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I ididn't realize before Matthew's home was destroyed and there is a Go Fund Me but I don't recall Alison mentioning it on FB page. It says they are sheltering in a friends guest house and all his voice over equipment and belongings were destroyed and the school Waldorf his wife worked at for 10 years. It said in part:

My name is Susannah Blinkoff, I live in Los Angeles Calif, and I am the organizer of this page for Leslie Stevens Labyorteaux - a close friend for the past 24 years. Yesterday, Leslie, her husband Matthew, and their kids Sue and Truman Suhy suffered a devastating loss due to the tragic fire in Altadena Calif. Everything they own is now gone - destroyed by the fire. Besides that, the Pasadena Waldorf School where Leslie has worked for the past 10 years (and that Sue and Truman attended) has also been destroyed. The pain of these losses is beyond comprehension, and completely overwhelming. They are sheltering at a friend's home now, reeling with the shock of what has happened over the last 48hrs

 I know the fires and insurance can take a very long time, 2 homes near me that had fires a year ago, are finally being worked on.

Matt has always been very private and I hope he is doing better now and they can as many others, find a new reality to live in.

Thanks for doing a great recap.

 

 

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On 2/5/2025 at 1:43 PM, mustbeme said:

Watching Sweet Sixteen........it always bothers me that Pa says I don't believe a girl should get married until 18......when Mary was engaged at 13 to be married at 15, living alone in Wanoka 16 and married to Adam at 16/17.  If Mary is like 2ish years older than Laura, that makes her 18ish and married for a while.  This drives me crazy every time it.    rant over..... 

Sweet Sixteen is also troublesome for Ma telling Pa that she just couldn't wait to call him Grandpa. And he replies, "Same to you...Grandma!" and they laugh hysterically. 

When Adam Holbrook Barbecue Kendall Jr had literally perished in episode 19 and Sweet Sixteen was episode 22. Three episodes prior, folks.

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4 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Sweet Sixteen is also troublesome for Ma telling Pa that she just couldn't wait to call him Grandpa. And he replies, "Same to you...Grandma!" and they laugh hysterically. 

When Adam Holbrook Barbecue Kendall Jr had literally perished in episode 19 and Sweet Sixteen was episode 22. Three episodes prior, folks.

Three episodes and she's wiped grief and trauma off like makeup. 

Tiffany Brissette was taking down notes.

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10 hours ago, Mr. Sparkle said:

As long as we're on the subject, remember when Albert beat up Andy because a girl Albert liked was into Andy? That was the episode right after Albert fried Andy's mother (and his nephew too). 

 That along with a few others, is very hard to brush off. LHOP was a story, it wasn't standalone to this degree. What's next, they forget Mary is blind?

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One thing that I've never seen discussed is whether the RL Almanzo Wilder considered his very unusual given name to have been a burden to him even considering how it somehow supposedly hearkened back to his family's medieval past.

I mean, I  had an African-American friend whose sister had been named for an Inuit character in a children's book- and the poor sister wound up having to explain her name origins for the zillionth time at my friend's funeral to a somewhat nosy congregant.  Yes, imagine having to explain one's name origins virtually every time one would be introduced, etc. (and why this congregant felt the need to pester that poor sister at the funeral on top of having to deal with her grief,etc., is beyond me).

Then again, my own mother has a rather unusual given name that's a family surname  but is tricky to spell (even though it's easy to pronounce).

FWIW, Mr. Wilder's middle name was James so I suppose he could have opted to ask others outside his immediate family to have called him that had he wanted.

On 1/26/2025 at 4:26 PM, debraran said:

The closest ML came on LHOP was the blind painter who's mom saw her when paintings were displayed. I never understood why it was a "secret" going blind is nothing to be ashamed of.

That was on this morning. And the Mom didn't actually "see" her, you know.

And I think it was just the DUMBEST storyline ever.

OK, the daughter thinks Mom abandoned her because daughter was going blind. Nope, Mom left her at the orphanage because she HERSELF, the Mom, was going blind! So why not TELL her?  "I didn't want her to come to me out of pity..." WHAT?? Giving her information that she didn't have, the fact of her Mom's blindness, isn't asking for "pity" -- it's explaining a situation that the daughter was unaware of. 

Freakin' TALK to each other, people.

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1 hour ago, The Wild Sow said:

That was on this morning. And the Mom didn't actually "see" her, you know.

And I think it was just the DUMBEST storyline ever.

OK, the daughter thinks Mom abandoned her because daughter was going blind. Nope, Mom left her at the orphanage because she HERSELF, the Mom, was going blind! So why not TELL her?  "I didn't want her to come to me out of pity..." WHAT?? Giving her information that she didn't have, the fact of her Mom's blindness, isn't asking for "pity" -- it's explaining a situation that the daughter was unaware of. 

