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I agree with all the above- and it IS odd that no attempt was made to have had Mary and Carrie interact in any capacity during that rather heart tugging scene! It was almost as if Carrie herself was blind to Mary being taken away to a still-uncertain fate.

That was one of the very few times Laura showed any semblance of affection to her next youngest sister so I guess Carrie somehow was supposed to take comfort in that.

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Walnut Grove was  a nice quiet town, a town with happiness, a friendly town, with a wave and a smile. No tornadoes, no plagues, hardly any sickness. The one day it all changed. A creepy feeling crawle

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WKRP creator Hugh Wilson spoke of his frustration at trying to beat Little House in the ratings. “Every time we gain on 'em, they set a house on fire or blind another child.”

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We are still a family even though we are now just a thread. Just imagine us as now being Pa's two room shanty which he never bothered expanding, despite Grace, Albert, James, Cassandra etc...

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Thanks for the heads up on the podcast.

 

One thing I found interesting is how  his surviving offspring attested that Mr. French's entire offscreen demeanor did a 180 upon getting the role of Mr. Edwards since he actually had become quite burdened to the point of letting it darken his POV of himself by the villainous roles he had frequently played beforehand. I've often heard performers claim to have had their fun playing villains but I can't help but think that after a time, the roles would become somewhat of a burden if one truly wasn't a malevolent individual.

In any case, despite his other faults, it's good that ML gave him (and his career) a new lease on life via that role -and it's also good that they gained a sincere friendship that (despite the Carter Country stumble) managed to survive to the end of Mr. French's days.

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I found this interview with Mike months before he died about his new show and a little on his life. Not a "hard" interview, he mentions divorce for instance and how angry his older kids were, but then the interviewer went on to something else. I get it, he's not 60 min or a tabloid but he seemed afraid to go there even though Mike brought it up. I just wanting to hear him talk about "Us" and how quickly it all came to an end is a reminder how fast life is.

He talks a little about politics and how hard it was to buy a house then....lol, it was 1991 when he died, how things don't change. Bush was president, had to look it up because he was talking how people vote and about 46 min in, how high prices are in CA, how Willie Nelson was selling his condo for 16,000...I'm like that's cheap. : ) He mentioned how in his business people think they'll always have money and it's not like that. MG mentioned she did shockingly and it dried up quickly. I am too insecure to think like that but many athletes and stars do.

I did FF a little through parts and some might feel cringy, but it was who he was, it wasn't like I was listening to a potential date. He was always honest about who he was and how he felt. The fact he had the tumor then and didn't know, just made me emotional at one point. I think I would have liked that show, I remember liking the pilot and thinking it wasn't as "hallmark" as Highway to Heaven.

 

I'm not good with podcasts that aren't videos, a bit ADHD, but I left most of it as background as I did other things.

https://brioux.tv/blog/2022/08/30/from-laughter-to-tears-my-interview-31-years-ago-with-michael-landon/

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tearknee

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On 12/3/2024 at 1:12 AM, tearknee said:

Saw the follow-up to BBR again recently - who of "us" doesn't love to snark on  how Mary is wearing strong makeup including quite a bit of orange rouge when she's catatonic? ;)

Visible makeup on female characters - even kid characters that are not supposed to be wearing any - seemed to be a thing from the 1970s through to the '90s:

 

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Oh, and Nellie Oleson and Christy Kennedy are now on my "girl kids in heavy makeup that they aren't supposed to be wearing in-universe" list:

 

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A different show but here's Tabitha Stephens with the same problem:

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1 hour ago, jason88cubs said:

Lady at bar last night

 

"Oh that dad on Little House cried every single episode!!!!"

Perhaps her consumption might have gotten her to exaggerate- though it wasn't by much!

Of course, the irony is that while Charles cried a river at the drop of a dime, it took a LOT to shake Caroline's stoicism yet I can't recall Charles crying once in Mrs. Wilder's works!

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debraran

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12 hours ago, Mr. Sparkle said:

On Roku/Pluto TV, they're showing all the Christmas episodes (and loosely related Christmas episodes like "Blizzard") twice every night. That includes "Bless All the Dear Children." 

yes, I keep seeing an old one like Marvin's Garden and then Plum Creek will come on and earlier it followed one with Almonzo on a train. Odd but they didn't have too many nice Xmas ones.

debraran

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On 12/18/2024 at 7:00 AM, jason88cubs said:

Woke up in middle of the night to my favorite episode

 

Let's sit around telling stories and laughing while 10 feet of snow are being dumped on us outside

I assume it kept you from thinking "I have to go to the bathroom". Even a chamber pot in that home had no privacy. ; /

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debraran

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9 hours ago, shipmate said:

In honor of the fact that Christmas at plum Creek has been on TV every evening for over a week….

