Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[peacheslatour]

I know Palimpsest isn't everyone's cup of joe, I just like the departure from formula that sees Nichols doing an old fashioned, Agatha Christie type story. It seemed like at that point the show had completely lost focus but I liked it anyway.

[Xeliou66]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

I know Palimpsest isn't everyone's cup of joe, I just like the departure from formula that sees Nichols doing an old fashioned, Agatha Christie type story. It seemed like at that point the show had completely lost focus but I liked it anyway.

I disliked Palimpsest because it was so strange it didn’t even seem like it was set in the modern era or especially in NYC. It is probably the strangest episode of the entire L&O franchise. Not to mention the plot was pretty bonkers all around. It’s definitely one of the episodes I don’t care for. Season 9 was just so low energy though that the season is basically a snooze fest for the most part. 

I see one of the episodes that would make my list of least favorite episodes is coming up later on WE, Proud Flesh. I’m contemplating whether to watch some of it to try to make some sense of it or watch Mothership reruns on Sundance. 

[peacheslatour]

1 minute ago, Xeliou66 said:

I disliked Palimpsest because it was so strange it didn’t even seem like it was set in the modern era or especially in NYC. It is probably the strangest episode of the entire L&O franchise. Not to mention the plot was pretty bonkers all around. It’s definitely one of the episodes I don’t care for. Season 9 was just so low energy though that the season is basically a snooze fest for the most part. 

I see one of the episodes that would make my list of least favorite episodes is coming up later on WE, Proud Flesh. I’m contemplating whether to watch some of it to try to make some sense of it or watch Mothership reruns on Sundance. 

Lol, I've been going back and forth between Sundance, WE and POP. Paramount used to have Mothership but now it's on POP.

[peacheslatour]

16 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Lol, I've been going back and forth between Sundance, WE and POP. Paramount used to have Mothership but now it's on POP.

And to add, I just remembered it's on BBC America every Monday night, starting at 5 PM Pacific.

[Xeliou66]

Season 10 marathon on Sundance today - just watched The Consoler, very good episode, I liked all of the detective work from Goren/Eames in getting to the bottom of the case. No one was really sympathetic in this episode, and everyone was hiding something, it was a good case. I liked how Goren got the confession from Johnny, that was classic Goren. It was interesting how Goren and Hannah briefly clashed when Goren said “Joe don’t be a moron”, it showed that Goren was familiar with Hannah and it was interesting how Hannah had to tell him to respect him and to go to his mandated therapy sessions.

Watching Boots on the Ground now, this is another good episode, complex case with a lot of suspects and motives.

Season 10 was really a return to form for CI and I’m glad it went out on a strong note.

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Season 10 marathon on Sundance today - just watched The Consoler, very good episode, I liked all of the detective work from Goren/Eames in getting to the bottom of the case. No one was really sympathetic in this episode, and everyone was hiding something, it was a good case. I liked how Goren got the confession from Johnny, that was classic Goren. It was interesting how Goren and Hannah briefly clashed when Goren said “Joe don’t be a moron”, it showed that Goren was familiar with Hannah and it was interesting how Hannah had to tell him to respect him and to go to his mandated therapy sessions.

Watching Boots on the Ground now, this is another good episode, complex case with a lot of suspects and motives.

Season 10 was really a return to form for CI and I’m glad it went out on a strong note.

I love Season 10, as I have said. It was great to have G/E return after their hideous S9 exit. The cases were strong, and Goren got to have fun and SMILE again.

[Xeliou66]

37 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I love Season 10, as I have said. It was great to have G/E return after their hideous S9 exit. The cases were strong, and Goren got to have fun and SMILE again.

Yep, I have no idea who thought Goren/Eames season 9 exit was good, it was total crap. It’s great that they came back and that Goren regained his mojo, and the cases were good and a return to the classic CI formula. I also liked Joe Hannah as the squad leader, he was a breath of fresh air after the awful Ross and the wooden Callas. It was interesting how Goren called him by his first name, something he never did with previous captains. 

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yep, I have no idea who thought Goren/Eames season 9 exit was good, it was total crap. It’s great that they came back and that Goren regained his mojo, and the cases were good and a return to the classic CI formula. I also liked Joe Hannah as the squad leader, he was a breath of fresh air after the awful Ross and the wooden Callas. It was interesting how Goren called him by his first name, something he never did with previous captains. 

