Barely Cloaked Anticipation

[Meredith Quill]

Anticipate Here!

[starri]

There's like a 0% chance that Kingpin could show up here, right?

[Kromm]

Cloak and Dagger are adjacent to the Marvel street level characters, without really BEING street level characters... so... maybe.

But really... not. There's a contractual thing keeping the Netflix characters exclusive in their box, the ABC characters in their box. Freeform is an ABC channel.

A better question is if we'll see any of the regular ABC characters on the Freeform show... since it's Cable ABC and not normal ABC.

[johntfs]

If Disney buys Netflix it could happen.

I'll note that there's been a lot of coordination/integration between the ABC shows and the cinematic universe.  I see no reason why Cloak and Dagger wouldn't be folded into all that.

Edited February 11, 2017 by johntfs

[starri]

29 minutes ago, johntfs said:

If Disney buys Netflix it could happen.

That seems like a more remote possibility.  Disney already owns a third of Hulu, and Marvel just announced Runaways will be popping up there at some point in the future (with a really awesome cast).  

I bring it up only because Kingpin had a pretty big part in their backstory, but with the characters transplanted to New Orleans, it probably doesn't make logistical sense.

[johntfs]

Well, their origin story dealt with Silvermane and the Maggia/Mafia, so there really doesn't need to be a need to involve the Kingpin.

[Oscirus]

Another interesting question is if we'll get a Spiderman appearance. Especially, given their history with him.

[Raja]

4 hours ago, Oscirus said:

Another interesting question is if we'll get a Spiderman appearance. Especially, given their history with him.

I wouldn't hold out hope for that. Perhaps like the  Agents shows a minor character from the movies will make a couple of appearances and the TV show will do a one sided linking to the movies plot lines.

 

As a fresh series without the SHIELD link to The  Avengers they might be able to link up with the Netflix Defenders along with the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D if it survives 

[Kromm]

17 hours ago, Oscirus said:

Another interesting question is if we'll get a Spiderman appearance. Especially, given their history with him.

Despite the fact that we SHOULD, I am fairly confident we WON'T.

They may have huge history with him, but it's nothing that can't (and won't) simply be ignored or tossed on a different hero, since its more interesting/cool than it is essential to their story.

[starri]

Between this and Runaways, you think we could convince them to do a Power Pack cartoon for Disney XD?

[Oscirus]

4 hours ago, Kromm said:

Despite the fact that we SHOULD, I am fairly confident we WON'T.

They may have huge history with him, but it's nothing that can't (and won't) simply be ignored or tossed on a different hero, since its more interesting/cool than it is essential to their story.

It seems with the new spiderman/marvel deal, that giving the spiderman actor a guest spot wouldn't be that hard. Especially since he's not all that famous yet and they're now the same age.

But yea, I suspect this comic will live in it's own world.

[Raja]

22 hours ago, Oscirus said:

It seems with the new spiderman/marvel deal, that giving the spiderman actor a guest spot wouldn't be that hard. Especially since he's not all that famous yet and they're now the same age.

But yea, I suspect this comic will live in it's own world.

That's not the problem. "It's all connected" is the problem. Anything a major Spider-Man or any movie MCU character does on the TV shows then must be adhered to by the movie director or the premise of the linked universe takes a hit. And too many hits then Captain Marvel doesn't really exist with Tony Stark and Iron-Man in the ticket buyers mind because each director did his own thing no matter what previous directors did then the audience might be lighter as happened with the continued rebooting of the X-Men movies.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Raja

[starri]

If they feel the need to include the Spider-Man portion of the backstory, they'd just sub in a lower-profile character, like Jessica Jones did Trish Walker for Captain Marvel.

[Oscirus]

More casting news:

Andrea Roth (Rescue Me, Blue Bloods) as Melissa Bowen, Tandy's mom.
Gloria Reuben (ER, Mr. Robot) as Adina Johnson, Tyrone's mother.
Miles Mussenden (Bloodline, Queen Sugar) as Tyrone's father, Michael Johnson.
Carl Lundstedt (Grey's Anatomy, Conviction) as Liam, a townie who operates as Tandy's partner in crime while moonlighting as her boyfriend.
James Saito (Life of Pi) as Dr. Bernard Sanjo, an emotional cornerstone in Tyrone's life.
J.D. Evermore (True Detective, The Walking Dead) as Detective Connors, described as "a contradiction of a man embracing an intimidating persona that overcompensates for a secret he keeps close to the vest."