Do you think Pa ever got his eight dollars back from Mr. Olsen??? Ha!

My husband pointed out only listening from another room, "Is the sell my horse to the nasty girl on again?"  lol  I said to him, if Charles for once didn't have the money to buy the stove, it would have been worse, having your kid sacrifice her horse to bad treatment and you could have stepped up with a gift this year. I assume since nothing new ever entered the home, she saved as credit for shopping just in case a tornado had their address this time or some other calamity. I think ML knew how fans would react so had plans to get Bunny back and then kill it later, but the extra shirt (did she waste the material?) and money from wheels remained a mystery. I said giving THAT one to Chris would have been a nice tie in....No Mary, this is one I made the same year you did. Hid it under the bed until Charles wore his out.

I love 3/4 of the show, but never, ever will that part. I get it, but don't like who she gave it too, if it was Garvey's kid or anyone but Bartholomew, lol,  I'd be okay. She just stuck her tongue out to her earlier in the show and lauded the horse over her. Never made sense.

I chalk it up to Ma never got gifts really and if she did we never saw them again. The famous, gorgeous dishes disappeared with the barrel and the pin she got once, the painting the blind painter gave her, the necklace from step dad we only saw one Xmas. Never got a store bought dress (but came close) never had the girls buy her a nice hat or coat later in life, never a new lamp or even a book.  Charles got gifts though, pajamas, shirts, lots of scarves.

debraran

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On 12/20/2024 at 7:03 AM, jason88cubs said:

I woke up to "Once upon a time" Never seen this episode.

 

All I know is I woke up to some funky 70s music and a girl running into a library. The confusion I felt

I think many fans went to check the channel back in the day...one of ML kids and I just saw on a weird Highway to Heaven about the world ending, his daughter with Cindy had a role as an 'angel" of some kind. Another cute blonde.

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On 12/20/2024 at 6:03 AM, jason88cubs said:

I woke up to "Once upon a time" Never seen this episode.

 

All I know is I woke up to some funky 70s music and a girl running into a library. The confusion I felt

 

Let's not overlook the confusion that got sewn for those viewing ML's closing narration celebrating Mrs. Wilder's eventual publication of works that would still be popular in contemporary (early 1980's) times as evinced by the uncredited Landon daughter running in said library to pick this out.

I'm sure the bulk of viewers knew that ML not only played Charles but also produced, direct and wrote the bulk of the series' episodes. Hence, no surprise he used all that behind-the-scenes clout to permit himself to do said narration.

However, ML's narration didn't once say 'I'm Michael Landon' before the 'blah blah blah'. Hence, it's probable that at least some younger and/or naive viewers might have wondered if this meant that somehow Charles Ingalls himself was narrating Mrs. Wilder's and  the Little House tomes eventual fates. .having somehow lived to the age of 153 yet still vocally sounding as though he was at least a  century younger!

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On 12/22/2024 at 12:58 PM, tearknee said:

Although Mac Carey still does the "like sands through the hourglass..." 30 years after he went to meet his maker (and they don't use the second half where he gave his name).

But ML was alive during that 1993 one-shot narration while Charles Ingalls had been deceased for 91 years! However, at NO point in the series did anyone allude to Pa's eventual passing- even though Mrs. Wilder wrote all those books decades afterwards and wouldn't get her own reward until over a half-century after his demise.

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2 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Merry Christmas! I hope everybody got a new tin cup, peppermint stick, and a bright new penny.

I'm somewhat surprised that no one on Walnut Grove seemed to get an orange on Christmas Day!

Folks on both sides of the Pond  from the mid-19th through mid-20th centuries would save up to pool their resources so their children would get ONE fresh orange in the toe of their Christmas Stockings- and for many of those children (outside places like Florida and California), that would be the ONLY fresh orange they'd get the entire year so they looked forward to them (and often their mothers would insist on them saving the peels so she could make orange marmalade from them).

Just wondering.

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The Wild Sow

The Wild Sow

On 12/20/2024 at 7:03 AM, jason88cubs said:

I woke up to "Once upon a time" Never seen this episode.

The most hilarious and ironic thing is that the episodes immediately following "Once Upon a Time" are "Home Again" (parts 1 and 2.)

You know, the ones where "Albert Ingalls," the (non-existent, non-historical, added to the show for drama!) adopted son falls in with the gang (drama!) in Chicago (where I don't think the real Charles and family ever actually lived , so....drama!) 

And gets addicted to mor-PHINE (how's that for DRAMA!)  And of course Pa tough-loves him through the cold turkey withdrawal (quite dramatic, no?) but it all works out and Albert grows up to be Dr. Albert Ingalls (Happy Ending after all the drama!)