Yeah, Goren forced out with Eames having to do the firing - then quitting afterward - was not a good ending on any level, though I did like that Eames essentially chose loyalty to Goren (hence the episode title, maybe?) over the NYPD.

But I'm still very glad G/E got a do over with a better, more upbeat ending!

[peacheslatour]

I'm watching The Boy in the Blue Knit Cap. 

Goren to Eames - "Pants on fire?"

Eames (in her best Valley Girl) "Totally."

Edited April 25, 2023 by peacheslatour

[Shadow Lass]

Alas, been too busy the last two weeks on Thursdays and Fridays to see any LOCI, but last Saturday something totally unexpected happened. VDO did this short film, "Night of the Cooters," as part of a project George R.R. Martin is doing, and they showed the film at the Atlanta Film Festival on Saturday night, and Vincent and George were both there. Alas, no personal interaction, but got to take pictures and watch the film, which is wonderfully offbeat, and hear the Q&A afterwards. I could kick myself for not taking my good camera, but I didn't know what the setup would be. But this is a photo I got on my phone. (Don't laugh, but one of the pics I took was a photo of his hands. He has such lovely hands.)

 

 

Edited April 26, 2023 by Shadow Lass

[WendyCR72]

I am officially jealous, @Shadow Lass! Great picture. Thanks so much for sharing!

On another note, "Tru Luv", with Keith and his teacher/lover just ended, and the final scene of Logan telling Keith, "It's over" hits even sadder considering Anton Yelchin's life has been over now for around seven years (!) already. 😢

And doing the math, he really was a teen when that aired. He did a good job as Keith.

And now, "Siren Call" with Ashley the victim, blown off by everyone but her half sister, Emily, is airing.

ETA: The whole black outfit may be the reason, but VDO looks less bulky in that picture! (Though I don't much care; I like him either way. But he does look a tad thinner here.)

[WendyCR72]

On another note, speaking of "Siren Call", I always loved the opening scene of Bobby waiting for Eames at her shrink appointment. (And kind of funny to know Bobby had driven - since he was going to drop Eames off when they got the call about Ashley!)

I do wonder if part of the reason Eames did come back to the job so soon was for Bobby as much as herself. I do recall the episode where Eames explained to Ross how Bobby didn't cope well with change. And subconsciously, maybe she felt safer with Bobby ("I told her I wasn't getting any better by myself!"). Their relationship always had a sense of symbiosis to me. Meaning, each got something they needed from the other. That closeness seemed to stabilize both. (Again, shippers and non-shippers can interpret as they wish!)

Their dynamic has always fascinated me. On a funny note, I loved Bobby's reaction outside of the brownstone, knowing Eames wasn't going to back down, just handing over the keys and putting his hands up, like, "Okay, you win!"

[WendyCR72]

"Albatross" "Privilege" with the Pagolis drama just ended. I really do like that episode. Xander Berkeley is so...gleeful...playing the sleazy hubby, and the case was pretty good.

Also loved the very rare scene of G/E just chatting together over drinks, too.

Good all around.

[Xeliou66]

5 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Privilege" with the Pagolis drama just ended. I really do like that episode. Xander Berkeley is so...gleeful...playing the sleazy hubby, and the case was pretty good.

Also loved the very rare scene of G/E just chatting together over drinks, too.

Good all around.

Albatross is the name of the episode with the Pagolis drama. Privilege is the one before it, about the death of the socialite who was killed by her uncle to cover up the fact that the uncle killed her mother years earlier I believe. I like both episodes, I liked Goren telling the guy was who neglecting his elderly mother and not giving her proper care in Privilege to “sit down and shut up” and in Albatross I also liked the case with the Pagolis’ and Goren/Eames investigation. The 3 episode run of World’s Fair/Privilege/Albatross is the best of season 6. 

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Albatross is the name of the episode with the Pagolis drama. Privilege is the one before it, about the death of the socialite who was killed by her uncle to cover up the fact that the uncle killed her mother years earlier I believe. I like both episodes, I liked Goren telling the guy was who neglecting his elderly mother and not giving her proper care in Privilege to “sit down and shut up” and in Albatross I also liked the case with the Pagolis’ and Goren/Eames investigation. The 3 episode run of World’s Fair/Privilege/Albatross is the best of season 6. 

