Guest August 3, 2017 Share August 3, 2017 I just realized I said to drop to voting against 2 and then voted against 3. @Only Zola followed my lead. Please edit your post, or I can automatically drop off the vote for Bad Moon Rising. Sorry! @Bastet, I also hate the knife storyline. "Girls can't use a knife, so here you go!" But I love the Shibboleth storyline and the turkeys. Link to comment
Zola August 3, 2017 Share August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, deaja said: I just realized I said to drop to voting against 2 and then voted against 3. @Only Zola followed my lead. Please edit your post, or I can automatically drop off the vote for Bad Moon Rising. Sorry! @Bastet, I also hate the knife storyline. "Girls can't use a knife, so here you go!" But I love the Shibboleth storyline and the turkeys. thanks for the heads-up. Just need to decide which one to keep....Hmmmmm Link to comment
Melancholy August 3, 2017 Share August 3, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bastet said: Shibboleth - I held off on this one because of the turkeys, but I loathe with the heat of a nova the knife storyline, so it's time. ("This has been in my family for hundreds of years, but I only have daughters, so enough of that." And instead of just giving you a gift and asking you to go find me a new knife [and tell you what damn knife I want], I'm going to send you off on some ridiculous quest while I sit back and amuse myself by watching you waste your time on my orders.) Jed never said that he was giving the knife to Charlie because he only had daughters. You're projecting that on him. In the old New England Bartlet family, there are likely a ton of heirlooms and the girls will inherit a large estate. After Charlie was nearly lynched because he associates with the Bartlet family, it's nice to give Charlie an heirloom. Bartlet did say that fathers passed it down in his family but that's just facts. It's not Bartlet saying that he chose to not give the knife to his own progeny because he happened to have girls. As for the errands, Jed was being particular for a purpose. He needed a new carving knife. Since he's president, he can't be particular on his own time and go from store to store. Everything is delivered to him. When people buy important household items meant to last, they go to stores to test them out. Jed would need to hold the knife to test out what he wants. Especially because he's not a "scour the Internet for reviews" kind of guy and he was even less expected to be that way in 1999 and again, as the President. I'm an Internet-shopper and I still visit multiple stores when buying these expensive homeware for holidays goods. At Thanksgiving, you need a beautiful but also excellent carving knife or you look like the idiot that can't carve and your guests get irritated. This project was absolutely Charlie's job as bodyman and Charlie didn't need to know at the beginning that he'd get a gift out of it, I definitely defend Jed on this one. Edited August 3, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Bastet August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Melancholy said: Jed never said that he was giving the knife to Charlie because he only had daughters. You're projecting that on him. Of course I am. If he had a son instead of all daughters, would he still have given it to Charlie to honor their special relationship, or would he have kept it in the family per tradition and bestowed something else on Charlie? We don't know, but I don't think he would, and I think that stinks. Thus my vote. Link to comment
Guest August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 Shibboleth is out. I'm a little sad. :( Then we have a three-way tie even with the tie-breaker! So we will eliminate all three. The Leadership Breakfast, In This White House (which introduced Ainsley, one of my favorite characters!), and 17 People (which is actually one of my top three from this season!). Please continue to vote against 2! 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 5) And It's Surely to Their Credit 10) Noel 13) Bartlet's Third State of the Union 19) Bad Moon Rising 20) The Fall's Gonna Kill You 21) 18th and Potomac 22) Two Cathedrals Link to comment
Melancholy August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 And It's Surely To Their Credit Bartlet's Third State of the Union Link to comment
Zola August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 5) And It's Surely to Their Credit 19) Bad Moon Rising Link to comment
PeterPirate August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 (edited) Hard to believe 17 People went out. As far as I know it's the only episode with its own website. 5, 19 Edited August 4, 2017 by PeterPirate Link to comment