So, the real Laura Ingalls Wilder wasn't willing to make up stuff in her books to add drama.  Michael Landon, it seems, had no such qualms!  And I still think he timed the episodes that way on purpose 😜

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Snow Apple

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2 hours ago, Blergh said:

I'm somewhat surprised that no one on Walnut Grove seemed to get an orange on Christmas Day!

Folks on both sides of the Pond  from the mid-19th through mid-20th centuries would save up to pool their resources so their children would get ONE fresh orange in the toe of their Christmas Stockings- and for many of those children (outside places like Florida and California), that would be the ONLY fresh orange they'd get the entire year so they looked forward to them (and often their mothers would insist on them saving the peels so she could make orange marmalade from them).

Just wondering.

You just explained something in the books to me. In one of the books, Laura was thrilled to get an entire orange at her friend Ben's birthday party. In a later book, Almanzo contributed a bag of oranges for Christmas. 

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1 hour ago, Snow Apple said:

You just explained something in the books to me. In one of the books, Laura was thrilled to get an entire orange at her friend Ben's birthday party. In a later book, Almanzo contributed a bag of oranges for Christmas. 

One of the more touching reflections from The Waltons had to do with Grandpa recalling the wonder of getting  his 1st Christmas orange as a child and from that, believing that he'd NEVER be poor again which had sustained him through many tough times thereafter!

Peppermint sticks and shiny pennies were fine but they didn't reflect the awe of how special Christmas oranges were for so many folks for generations! Yeah, an LHTOP missed opportunity.

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debraran

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18 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Merry Christmas! I hope everybody got a new tin cup, peppermint stick, and a bright new penny.

One year, 20 years ago, a catalog had for sale, a tin cup, peppermint stick and penny taped to the bottom. I had to get it even though my LHOP girls were pushing 10 but they still loved it. One tin cup still standing. ; )

Luckily we got a new gas stove in time for Xmas and our pup Gabe was safe.....

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tearknee

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thinking of reviving my old Psycho Carrie fics from TWOP and elsewhere with their running theme of Carrie's obsessive hatred for Cassandra Cooper for taking what little character function and screen time she still had.

In keeping with the Anachronism Stew of the TV show, Carrie riffs off the scene from "Reservoir Dogs" - Cassandra is gagged and bound to a chair while Carrie dances to a recording of fiddle music from one of Nellie's recording devices before leaning in and cutting off Cassandra's

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lovely hair ;)

 

tearknee

tearknee

Sometimes I prefer KM as Christy to MG as Laura.

Plus, the 1995 Christy series doesn't have Mick Landon's weird hang-ups and seeming running to an outhouse (Caroline Celestia Ingalls) and stuck-in-a-highchair-even-when-she's-too-old for it (Grace Pearl Ingalls) fetishes frequently visible in the scripts.

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tearknee

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Swiftly working -- it's amazing what you can jury-rig when YOU'RE PISSED OFF -- to Invent a machine capable of travel through the corridors of time, whereupon she coldly and ruthlessly kills and replaces the real Caroline Quiner, all to ensure a long game revenge against Nellie and her family - i wouldn't like to be playing poker against Miss Anna!

 

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New Years Eve

 

Charles: Our resolution this year is Cash on Barrel only. NO MORE CREDIT

Mary: But Pa you said that last year and had to use credit on Jan 5th

Charles: Go to the barn and do some chores!

Mary: But Pa I did them earlier

Charles: Then do tomorrow's chores today!

Caroline: Charles

Charles: Disrespect.  I wont put up with it. I'll show her. I'll show you all! Cash on a barrel only!

(Laura thinking "I wish everyone would go to bed so I can sneak out)

 

January 4th

Charles: hey Nels

Nels: Charles nice to see ya!

Charles: I need some tobacco, sugar, flour, and the kids need a new writing pad. And guess what cash on a barrel only this year!

Nels: hey thats great! But Charles you are 3 cents short

Charles: 3 cents short huh.well

Nels: I mean we can turn in the tobacco that will work, youll be fine then!

Charles: No No i need that. Lets turn in the writing pad! The kids will eb fine

Nels: but but school the kids

Charles: Thanks Nels! Like I said Cash on a barrell!

(at home)

Caroline: Charles , didn't you get a writing pad?

Charles: didnt have enough (opens up tobacco)

Caroline: But enough for your tobacco

(charles takes a hit on pipe)

Charles: ahhh the luxuries of life

Caroline(oh chris where are you)

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4 hours ago, The Wild Sow said:

Baby Battering-Ram is on CoziTV right now!