Freakin' TALK to each other, people.

Yes, that's why I didn't like it, the mom did nothing wrong really but maybe could have written her a note but being sick and blind isn't a sin and "pity" is so much better than thinking your mom dumped you. Geez

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3 hours ago, debraran said:

Yes, that's why I didn't like it, the mom did nothing wrong really but maybe could have written her a note but being sick and blind isn't a sin and "pity" is so much better than thinking your mom dumped you. Geez

IMO, it would have worked better had let's say the late father's relatives deemed the mother unfit due to her illness and blindness and the courts agreed THEN the paternal relatives dumped her in an orphanage because they didn't want to be bothered with her. .then(with no other information) the girl grew up thinking that ALL of them had dumped her there.

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I find it funny (but not odd) that the cast doesn't watch it often. Matthew said recently he might catch it on while going up and down the numbers on TV and stall a bit to see which one, but doesn't like to watch himself. Karen and others said they rarely see it and MSA said her kids thought it was "cool" and that their teachers loved the show but didn't want to watch too much. I think MG might try to get her grand kids interested. ; ) 

They lived it and I feel it's wonderful they try to remember 50 years ago and all the various episodes fans bring up. Charlotte will just say she doesn't have a clue sometimes but does remember the "big" ones and she's very grateful for the 4 years she was given and it was fun to learn she knew Lukes dad off the set and got to spend time with him again. I felt bad she said, her last show was just the last show, no party, no fanfare, you just moved on. We missed you Miss Beadle!!

 

What was your favorite episode(s)?
“Here Come the Brides,” in which Miss Beadle marries the pig farmer, Adam Simms. No one knew that Adam was played by a dear friend, Joshua Bryant, who had gone to the Pasadena Playhouse with me in the late 50s!

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2 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Speaking of Charlotte, I recently saw an episode of My Three Sons and there was a cute girl playing a teenage reporter for the school paper that Mike worked on. She wanted her articles in dramatic poetry LOL. I happened to catch the credits and she was played by Charlotte . So young!

Yep, and her crush on 'Mike' wasn't solely due to the script. Miss Stewart and Tim Considine were starting their bond which would wind up with them getting married, divorced . ..then airing out their misunderstandings and  eventually becoming platonic friends (along with his 2nd wife).   Miss Stewart was upset over his unexpected death (which she said happened after a fall at his home)!

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One thing occurred to me re Laura and the wheelchair: even though Nellie had been cruel to Bunny and deceptive to Laura (and everyone else) via faking paralysis, Laura DID literally put Nellie's actual mobility if not her life at risk via shoving her down that hill in that breakaway wheelchair- yet at NO point did Laura ever show the slightest contrition for having risked Nellie's literal limbs and life that way!

Even when retelling the tale over Christmas NO ONE calls Laura on having done that to Nellie not even Caroline 'We don't HATE anyone' Ingalls! Yeah, awful to fess hating someone but shoving someone down a hill in a wheelchair is fine and dandy!

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6 hours ago, Blergh said:

One thing occurred to me re Laura and the wheelchair: even though Nellie had been cruel to Bunny and deceptive to Laura (and everyone else) via faking paralysis, Laura DID literally put Nellie's actual mobility if not her life at risk via shoving her down that hill in that breakaway wheelchair- yet at NO point did Laura ever show the slightest contrition for having risked Nellie's literal limbs and life that way!

Even when retelling the tale over Christmas NO ONE calls Laura on having done that to Nellie not even Caroline 'We don't HATE anyone' Ingalls! Yeah, awful to fess hating someone but shoving someone down a hill in a wheelchair is fine and dandy!

That always bothers me too, she could have tumbled out, hit her head and try explaining to Doc Baker, well I saw her walk and decided this was the best way to address it. Dramatic but I never thought it was funny. She could have yelled "fire" with the same effect. 

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2 hours ago, debraran said:

That always bothers me too, she could have tumbled out, hit her head and try explaining to Doc Baker, well I saw her walk and decided this was the best way to address it. Dramatic but I never thought it was funny. She could have yelled "fire" with the same effect. 

Or Laura could have done what Albert would later do to spook Nellie from the switchboard- find a mouse and toss at her (with both the Oleson parents present)! THAT would have showed up Nellie and been funny to boot !

Yet, NO ONE called out Laura for having done the wheelchair throwdown including Ma, Pa or EITHER of the Oleson 'rents (even when  she openly bragged about it years later)!