Damn, I know that. "Privilege" is with Lady Harrington. Another brain fart. My bad!

Corrected the previous brain fart accordingly! 😎

[WendyCR72]

Regarding "Albatross" (yay, correct title!) Bobby was right, though: If Maureen Pagolis wanted a political career sans scandals galore, she should have left her douchebag hubby. She had decades to do it. Maybe it's why I had little sympathy for her when it was uncovered that she knew about the plot to kill her husband.

I kind of hated how she seemed to be almost characterized as helpless regarding her fate, from Faith Yancy to her driver.

She had the means to exit regardless of her career. The fact that she never called hubby's bluff despite his threats just made her look dumb and weak.

Glad Alex seemed to drop her coddling nature towards Maureen by the end.

[peacheslatour]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Regarding "Albatross" (yay, correct title!) Bobby was right, though: If Maureen Pagolis wanted a political career sans scandals galore, she should have left her douchebag hubby. She had decades to do it. Maybe it's why I had little sympathy for her when it was uncovered that she knew about the plot to kill her husband.

I kind of hated how she seemed to be almost characterized as helpless regarding her fate, from Faith Yancy to her driver.

She had the means to exit regardless of her career. The fact that she never called hubby's bluff despite his threats just made her look dumb and weak.

Glad Alex seemed to drop her coddling nature towards Maureen by the end.

I agree. Her husband raped her FFS.

[Xeliou66]

Good season 1 episodes on today - I saw The Good Doctor, this is a really strong episode, with nasty control freak Dr Kelmer, I really like the investigation into the wife’s disappearance and how they dealt with Kelmer - I loved the court scenes, there were more court scenes in this one than in any other CI episode, and Carver was awesome in this one. The Goren/Eames investigation was good, and I liked how Goren got under Kelmer’s skin and was on to him from the start. Deakins had some good scenes as well. Very good episode, a straightforward case but really well done.

Watching The Third Horseman now, another strong episode, I like how Goren/Eames tracked down the shooter and figured out what his plan was. Carver did get on my nerves though, it seemed like he was letting his personal beliefs about abortion get in the way of him doing his job. About the only time in the show that Carver irritated me.

[peacheslatour]

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Good season 1 episodes on today - I saw The Good Doctor, this is a really strong episode, with nasty control freak Dr Kelmer, I really like the investigation into the wife’s disappearance and how they dealt with Kelmer - I loved the court scenes, there were more court scenes in this one than in any other CI episode, and Carver was awesome in this one. The Goren/Eames investigation was good, and I liked how Goren got under Kelmer’s skin and was on to him from the start. Deakins had some good scenes as well. Very good episode, a straightforward case but really well done.

Carver was awesome in this one and how about Goren? "Put me on the stand, I'll get him to talk."

[Xeliou66]

34 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Carver was awesome in this one and how about Goren? "Put me on the stand, I'll get him to talk."

Yeah I loved how Goren got under Kelmer’s skin, Goren knew how to get inside the perps heads, and this was a great example of that. I liked how Goren got Kelmer to agree to let them search his apartment. Kelmer was such a manipulator and a smug control freak who thought he could get away with it, very memorable villain, and it was an interesting investigation. The court scenes were great and I loved seeing Carver in court prosecuting, he was such an underused character. Deakins had good scenes as well in this one. This was really a great episode, more straightforward than most CI cases, but very well done and compelling. 

[peacheslatour]

3 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah I loved how Goren got under Kelmer’s skin, Goren knew how to get inside the perps heads, and this was a great example of that. I liked how Goren got Kelmer to agree to let them search his apartment. Kelmer was such a manipulator and a smug control freak who thought he could get away with it, very memorable villain, and it was an interesting investigation. The court scenes were great and I loved seeing Carver in court prosecuting, he was such an underused character. Deakins had good scenes as well in this one. This was really a great episode, more straightforward than most CI cases, but very well done and compelling. 

It's one of my favorites. Such strong performances from the whole cast. The Dr. was such a supercilious asshole "He's a civil servant! how tough can he be?"