Bastet August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 17 People was next on my list because C.J. isn't in it. This season's choices are all about minor flaws in excellent episodes for me. I can't quite decide yet on today's votes; I need to go refresh my memory via detailed summaries. Link to comment
Bastet August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 (edited) The Fall's Going to Kill You - Because, on my death bed, it will still bother me that C.J. - the one who is going to be the hottest seat other than Jed's, when every single news network assigns an intern to pull up every briefing in which she's ever said anything that remotely relates to the president's health and then runs them on an endless loop, looking to catch her aiding in deception - is told almost last, and told by Leo, not Jed himself. Bartlet's Third State of the Union - For the horrible grammar in Sam and C.J.'s otherwise fantastic bathrobe exchange? Because both C.J. and Ainsley sat in wet paint despite the signs in the first place? I don't know, I have to pick something to go and I don't seem to be ready to vote for any of the others yet. Edited August 4, 2017 by Bastet Link to comment
Melancholy August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 (edited) I voted for 17 People for the last 2 rounds because CJ's not in it and having a whole storyline about "finding the funny" at the friggin White House Correspondents Dinner just highlighted her absence even more. Jeez, I get that Allison Janney was filming The Hours and I'm happy for it because I liked that movie. But write a less CJ storyline if she's absent or I'll wonder what she'd do if she was around. I also find the Josh/Donna story boring. And UO but I'm generally turned off by OTT martyr declarations of "If you were in an accident, I wouldn't stop for red lights" especially when Donna already has a martyr servile role. So I don't see the magic there. Edited August 4, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Bastet August 4, 2017 Share August 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Melancholy said: I also find the Josh/Donna story boring. And UO but I'm generally turned off by OTT martyr declarations of "If you were in an accident, I wouldn't stop for red lights" especially when Donna already has a martyr servile role. So I don't see the magic there. Oh, I had forgotten that stupid "when is the anniversary of her coming to work for him" argument/"I wouldn't stop for red lights" declaration was in that one. I might have voted for it sooner than planned had I remembered. Link to comment
Guest August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 And It's Surely to Their Credit and Bad Moon Rising are gone! Please vote for 1. Rank the other to use as a tie-breaker please! This is our second to last round. 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 10) Noel 13) Bartlet's Third State of the Union 20) The Fall's Gonna Kill You 21) 18th and Potomac 22) Two Cathedrals Link to comment
Guest August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 Voting against Two Cathedrals. Ranking the rest: (favorite to least favorite) 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen 2) 18 and Potomac 3) Bartlet's Third State of the Union 4) Noel 5) The Falls Gonna Kill You Other than Two Cathedrals, which I'm not fond of, I find the remaining episodes to all be so strong! It was hard to order them! Link to comment
Zola August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 Voting out 20) The Fall's Gonna Kill You 1) Noel 2) 18th and Potomac 3) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen 4) Two Cathedrals 5) Bartlet's Third State of the Union Link to comment
Melancholy August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 (edited) Voting out Bartlet's Third State of the Union 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen 2) Two Cathedrals 3) Noel 4) The Fall's Gonna Kill You 5) 18th and the Potomac Edited August 5, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Bastet August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 @Melancholy, you have Two Cathedrals listed twice; one of them was meant to be 18th and Potomac. Voting out: The Fall's Gonna Kill You Ranking the rest: In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 18th and Potomac Two Cathedrals Bartlet's Third State of the Union Noel Link to comment
Kohola3 August 5, 2017 Share August 5, 2017 Voting out: Falls Favorite to least: 18th Noel Shadow Cathedrals Thirst State Link to comment
Guest August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 The Falls Going to Kill You is out. Final round! Four will move on to the finals, but to determine a winner, please vote for one to be eliminated and then rank the others! 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 10) Noel 13) Bartlet's Third State of the Union 21) 18th and Potomac 22) Two Cathedrals Link to comment
Guest August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 Two Cathedrals for elimination. For the rest: 1 10 13 21 Link to comment
