What do you mean your wife is leaving for 4 weeks to shoot a movie!? What do you mean the movie has her starring opposite a man and in the last 2 minutes of the movie man and woman fall in love and kiss one time!? Law you better get your woman under control - this is how women stray blah blah. Being around that scene and being around her godly parents who have no problem with it, Law would start to realize that the Hallmark Christmas scene is as chaste as it gets and not everything is the scandal his parents make it out to be.

I assume she's had checkups if it's been 18 months or 12 months or whatever of trying to conceive. But how old is she - 22-23? I can't imagine any dr will say anything other than - keep trying. Though I guess if they HAVE actively been trying for the last 18 months and it hasn't happened, speak up. I mean I even wonder how much sex they're having to begin with. Law has always seen mom and sisters pop out baby after baby every 9 months. With the exception of Michael, it has worked out for every woman in that family so he prob thinks all women conceive easily NBD. Tiff doesn't know if she comes with a family with any types of difficulty conceiving. Law also doesn't seem like he's into her or into sex, so I can see him being the type who thinks having sex once in a month should get it done - and then when it doesn't, I can see monthly massive disappointment. But if they haven't sat down and had the discussion with a dr yet, I can see them not having enough sex around her ovulation days to make a baby. Just randomly having sex here and there through the month isn't going to result in a baby even for a young woman.

So 18 months of marriage and Tiff has an IG pic re how marriage is an instrument of sanctification? So in 1-2 years Law has either failed her, been difficult with her, sinned against her, and/or isn't only deserving of good things - per the write-up posted. So it's going well then . . . . Run Tiff. If this is how you're feeling in the newlywed years, how do you expect it to be 50-60 years from now?? They come across as nothing but platonic travel buddies. Seems like she wants a marriage - complete with chemistry etc. Seems like he simply does not love her like that and IMO maybe just doesn't love women like that but may not even realize that himself. So I think he views her as someone there to cook, clean, clean his mother's house, keep him company, travel with, birth and raise his kids. I do wonder if the kid issue is becoming a thing. I mean Law married at almost 30. In this family everyone has several kids before 30 and even though he married later, 18 months in his wife isn't even pregnant. For all his faults, he does seem to genuinely love kids and seems like he goes out of the way visiting and paying attention to nieces and nephews rather than just treating them like his 65th niece/nephew. He def sounds like he wants kids as he drops hints. They put some bench in their yard and were sitting on it and randomly he goes - well could be 3 of us on this bench a year from now, you never know. If Tiff is having trouble getting or staying pregnant, that's going to be a problem for him. I don't see him like a Brandon who would just be like - kids shrug take them or leave them; I mean Brandon seems to like kids too but he also seems like he can get his fill from being an uncle or teaching sunday school or whatever and then just live a quiet life with his wife. If Tiff is holding off on kids/taking BC bc she just isn't sure about the marriage - whether she's telling him that or not - I suspect that's already becoming a problem for them 18 months in.

I actually don't think they visited. Travis visited a bunch of times and seemed unimpressed with Katie's behavior - making fun of him, shoving ice cream in his face - but we don't know if he noticed the house or what he thought of it. Honestly I think Trav needed to get married, saw a hot fundie on IG willing to give him a chance, and was pulled in by her large fun, always screaming about something family. Like it was just a huge contrast to his more buttoned up formal family. When it was time to meet the inlaws heehaw Ma and Pa Bates showed up at the Clark mansion. I only remember that because Kelly went on and on to the point of it being uncomfortable that Trav has many cousins and they all live close by and were all raised like siblings. As if to say, she isn't marrying into some weirdo family with only 3 kids, there's tons of other family too. Like we get it you don't approve that Ma Clark closed up shop after 3 babies but uh that's what allowed them a nice mansion, where each kid had their own room, actual healthcare at real health systems - not on the barter system with creepy Dr. Vick, vacations, and you know - parental attention. I don't recall how G&K behaved that first time at the Clark home other than the # of kid comments, though Katie again took it as an opportunity to smash cake and ice cream in Trav's face after he told her not to - getting it on his sports coat etc. But I'm sure seared in Ma Clark's mind is the baby shower - where G&K showed up with pizza in hand, proceeded to sit there and eat with loudass Carlin, Evan, John and whoever else they brought, as she/FIL ran around setting up tables/chairs/food/everything for the guests. Oh but it's ok they offered up 15 yr old Addie to help her. Her inner Jersey girl was about to come out . . . .