[Xeliou66]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

It's one of my favorites. Such strong performances from the whole cast. The Dr. was such a supercilious asshole "He's a civil servant! how tough can he be?"

Yeah and it was creepy how controlling Kelmer was with his new girlfriend, demanding she get surgery and stuff to look “perfect”. Also he was very nasty to his wife’s family, yelling at them that he turned a shoe salesman’s daughter into a surgeon’s wife and didn’t get any thanks and blaming them for all her problems. Kelmer was one nasty, manipulative, egotistic villain, one of CI’s best. It’s one of my favorite CI episodes as well, really strong from start to finish. I really wish they had gone into court more often. 

[peacheslatour]

14 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah and it was creepy how controlling Kelmer was with his new girlfriend, demanding she get surgery and stuff to look “perfect”. Also he was very nasty to his wife’s family, yelling at them that he turned a shoe salesman’s daughter into a surgeon’s wife and didn’t get any thanks and blaming them for all her problems. Kelmer was one nasty, manipulative, egotistic villain, one of CI’s best. It’s one of my favorite CI episodes as well, really strong from start to finish. I really wish they had gone into court more often. 

So do I. Carver was excellent and there was no reason not to show more trials. It's called Law & Order, FFS.

[Xeliou66]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

So do I. Carver was excellent and there was no reason not to show more trials. It's called Law & Order, FFS.

Yeah, it’s really a shame how underused Carver was, and then especially how they dropped the legal side entirely pretty much after Carver left. Carver was such a good character that I always enjoyed when he got more to work with. I loved seeing the trial in The Good Doctor. It was a really well done episode.

I just finished watching another episode with a creepy doctor, Crazy, with Dr Webb and Sara, that’s a great episode as well. I loved seeing Skoda assist them with the case. Good investigation and Webb was a memorable perp. No one was sympathetic or likable except for the kids in that one. And I’ve never really been able to figure out why Sara Lindstrom was stringing along Webb, she clearly wasn’t interested in him. 

[peacheslatour]

10 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Yeah, it’s really a shame how underused Carver was, and then especially how they dropped the legal side entirely pretty much after Carver left. Carver was such a good character that I always enjoyed when he got more to work with. I loved seeing the trial in The Good Doctor. It was a really well done episode.

I just finished watching another episode with a creepy doctor, Crazy, with Dr Webb and Sara, that’s a great episode as well. I loved seeing Skoda assist them with the case. Good investigation and Webb was a memorable perp. No one was sympathetic or likable except for the kids in that one. And I’ve never really been able to figure out why Sara Lindstrom was stringing along Webb, she clearly wasn’t interested in him. 

I guess after she found out he was a murderer and he threatened he, she was kind of stuck.

[WendyCR72]

"The Good Doctor" was a good episode, but I was with Alex at the end; he was convicted because the jury didn't like him (for good reason). But this was the epitome of a circumstantial case.

The evidence really wasn't there.

But hey, a killer was still tossed in prison, so... *shrug*

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

"The Good Doctor" was a good episode, but I was with Alex at the end; he was convicted because the jury didn't like him (for good reason). But this was the epitome of a circumstantial case.

The evidence really wasn't there.

But hey, a killer was still tossed in prison, so... *shrug*

Plenty of murder cases have been tried based solely on circumstantial evidence - and the case in The Good Doctor was very closely based on a real murder case of a plastic surgeon who murdered his wife in their Manhattan apartment and threw her remains in the ocean while flying his plane, and he was convicted despite them never finding the body. So this episode was ripped very closely from the headlines. It’s one of my favorite CI season 1 episodes, the investigation is really strong and Goren and Carver both have some great scenes in it, it’s more straightforward than most CI cases but really well done.

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Plenty of murder cases have been tried based solely on circumstantial evidence - and the case in The Good Doctor was very closely based on a real murder case of a plastic surgeon who murdered his wife in their Manhattan apartment and threw her remains in the ocean while flying his plane, and he was convicted despite them never finding the body. So this episode was ripped very closely from the headlines. It’s one of my favorite CI season 1 episodes, the investigation is really strong and Goren and Carver both have some great scenes in it, it’s more straightforward than most CI cases but really well done.

Well said.