 

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OK, there was a Prairie Podcast in which AA, Mr. Butler and Miss Bob went over the Season One, Episode 4 episode 'The Return of Mr. Edwards' which introed the Pilot Movie hero as a series regular. They made the interesting points of how Isaiah's [re] introduction started with a seemingly mundane plot of Charles getting supplies in Mankato and impulsively deciding to get Caroline a present while there then while seeking out the store for said present, happening to walk by a saloon where he heard [in the street] Isaiah himself yelling at the top of his lungs to challenge any TWO bar patrons to be beat up by him. Charles immediately dove into the hornet's nest and yanked the drunk-as-a-skunk-with-nothing-to-lose Mr. Edwards OUT of there and dunked his head in a water trough to try to sober him up a little (since Charles had to say his name to get Isaiah's memory to recollect him). Yes, it seemed quite likely that had Charles not stepped in when he did, the bar patrons would have had him arrested if not beaten up or worse! It wound up that Caroline got no present- unless one counts on  the delivery of their family friend to her home straight from Mankato.

Anyway the three Podcast hosts remarked about what a fantastic performer Mr. French had been to have been able to believably pull off going from dark and destructive to regaining his purpose in life (being invited to Walnut Grove, getting reacquainted with an ailing  Laura, spilling his guts about the early loss of his 1st wife and young daughter, meeting the interested widow  Grace Snyder,etc.)- with quite a few bits of humor thrown in (in just this one episode) and I have to agree!

However, while I can recall a few bits here and there of Mr. Edwards and Almanzo having exchanges (usually with either Charles or Laura being part of the exchange), I can't recall ANY with Mr. Edwards and Nellie despite the many exchanges over the years he had with all the Olesons especially Harriet! If anyone can recall any exchanges, please help set my amnesia straight. Otherwise, it's a bit odd that despite all the other interactions between the Ingallses, Olesons, and Edwardses that there would have been none between Laura's childhood hero and nemesis. Of course, I know that Mrs. Wilder didn't have them meet in her works (and historians still are debating whether Mr. Edwards was based on a RL individual, a composite or even a totally fictional creation of Mrs. Wilder) but still it would be odd that ML wouldn't have had them done so despite setting up the dynamics in which they COULD have done so!

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1 hour ago, Blergh said:

OK, there was a Prairie Podcast in which AA, Mr. Butler and Miss Bob went over the Season One, Episode 4 episode 'The Return of Mr. Edwards' which introed the Pilot Movie hero as a series regular. They made the interesting points of how Isaiah's [re] introduction started with a seemingly mundane plot of Charles getting supplies in Mankato and impulsively getting Caroline a present while there then while seeking out the store for said present, happening to walk by a saloon where he heard [in the street] Isaiah himself yelling at the top of his lungs to challenge any TWO bar patrons to be beat up by him. Charles immediately dove into the hornet's nest and yanked the drunk-as-a-skunk-with-nothing-to-lose Mr. Edwards OUT of there and dunked his head in a water trough to try to sober him up a little (since Charles had to say his name to get Isaiah's memory to recollect him). Yes, it seemed quite likely that had Charles not stepped in when he did, the bar patrons would have had him arrested if not beaten up or worse!

Anyway the three of them remarked about what a fantastic performer Mr. French had been to have been able to believably pull off going from dark and destructive to regaining his purpose in life (very being invited to Walnut Grove, getting reacquainted with an ailing  Laura, spilling his guts about the early loss of his 1st wife and young daughter, meeting the interested widow  Grace Snyder,etc.)- with quite a few bits of humor thrown in (in just this one episode) and I have to agree!

However, while I can recall a few bits here and there of Mr. Edwards and Almanzo having exchanges (usually with either Charles or Laura being part of the exchange), I can't recall ANY with Mr. Edwards and Nellie despite the many exchanges over the years he had with all the Olesons especially Harriet! If anyone can recall any exchanges, please help set my amnesia straight. Otherwise, it's a bit odd that despite all the other interactions between the Ingalls, Olesons, and Edwardses that there would have been none between Laura's childhood hero and nemesis. Of course, I know that Mrs. Wilder didn't have them meet in her works (and historians still are debating whether Mr. Edwards was a composite or even a totally fictional creation of Mrs. Wilder) but still it would be odd that ML wouldn't have had them done so despite setting up the dynamics in which they COULD have done so!

Yea I can't recall any actually

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2 hours ago, Mr. Sparkle said:

I was trying to think, and no Edwards-Nellie moments come to mind. Edwards-Harriet, definitely. I always wondered why Willie picked Edwards to be his best man. 