Zola August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 Voting out "13) Bartlet's Third State of the Union" 1) Noel 2) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 3) Two Cathedrals 4) 18th and Potomac Link to comment
Kohola3 August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 Voting out: Third State Favorite to least: 18th Noel Shadow Cathedrals Link to comment
Melancholy August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 (edited) Voting out 18th and the Potomac 1) In the Shadow of Two Gunmen 2) Two Cathedrals 3) Noel 4) Bartlett third state Edited August 6, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Bastet August 6, 2017 Share August 6, 2017 Voting out: Bartlet's Third State of the Union Ranking the rest: 1. In the Shadow of Two Gunmen (Parts 1 and 2) 2. Two Cathedrals 3. 18th and Potomac 4. Noel That was hard. Shadow is my winner, definitely, but all of the others were contenders for being voted out of the top four. They're all so close together in my ranking. Link to comment
Guest August 8, 2017 Share August 8, 2017 Bartlet's Third State of the Union is out. Season 2 Winner is.... In the Shadow of Two Gunmen! The standings for the others are 2) 18th and Potomac and then a tie for third place between 3) Two Cathedrals and 3) Noel I will try to post Season 3 today, but I am away from a computer which makes it harder! Link to comment
Guest August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Season 3 begins! Vote against 3. 1. Isaac and Ishmael 2. Manchester (Part 1) 3. Manchester (Part 2) 4. Ways and Means 5. On the Day Before 6. War Crimes 7. Gone Quiet 8. The Indians in the Lobby 9. The Women of Qumar 10. Bartlet For America 11. H.CON - 172 12. 100,000 Airplanes 13. The Two Bartlets 14. Night Five 15.Hartsfield's Landing 16. Dead Irish Writers 17. The U.S. Poet Laureate 18. Stirred 19. Documentary Special 20. Enemies Foreign and Domestic 21. The Black Vera Wang 22. We Killed Yamamoto 23. Posse Comitatus Link to comment
Guest August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Isaac and Ishmael Hartsfield's Landing as I hate this episode for a really stupid reason Documentary Special Link to comment
Bastet August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Isaac and Ishmael Isaac and Ishmael Isaac and Ishmael No? Okay: Isaac and Ishmael (a steaming pile of ignorant, offensive crap) Posse Comitatus (stupid Simon Donovan storyline, plus covert assassination) Documentary Special (I liked this fine, but it doesn't stack up against the episodes) Link to comment
Guest August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Bastet said: Isaac and Ishmael Isaac and Ishmael Isaac and Ishmael I was tempted to vote this way as well. ;) Link to comment
Zola August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 1. Isaac and Ishmael 20. Enemies Foreign and Domestic 23. Posse Comitatus (I am not aware of the "Documentary Special" for this season? Was it about the show itself, or just another variation of "Access"?) Link to comment
Bastet August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, Only Zola said: (I am not aware of the "Documentary Special" for this season? Was it about the show itself, or just another variation of "Access"?) No, it was a documentary about real people who'd held these various White House jobs - how their experiences were reflected (or not) on the show (and thus maybe shouldn't even be part of the voting, but it aired during season three, so we'll vote it off and carry on). It was done to commemorate the 100th episode, I think, and aired near the end of the season. It contained comments from presidents Carter, Bush, and Clinton, and members of their administrations (plus a couple dating back to Nixon, Ford, and/or Reagan). Link to comment
Zola August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Thanks - I don't think it aired here in the UK, and neither was it included in the TWW box set. Link to comment
Melancholy August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 I think the Documentary Special is on YouTube. I liked it but I prefer an actual ep. So Documentary Special Isaac & Ishmael- I don't even hate this ep. I dont hate any ep from S1-4. And I get why Sorkin felt he had to start with a 9/11 ep instead of the series proper. But it was cobbled together and then ultimately superficial. Night Five: I find Jed's therapy boring. Jed in therapy is a great concept but the show never went anywhere new with his character. The Sam/Ainsley sexual harassment story had some really funny lines and I love Rob Lowe's and Emily Proctor's chemistry. But it's actually the most obnoxious instance of Sorkin writing a straw man storyline to hit back at his critics. In a similar vein, Donna's high-paid bid to work at a D.C. gossip site just feels like one of those times Donna was fluffed by some little going nowhere story to compensate for how she's the butt of jokes all other times. Link to comment