[WendyCR72]

18 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Plenty of murder cases have been tried based solely on circumstantial evidence - and the case in The Good Doctor was very closely based on a real murder case of a plastic surgeon who murdered his wife in their Manhattan apartment and threw her remains in the ocean while flying his plane, and he was convicted despite them never finding the body. So this episode was ripped very closely from the headlines. It’s one of my favorite CI season 1 episodes, the investigation is really strong and Goren and Carver both have some great scenes in it, it’s more straightforward than most CI cases but really well done.

Thanks for explaining the real case it was ripped from!

Well, if similar circumstances occurred in the real case, who am I to quibble about the outcome in the fictional version? 😊

The last episode in today's Sundance marathon? "Maledictus", starring creepy Kenny and Martha, and the one of the Durst re-tellings in the franchise we had discussed!

[Xeliou66]

59 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Thanks for explaining the real case it was ripped from!

Well, if similar circumstances occurred in the real case, who am I to quibble about the outcome in the fictional version? 😊

The last episode in today's Sundance marathon? "Maledictus", starring creepy Kenny and Martha, and the one of the Durst re-tellings in the franchise we had discussed!

An interesting note about the real case - the doctor in it confessed to the murder of his wife a couple of years ago at his parole hearing. He’s still incarcerated at Sing Sing though. The Good Doctor is one of the stories ripped most closely from the headlines on any L&O, usually they put some twists on it to make it somewhat different from the real case, this one was ripped from the headlines almost verbatim.

Maledictus is a weird episode, Kenny and Martha’s relationship was really creepy. As I’ve always said I think the poison method that Kenny used to kill his mom was very sophisticated for a young child. 

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Maledictus is a weird episode, Kenny and Martha’s relationship was really creepy. As I’ve always said I think the poison method that Kenny used to kill his mom was very sophisticated for a young child. 

Yes, Eloise Strick was poisoned. So when Goren was reviewing photos of the crime scene, I didn't understand just why she had blood all over her.

[Xeliou66]

5 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Yes, Eloise Strick was poisoned. So when Goren was reviewing photos of the crime scene, I didn't understand just why she had blood all over her.

I’ve never thought of that - that is weird. I’ve always just thought that using poison was a very sophisticated murder method for a 10 year old. Still a good episode with a memorable perp and a good plot.

[WendyCR72]

7 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve never thought of that - that is weird. I’ve always just thought that using poison was a very sophisticated murder method for a 10 year old. Still a good episode with a memorable perp and a good plot.

Was he 10? I thought he was younger. *shrug*

As for the blood, perhaps she vomited it up? But besides her face, it was on her arm/hand, so...no idea. LOL!

Oh, well.

[WendyCR72]

"Depths" is in the middle of airing on WE now with pre-SVU Kelli Giddish. And I will be shallow again and reiterate that Bobby/VDO looked great there, with the tan and shadow of a beard, etc. 😋

Okay, the case was good, too.

[Shadow Lass]

18 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

As for the blood, perhaps she vomited it up? But besides her face, it was on her arm/hand, so...no idea. LOL

I have no idea how ant poison works, but perhaps it works a little like warfarin, which is in rat poison, and thins your blood so you bleed everywhere? Or she threw up blood and it went everywhere as she was staggering and falling?

I think Kenny, being ten, thought, aw, this little bit of powder will just irritate her stomach and she'll vomit.

[peacheslatour]

35 minutes ago, Shadow Lass said:

I have no idea how ant poison works, but perhaps it works a little like warfarin, which is in rat poison, and thins your blood so you bleed everywhere? Or she threw up blood and it went everywhere as she was staggering and falling?

I think Kenny, being ten, thought, aw, this little bit of powder will just irritate her stomach and she'll vomit.

Rat poison has warfarin it it???

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Rat poison has warfarin it it???

No, I think they were saying maybe the effect of the rat poison was like Warfarin, and maybe she vomited blood and just started bleeding. As in, maybe her blood thinned as a result of the poisoning.

[Shadow Lass]

On 4/26/2023 at 2:05 AM, WendyCR72 said:

ETA: The whole black outfit may be the reason, but VDO looks less bulky in that picture! (Though I don't much care; I like him either way. But he does look a tad thinner here.)