I'm sure Tiff was doing this to be "liked" by Kelly and be considered one of the helpful inlaws. But sweetie these grifters will just expect you to do more and more while still thinking of you as just their Asian DIL, so don't start. Floors are gross - you don't live there - just don't take your shoes off while you're there. If it really is a matter of being too gross for you to stay there for a few days, fine clean up the bedroom + bathroom you are using and that's it. Wish Tiff would run the other way from this family back to her own upper middle class family, where she could get back to acting, making $, buying more income properties and having friends and family who ACCEPT her for real. I mean damn if you love Law for whatever reason/can't see that he doesn't love you, take him with you. Sure it'll be expensive in Cali but totally doable if she goes back to acting, continues to hold onto her rental properties, and Law can get a job - anything from mowing lawns to working construction under the table. These people have zero sense of embarrassment. It was a mess when Kelton and his dad came to get Josie for the courtship ask. It was a mess when Bobby's parents came to visit the first time and Tori was giving them a tour; you could see junk piled on the stairs, laundry stacked to the ceiling in the laundry room. It was a mess at Christmas - when they also invited Kelton's dad to come over - as his grandkids ran around barefoot inside and their feet were black . . . . I mean I get it, a lot of people live there so it's hard to keep things perfect. Yet when you know you have Kelton's dad or Bobby's parents coming to visit or for freaking Christmas, can you not make an effort? You can't make people pick their junk up off the floors and put it in their own closets? You can put the laundry in baskets (or don't - but then don't give tours of the house). You can't run a mop or wet jet type of thing thru the family room floors?

I laughed when C&E said he threw THREE ornaments and Evan was all like ornaments are expensive. Uh ok we get it, you're not attentive parents and apparently have never seen a child before so maybe you were caught flat footed when he threw the first one. Yet was that first one not enough for you to remove the box and/or remove him, when you realized he thought they were balls to be thrown? And fine it's the social media trend to start Christmas the day after Halloween, but for the love of god does all celebrating in that family HAVE to involve junk? Why on earth are you baking Christmas cookies on Nov 1? I imagine that Layla now expects and will want to keep baking Christmas cookies until Dec 25/Jan 1, no? I mean you want to set up your crappy garland and boring beige stockings, fine, but uh maybe don't break out the Christmas junk food 2 months in advance? Why not give her some Christmas theme coloring pages for now to start "celebrating" with. And I'm sure C&E have to have fancy ornaments bc they've never seen a child before, but hello big spenders - Target sells a whole box of 50 shatter proof ornaments for $15. You can go with those or frankly just those ornaments up top with only lights at the bottom, since you're going to have a house full of children for years.

Man the Reddit folks REALLY keep tabs on these chicks in detail. Apparently Josie changed her IG bio to "girl mom" making readers speculate that she knows the sex and it's another girl. (Though others say it means she knows it's a boy so she's just trying to take advantage of the "girl mom" schtick for a few more months. So who knows.) If anyone can/wants to read an ultrasound, she has one on her IG feed. Though doesn't look to me like she posted a low enough shot to see the business end but I have no idea as I don't read ultrasounds for a living. In any event this kid is big - 87th percentile, while her first two were 10th-12th percentile. Is that indicative of a boy - or have people seem same sex babies across the same family be born at such different sizes?

How much does all this lip filler BS cost? And is it for life or is it like Botox where you have to keep going back every so many months/years or the lips will deflate? And if you let the lips deflate (if that's even possible), do you go back to having what you were born with or will they forever look like you messed them up. And mostly importantly WHY do fundies living in bumblefuck Tenn need this - do they legit believe they are runway models bc they have an IG following?? I mean they do realize their IG following is sizably less than even other fundies like Jill or Joy Duggar, let alone any real celebrities, right?