Kohola3 August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, Melancholy said: Isaac & Ishmael- I don't even hate this ep. I dont hate any ep from S1-4. And I get why Sorkin felt he had to start with a 9/11 ep instead of the series proper. But it was cobbled together and then ultimately superficial. I agree. And at the time it seemed appropriate and timely (addressing the horror instead of chugging along as though nothing had happened) but it's much easier to hate it knowing now what we didn't know then. I'm not sure any other series show did anything like that. Link to comment
Guest August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Only Zola said: Thanks - I don't think it aired here in the UK, and neither was it included in the TWW box set. I almost didn't include it in the game as it isn't truly an episode, but it is listed as part of the season and included in the Netflix season. Ultimately, I found it boring and have never finished watching it. Link to comment
Melancholy August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kohola3 said: I agree. And at the time it seemed appropriate and timely (addressing the horror instead of chugging along as though nothing had happened) but it's much easier to hate it knowing now what we didn't know then. I'm not sure any other series show did anything like that. Yes. And even now, it has stuff going for it. Like the profits from the ep being donated to relief charities. I liked the cast just announcing the premise of the ep, but completely in character. The actor who played the Muslim computer specialist was talented. Charlie's analysis of poverty leading to gangs felt earned. I enjoyed the twist of CJ venerating spies when her job is to control information and I think it foreshadows how she conducted herself as COS and she had some good zingers. I have actually used Toby's whole "Everyone should go. Except restaurants that make pizza and steak. But wait, I also like mixing it up with Chinese and Japanese food...ok you can all stay but I was this close to banishing you" in quite a few dark moments of mine. Edited August 9, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Guest August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Goodbye, Isaac and Ishmael, Documentary Special, and Posse Comitatus! Vote against 3. 2. Manchester (Part 1) 3. Manchester (Part 2) 4. Ways and Means 5. On the Day Before 6. War Crimes 7. Gone Quiet 8. The Indians in the Lobby 9. The Women of Qumar 10. Bartlet For America 11. H.CON - 172 12. 100,000 Airplanes 13. The Two Bartlets 14. Night Five 15.Hartsfield's Landing 16. Dead Irish Writers 17. The U.S. Poet Laureate 18. Stirred 20. Enemies Foreign and Domestic 21. The Black Vera Wang 22. We Killed Yamamoto Link to comment
Bastet August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 Night Five - Sorkin's straw man defense against people pointing out the sexism in his shows, that does nothing more than confirm he just doesn't get it, is painful to endure Hartsfield's Landing - I don't enjoy the prank war The Black Vera Wang - I hate the C.J./Simon Donovan stuff Link to comment
Melancholy August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 (edited) Night Five: For reasons stated The Two Bartlets: I like Amy but the Tahiti/"how 'bout dem apples" is some weird courtship. It's aggressively quirky but also dark and grim. The UFO crackpot wasn't funny enough to be brought back a second time. (Now the Wolves Only Roadway crackpots or the Cartographers for Social Equality....they were funny enough for a reprise). And maybe this is an UO, but I didn't get enough buildup to push Toby to start having an intervention with the President about his child abuse in the Oval Office in a very blunt, harsh, familiar way. Even CJ's butter artwork speech can't save this one Stirred: I like the Hoynes plot. But this ep is so slow that Hoynes stuff takes up all the substance in the ep. Then, there's just a dull story about trucks crashing, a very cute story about Charlie's taxes, and a very annoying story about Donna, yet again, trying to use the Presidency to grant her some clearly inappropriate personal favor. Really differing opinions. I think these are the clear losers. I love the Manchesters and I like Hartsfield Landing a lot. Edited August 9, 2017 by Melancholy Link to comment
Kohola3 August 9, 2017 Share August 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Melancholy said: Cartographers for Social Equality Loved them! I really had to sit down and think about their whole presentation. Who knew a map would be so thought-provoking? Link to comment
Zola August 10, 2017 Share August 10, 2017 13. The Two Bartlets 14. Night Five 21. The Black Vera Wang Link to comment
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