No, he has lost weight; it showed if you saw him full face. While I agree on "I like him either way," I'm sure it's better for his health. Goodness knows I wish I had that discipline!

His mom died a few days ago. Brings back all the memories of when I lost mine. 😔

I am sad there is no LOCI on WE tomorrow (5/5). Instead there's Mama June all day. 🤢🤮

22 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Rat poison has warfarin it it???

That's how it kills the rats; it thins the blood so they start to bleed internally.

Our friend Daniel, who had a heart attack, was given too much warfarin afterwards and ended up with a brain bleed. Thank goodness his wife called 911 immediately. So happy doctor put my husband on Brilinta instead.

Edited May 4, 2023 by Shadow Lass

[peacheslatour]

I was freaked for a minute because my dad was on Warfarin for a while. He's not now, they have him on something else.

[WendyCR72]

Sad for VDO losing his mother. He said she was the reason he took the role of Bobby Goren, since he felt guilty that most of his prior roles his mom would watch were him playing bad guys.

I lost my own mom five years ago. The hole never leaves, but you learn to go on.

Didn't know the Friday marathon was preempted. And for that mess. UGH. Listings have the Friday edition of the WE marathon back next week, albeit S9 by then (since the show, besides Thursdays, airs late at night/early in the morning a few times a week in terms of cycling through!).

At least there were good episodes today, i.e. "Vanishing Act". I do love seeing Bobby so happy in that one.

[Shadow Lass]

On 5/4/2023 at 6:13 PM, peacheslatour said:

I was freaked for a minute because my dad was on Warfarin for a while. He's not now, they have him on something else.

Thank goodness! That stuff is scary.

[peacheslatour]

16 minutes ago, Shadow Lass said:

Thank goodness! That stuff is scary.

It was terrible. He was covered in bruises.

[WendyCR72]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

It was terrible. He was covered in bruises.

Hope he is doing better now!

[peacheslatour]

4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Hope he is doing better now!

Thank you, yes.

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

Thank you, yes.

Good! 😊

Ah, WE has a mini CI marathon on now. "Last Rites". "Frame" is next. And for the true night owls, "Playing Dead" after that to round it out!

 

[ML89]

Just watched Weeping Willow again (with Michelle T aka Dawn from Buffy) and wow, it's pretty prescient about where online content and live streaming has ended up, even if it's "YouLens."

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, ML89 said:

Just watched Weeping Willow again (with Michelle T aka Dawn from Buffy) and wow, it's pretty prescient about where online content and live streaming has ended up, even if it's "YouLens."

Right, the episode where the late Larry King made a cameo. Weird episode, though.

[Xeliou66]

Two really strange season 9 episodes were on last night in The Mobster Will See You Now and Palimpsest. I can’t figure either of them out - in Mobster Will See You Now, who actually killed the guy and staged it to look like he choked? Was it the guy who confessed at the end or someone else? And what was the problem with the prosecutor who almost got into a fistfight with Nichols?! Talk about an unprofessional jackass. I couldn’t figure out what his angle was though and why he was such a dick. There were too many suspects and not enough detective work in that one as well, I found it confusing. 
And Palimpsest was just bonkers from start to finish, where was that mansion the crime took place in even located? The whole thing didn’t feel like CI at all, and everyone acted so oddly. 
Season 9 had some really weird stuff, and it didn’t help that the detectives were so low key that it made the episodes dull, Stevens and Callas had no personality. 

[peacheslatour]

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And Palimpsest was just bonkers from start to finish, where was that mansion the crime took place in even located? The whole thing didn’t feel like CI at all, and everyone acted so oddly. 

I love that episode. I know they completely lost focus that season and this episode is written like some Christie fan fic writer just popped in and wrote that.

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I love that episode. I know they completely lost focus that season and this episode is written like some Christie fan fic writer just popped in and wrote that.

Yeah I know you are one of the handful who like Palimpsest, I have to disagree. It was so strange that it felt like it was taking place in another universe. Having a show set in NYC have an episode take place in some massive mansion that looked like it was far away from the city was weird enough, and the way the characters acted, the stuff with Nichols in England, and the case itself, it was just all bonkers. 
I like a few of season 9 episodes, True Legacy is my favorite, but some were just bizarre, Palimpsest being the most notable, with Mobster Will See You Now right behind it.