What's the age difference between Layla and Josie's 2nd child? It saddens me to see Layla - she just seems so behind compared to others. Josie posted camping IG videos. Turns out her 2nd kid really loves the moon - is always looking for it. So as they're out camping, the kid is like - look the moon is hiding behind the trees (bc it wasn't high in the horizon yet); then - I want to hold the moon. When Josie is like how would you get up there? She's like - I'll fly in the sky to go touch it. I'm not saying the talking was super clear bc it wasn't, but it's like look a kid with independent thoughts. It was similar with Willow a few months ago when she was sitting in their living room window watching construction trucks. A truck got stuck in the mud and Willow was asking what they would do. Josie was playing out all these scenarios with her - hmm do you think 1 person can push it out? 2 people? No - is it too heavy? Then when they pulled up another truck, she explained how they can hook up one truck to another and pull out the one that's stuck. Can you imagine Carlin - ewwww dirty construction trucks and mud, IDK what they're gonna do, that's yucky boy stuff. I mean legit have we EVER seen Layla have an interest or ask anything other than asking for lipstick or nail polish? Honestly I can see Z&W pulling back bc they are raising their kids differently and as their kids get older they prob don't want to hear - well Layla gets to eat Oreos anytime she wants!? I mean Zach made baked apples with oats for a camping snack one day yet Layla is polishing off a bag of Oreos? Problem is she's 3.75 - the ship has sailed on healthy eating. Now that she's had Oreos, Doritos, Fritos, cake pops non stop for years, you know that's where her tastes lie - super sweet or salty processed food. You know she'd now pitch a huge fit at apples or carrots as a snack and even baked apples prob wouldn't be sweet enough. She strikes me as a bratty child and I see C&E giving in in 2 seconds flat when she starts howling that she wants Oreos not apples. Z&W OTOH are trying to be normal parents. While I'm sure they dine out, they cook full meals most days and even with dining out they've said their kids like Japanese food the best!? So it isn't necessarily Chick Fila 3 times/wk. They seem to do a weekly movie night and there's times where if Whit is grocery shopping that day, she'll say the kids told her what snacks they wanted. Yet she's also said the movie snack they love most is Z's home made popcorn - i.e. raw corn + oil/butter + salt. So yeah while they aren't denying their kids Doritos, I also think they're like - if these kids happily eat corn, let's not stuff them with Fritos every Friday night. TBH that was my first thought too. They said recently the heart thing is now done - hole is closed and fine. But IDK as someone who has heart issues, it'd make me nervous if a kid who had previous heart issues said toddler dance makes her tired. I mean hopefully the drs have 100% said the heart issues have resolved bc these two are so dumb you wonder. I mean these were the same people who went told Z needs iron supplements, took him back for another appt but didn't know what the appt was for and expected an iron check, as the dr was like uh no this is a regular checkup, he's only been on iron for a few weeks . . . that ain't long enough to retest. Uh I'm sure the drs explained this when putting him on iron but C&E were probably too busy filming to listen to the drs. I feel like Evan's parents have taken the approach of encouraging C&E to come stay as much as they want - which when they go 2 "weekends" per month usually ends up being 7-10 days per month. Then in those 10 days grandma runs herself ragged feeding the kids 3 meals a day stuffing them full of homecooked meals, so they're at least getting SOME good food. Thing is IDK if that's enough. Growing kids don't just need real food 20-30% of the time and then can live off of Oreos and cake pops the rest of the time?! I feel like they should open their mouths but given that this is a DIL, I bet they fear they'll see the kids less [though they shouldn't - C&E would be insulted and still showing up with bells on for the free child care and free food and lodging].

So they're in Nashville and Layla hurt herself playing with the cousins, bleeding from the chin, needs to go to the ER to get stiches (steri strips) and C&E's reaction was - wait let's take video? At one point in the hospital the camera is in her face as she's crying!? And then Carlin is sitting there comforting her. Did she legit turn to Evan and say film this? Did Evan say honey sit on the edge of the bed and we can use this in next week's YT? I wonder about their kids. They were going to dance class at like noon one day this week (uh - school? Oh wait we do that whenever, wherever, NBD) and ask Carlin is all like - are you going to dance etc. Layla says "yes but I get tired when I dance??" I mean maybe she's just saying that for attention, but how many 3 year olds admit to getting tired, ever? They're like balls of energy at that age, and when they get tired - they zonk out in the car on the way home for 15 min and they're good to go. Like they don't remember or care next week that dance made them tired?? It was the same once when Z&W came over (and Zach got stuck setting up the griddle and cooking on it) and at some point Layla is fast asleep in the hammock and Carlin is like awwww she played too hard!? Uh most 3 year olds don't get tired from running around the yard for an hour w cousins - and Z&W's kids weren't sleeping!? Though that time I believe Law had been over that week so party party C&E decided midnight ice cream run with Law and as Law was talking to the child about whether she was coming with them, what ice cream she wanted - she looked MISERABLE - bc of course she should've been asleep for 4 hrs by then. They really ought to think about food + sleep when a kid who is supposed to be a bundle of energy at her age is talking about being tired frequently.