Between Willie's last-known same aged peer friend Albert having been given a terminal diagnosis (if not having actual died) and Harriet having nearly succeeded in guilt-tripping his intended bride Rachel to dump him JUST so Willie would go to that college of Harriet's dreams, I think it's probable he chose Mr. Edwards for that role to tick Harriet off!

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I love those podcasts. I need to go see what ones I missed. Back to School was great too and there's one with Victor's children.

I can't recall either, Nel's of course, but not Alison. Toward the end, Mr Edward's did live and interact with Willie a bit but I can't remember Nellie.

He was such an interesting character and had so much dimension, I just wish he was able to find some happiness before show ended. Everyone loved his directing also, he had the eye you need and understanding.

I liked how Alison said Charles in the scene in the barn, didn't push Edward's about his family, but let him lead, the touch on his head, I remember that, just enough. Did he ever say what their names were, daughter or wife?

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I vaguely remember Mr. Edwards and grown-up Nellie warmly greeting each other when Nellie came back for a visit. I don't see that scene in reruns so I don't know if it was all in my head. 

I also don't remember Mr. Edwards directly interacting with the Oleson children. But I guess it's one thing for Mr. Edwards and Harriet to butt heads but maybe they didn't want his character to be someone who is seen as a bully/mean to children, even to his beloved Laura's rival. 

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7 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I vaguely remember Mr. Edwards and grown-up Nellie warmly greeting each other when Nellie came back for a visit. I don't see that scene in reruns so I don't know if it was all in my head. 

I also don't remember Mr. Edwards directly interacting with the Oleson children. But I guess it's one thing for Mr. Edwards and Harriet to butt heads but maybe they didn't want his character to be someone who is seen as a bully/mean to children, even to his beloved Laura's rival. 

Now that you mention, I have some vague memory of this brief exchange when Nellie re-appeared in her Jiffy-Pop hairdo but since I can't find the episode to watch to confirm this, it's within the realm of possibility that this could be in both our respective imaginations. If someone who's seen this episode and is able to confirm/refute this, please let us know.

BTW, there were one-shot 'misunderstood' characters who Laura befriended then deliberately spooked Nellie (e.g. the Miss Lillie's shut-in widower who tried to bury the reality of her early death via music boxes).

17 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

I must have created a scene in my head. I could have sworn Mr. Edwards and Nellie greeted each other while she was walking through town on her way  to Laura and Almanzo's place.

Maybe I'm mixing up characters, scenes, or episodes. 

Oh, I didn’t look that far, he might have. I was just looking before I went to work when she first got off the coach. You could put the cursor on the bottom of the video and just sort of look at scene after scene, but I didn’t quite get that far. He was at her party though.

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On 2/25/2025 at 3:13 AM, debraran said:

She did give Mr Edward's a hug going to Laura's and he was at her party also. I just FF through the beginning. ; )

Thanks for doing the 'dirty work' [having to watch a Nancy-centered episode] to make the discovery for us!

It would have been somewhat illogical to have invited Mr. Edwards to the party (especially if Harriet had been the one to organize and host it).

However, as AA herself reflected about her role in the episode, with the exception of the time when Nellie choked Nancy to stop her snoring while both slept in the same bed, the way they wrote the episode, it was more like Alison Arngrim herself came to visit via all the happy meets-and-greets than Nellie. I mean not just Laura inviting her to her home to meet Baby Rose and catch up but having Nels give her a warm,friendly paternal hug which he'd NEVER done with Nellie before gives credence to AA's theory.

Hence, even though there didn't seem to have been any one-on-one interaction between Nellie and Mr. Edwards when both had been regulars, viewing it through that lens, it somewhat makes sense that he'd have been invited to her party since it appears that AA and the late Victor French did seem to get along on the set and she didn't report any conflicts or issues with him in her book or any interviews.

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Yes I think that is why they had Nel's ask him and Harriet be "really?"  I think time blurs some memories but after Nancy and how awful she was, I would not blame anyone for thinking Nellie was next to heaven when she returned . 😄

I really enjoyed this podcast with MSA and it covered her training on being blind (newly blind, later blind type of thing) She talks about her Emmy nomination, her episodes on the show, her views on Karen's book and why she left. She hadn't read Dean's but loved watching an interview where he talked about being polite all the time and how hard it was. I know ML was not always nice to people and she mentions an instance about a man who stuttered and I wonder if that is why he used that twice in the show (or another writer did)

 

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Yes, it was a very thorough interview about Miss Anderson's time on LHTOP and it was interesting how she detailed  Mary's 'blind evolution' from being 'newly blind' (e.g. feeling behind for a chair then sitting on one's hand so as not to miss the chair) to being adjusted to it. It makes sense that one would have to learn to rely on other senses (and from what I understand, contrary to popular belief, the remaining senses do NOT automatically amplify themselves to compensate for the lost sense but one must work to train them to do so).