Seems to me everyone's awfully quick to forgive Albert after that, too.

Well, at least all his 'I didn't MEAN it!'s got Mary out of her catatonic grief for her lost son so I guess that's something. However, note that that would be about the last time that he and Mary had any dialogue so maybe she didn't totally forgive him.

 

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Just saw the Patrick Labyorteaux Sheaux [sic?] podcast with AA!

Talk about a house on fire with a straight man trying to corral a live wire! Yes, she told tales of how she bonded with Gladys Whitten the hairdresser (and learned many tales of the Golden Age of Hollywood) via listening to the elder woman's recollections. AA also detailed how she, Dean Butler were able to get the faithful Pamela Bob to moderate their own 50th Anniversary Podcast series (which she now says has been so therapeutic  and fun that she sees no end to). One tale I hadn't heard before was how she was offered something like $20,000 a day salary to perform on a Bahrainian cruise ship for a month but despite being very tempted to do something that would have put her on easy street for a long time, she decided against it because it would have required her to perform two shows a day and she  didn't believe she could have provided  the material. HOWEVER, itturned out that the timing of this cruise would have been right in the middle of Operation Desert Storm when Iraq invaded Kuwait,etc. and that cruise ship would have been somewhat in the middle of all that so she was somewhat grateful that she didn't take the gig.

Interestingly enough Patrick Labyorteaux himself did admit to having disliked (of all folks) Jason Bateman (and evidently the two have NOT become friends as adults). .and feeling somewhat vindicated when he (PL) and Todd Bridges one day dumped Mr. Bateman into a garbage can! He told the story after AA retold of having gleefully dumped  (with MG) PL's kid bro Matthew in a garbage can as a welcoming to the show (and the two Labyorteux bros as well as MG and AA have all stayed friends down the decades).

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The Wild Sow

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19 hours ago, The Wild Sow said:

Baby Battering-Ram is on CoziTV right now!

Seems to me everyone's awfully quick to forgive Albert after that, too.

Oops, I was mistaken -- it's Great American Faith & Living, not Cozi!   

Part 2 is on in about 5 minutes.

 

Carrie down the mine shaft is on Cozi this morning.

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debraran

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Watching some of the episodes today I usually skip and I miss side scenes. The one where Harriet listens to the phone calls and the 3wk marriage of Alice. The kids try to get her back by giving her a "stock tip" that is bogus. Nel's is trying to dissuade her from spending their money and there was tons, stacks of it in her bedroom. I wondered where they put it without a close bank and she said "she didn't trust them" but the stock market she did : ) I wondered where others hid money, online it said in 1800's, many hid in cans, barns, buried it in the yard. The Ingall's didn't have to worry about it though, they never had too much to save sadly. I think the bank was more a prop for a few episodes and then disappeared. They weren't insured then and it must have been hard to keep money if you had it and theft. Just an observation and how much things changed.

I liked how Nel's put her to work after she got back losing the money, lol. They had a lot of sweet moments mixed in though, I wish ML put in more. Some scenes with them mentioned on a forum were,  the walk they took when came back from his almost affair, the dance with her hair down after Willie's wedding. I liked when was depressed about Nellie and Cassandra helped her feel better. She is taking a bath and Nel's kissed her in the tub and they were teasing each other and laughing.  He kissed her when she came back from teaching and Laura came back to work and said he missed her and she said "no" and he said I did, I didn't do a good job with something and he kissed her she blushed and said she'd finish the stocking, not to worry and you could tell she was so happy. He "saw" her.

 

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Blergh

I agree that it would have been nice to have had more tender moments between Nels and Harriet depicted.

However, since Harriet was THE main Walnut Grove Strawperson Villain who most of her fellow citizens at best were patient with (and at worst openly disdained her) while Nels was supposed to have been universally considered 'such a nice man' by the whole town (despite being the husband and father of the two biggest Walnut Grove nemeses), I suppose that ML believed that if the Olesons were depicted as being TOO tender with each other, then it wouldn't be believable her to be mean and him to be nice with neither totally reforming the other!

Of course, it must be said that there were times that Nels seemed to keep secret and side with Laura,etc. when she'd pulled stunts that irrefutably had made Harriet and/or Nellie look like fools or even had risked them having had serious harm (e.g. Laura pushing Nellie in the wheelchair down the hill just to 'prove' that Nellie had been faking paralysis). I mean, on the one hand I appreciate Nels wanting to be fair and seeing beyond the Harriet and Nellie's myopic worldview but, on the other hand, sometimes it seemed as though he was more interested in letting Laura prevail than in considering whether his wife and daughter may not have entirely been justly treated by a customer's child.

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