[Kromm]

Freeform is not a channel known for insisting on good actors, and I consider the backstory of Cloak and Dagger to require some good acting, so it will be interesting to see if these two main actors can really stand up to these roles.

Olivia Holt's Disney-Centric previous experience is not exactly encouraging. I admit I haven't seen any of the shows she's been on, however. Her one relevant bit of experience is that she apparently did voice acting for 2 episodes of the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, playing a gender-flipped version of Peter Parker named Petra Parker.  

I imagine that's how she came to the attention of the casting agents more than Disney simply having a pretty obvious "in" (because they have the same parent company) with Marvel Studios.

At least she seems to be able to actually sing live, unlike some Disney products (not that singing is part of Dagger's story, as far as I recall...), It's a crap song, but her voice is competent:

 

Aubrey Joseph seems to only have a few TV movies/guest star appearances under his belt, and nothing else. So he's a fairly unknown quantity too. Cloak has to come off as fairly creepy, yet also compelling at the same time. It's a tough ask, and might take an even better actor than Dagger's role (which I think mainly takes a combination of vulnerability and spunkiness). Although Joseph WAS in this thing, which Previously covered.

[feverfew]

I've never read Cloak & Dagger - is it YA in the comics in the vein of every other Freeform show (aka Pretty Little Liars/Shadowhunters) or are they just transplanting them into that form?

As for integration between tv shows and the cinematic universe, I think @Rajas got it right, unfortunately. Although I can't for the life of me figure out why, if Kevin Feige is as micromanaging as he's made out be in the media.

[starri]

4 hours ago, feverfew said:

I've never read Cloak & Dagger - is it YA in the comics in the vein of every other Freeform show (aka Pretty Little Liars/Shadowhunters) or are they just transplanting them into that form?

I guess in the sense that it's about a pair of teenagers with special powers, but that describes a lot Marvel comics.  But they were introduced in the early 80s, which was well before YA existed in its present form.  And their early stories were REALLY dark.  Tyrone ran away from home because he was unable to prevent his friend from being shot by the police in front of his eyes.

If they were introducing it today, yes, it would be a YA story aimed at tweens.

[Raja]

4 hours ago, feverfew said:

I've never read Cloak & Dagger - is it YA in the comics in the vein of every other Freeform show (aka Pretty Little Liars/Shadowhunters) or are they just transplanting them into that form?

As for integration between tv shows and the cinematic universe, I think @Rajas got it right, unfortunately. Although I can't for the life of me figure out why, if Kevin Feige is as micromanaging as he's made out be in the media.

Well he doesn’t have to micro manage, that Marvel will jump in for story elements is enough to cause big name directors to balk. Most famously in the case of the director who was developing Ant-Man and left with just writing credits. The director traditionally being THE MAN in movies while Feige is serving like a show runner of a serialized TV program and not the producer finding money for the director. Since the movie was partially set in the period after Captain America went into the ice and before Tony Stark announced himself as Iron-Man,  we had that period before vigilante superheroes. As a history piece it could screw up plans like Captain America The First Avenger gave us a colorblind America and they had to try to pivot and make race a relevant factor in Agent Carter’s second season. Still giving the past Luke Cage or an interracial Cloak & Dagger couple are not as dramatically powerful as it would have been if their parents and grandparents had dealt with Jim Crow and segregation.

 He, Feige has been really successful, except for the fan of MCU TV when The Avengers Age of Ultron gave us a world where the Avengers had assumed Captain America’s WWII mission and was running down Hydra bases when the show gave us two years of the remnants of SHIELD fighting a small dirty war with Hydra

[Chicago Redshirt]

Went to an advanced screening tonight. Even with a gazillion superhero shows these days, I think I will make time to watch.