While it was nice of Miss Anderson to praise Miss Grassle for having given her onetime castmates pre-publication previews of her autobio AND for having actually worked to BECOME a writer when doing this, I had to laugh when she said that Miss Grassle 'never does anything halfway'.

I mean( apart from her attending Mr. French's funeral where she claimed that ML told her that Mr. French had drank himself to death, then ML's deathbed where she claimed to have forgiven him, then a brief reunion with crew members 15 years after the show's end where she repeats kudos for her 'professionalism' during that whole salary contest with ML) Miss Grassle ended her autobio EXACTLY at the halfway point of her life to the time of the authorship with the show's end while saying nothing about her 2nd marriage ending in divorce [which seemed on the upswing when the book wrapped up), a 3rd marriage also ending in divorce. .or anything about her adoptive grown child . Even a paragraph stating the barebone facts of the last four decades would have been better than what we got.

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10 hours ago, Blergh said:

Yes, it was a very thorough interview about Miss Anderson's time on LHTOP and it was interesting how she detailed  Mary's 'blind evolution' from being 'newly blind' (e.g. feeling behind for a chair then sitting on one's hand so as not to miss the chair) to being adjusted to it. It makes sense that one would have to learn to rely on other senses (and from what I understand, contrary to popular belief, the remaining senses do NOT automatically amplify themselves to compensate for the lost sense but one must work to train them to do so).

While it was nice of Miss Anderson to praise Miss Grassle for having given her onetime castmates pre-publication previews of her autobio AND for having actually worked to BECOME a writer when doing this, I had to laugh when she said that Miss Grassle 'never does anything halfway'.

I mean( apart from her attending Mr. French's funeral where she claimed that ML told her that Mr. French had drank himself to death, then ML's deathbed where she claimed to have forgiven him, then a brief reunion with crew members 15 years after the show's end where she repeats kudos for her 'professionalism' during that whole salary contest with ML) Miss Grassle ended her autobio EXACTLY at the halfway point of her life to the time of the authorship with the show's end while saying nothing about her 2nd marriage ending in divorce [which seemed on the upswing when the book wrapped up), a 3rd marriage also ending in divorce. .or anything about her adoptive grown child . Even a paragraph stating the barebone facts of the last four decades would have been better than what we got.

I was very disappointed in the way she ended her book! It was so abrupt. Unless she is planning on doing part 2 at some point?

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9 hours ago, andidante said:

I was very disappointed in the way she ended her book! It was so abrupt. Unless she is planning on doing part 2 at some point?

I doubt it at 83 years old, but you never know. I have a funny feeling it was edited quite a bit also and that maybe they thought no one would be interested in that part of her life because mainly little house fans would be buying it.

Cher on the other hand, is coming out with another huge book and she does have enough info for it :)

I’ve been finding a lot of lovely Melissa Sue interviews online and she’s very open and honest and Mike was never Mr. Rogers, but I think she’s the most balanced in talking about him and herself. Charlotte has done great ones too 

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8 hours ago, debraran said:

I doubt it at 83 years old, but you never know. I have a funny feeling it was edited quite a bit also and that maybe they thought no one would be interested in that part of her life because mainly little house fans would be buying it.

Cher on the other hand, is coming out with another huge book and she does have enough info for it :)

I’ve been finding a lot of lovely Melissa Sue interviews online and she’s very open and honest and Mike was never Mr. Rogers, but I think she’s the most balanced in talking about him and herself. Charlotte has done great ones too 

Actually, I was going to bring up Cher myself inasmuch that Cher had previously announced that she had planned to release her own autobio in two parts (after the release of the first partwith the first part dealing with her life up to right before she started her movie performing career in earnest) while Miss Grassle has made no announcement re her own autobio.

Sadly, on a more pragmatic level, while it's possible that Miss Grassle may have had some enthralling experiences since the end of LHOTP that could possibly warrant a separate tome, since she's largely been out of the spotlight (unlike Cher), there are few outside whatever circle/s she's been in who would be potential customers for a possible 2nd part. Hence, due to there being little if any marketplace for her recollections of her post-1983 life, it would have better had she at the very least summarized those four decades in the tail end of the autobio she released rather than completely have avoided them [apart from the three LHOTP-linked events I mentioned in my original post].

At least Miss Anderson didn't appear to have been taken offense at anything in Miss Grassle's tome and seems to respect her POV as well as being newly empathetic to it after Miss Grassle told her side so all that was  good!

 

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