Big Brother: Over The Top, Week 4 (10/19/2016 - 10/25/2016)

[leocadia]

Scott is scaring me....and probably racking up votes from America.  Stop it Scott.

[Lady Calypso]

Whitney's been called to DR to get the results as host. Perfect; 10 more minutes until Morgan's win is announced...or Scott's, because if they call Morgan's first buzzer as her starting point, then Scott might have won.

I bet production is debating, trying to decide if Morgan won or not.

Edited October 25, 2016 by Lady Calypso

[DAngelus]

Whitney's been called to the DR, because as host, she'll be the one to reveal the results/give Morgan the necklace, so they're prepping her.  Should be soon, now.

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if they call Morgan's first buzzer as her starting point, then Scott might have won.

Wait, what?  I was sure they were going from Morgan's first air horn.  I didn't pay as close attention as I did on the later iterations, but I didn't know this was even an issue.  Huh.

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[Lamb18]

1 hour ago, DAngelus said:

People are already saying this in the chat.  If I was paying for All Access, I'd be down with it.  

Amazing that Danielle is now getting a pass over her.  Perhaps she's realized that she does better when she's not talking, hence the excessive naps.

I pay for All Access so Kryssie's already on my Have Not list. I think it's time for Justin to have a turn and Danielle can enjoy another week on Slop. I have to see who wins HOH and who gets nominated before making a decision about who to nominate. Feedback is welcome! I enjoy reading you guys's comments. I'm out of town with only my work laptop and I can't watch feeds on it, so thanks for keeping me updated on what's going on.

[DAngelus]

Rewatching Morgan's attempt now.  Seems to only 13 seconds between the horns and she beat Scott by 17 seconds (as I have it), so it shouldn't be an issue.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, DAngelus said:

Wait, what?  I was sure they were going from Morgan's first air horn.  I didn't pay as close attention as I did on the later iterations, but I didn't know this was even an issue.  Huh.

If they go by Morgan's second air horn, then her time would be 8:40 or so. If they go by her first air horn, her time would still be under nine minutes, but much closer to Scott's time. It's entirely possible that he could have won. But it all depends on the timing that Big Brother has, because our timing could be slightly off of theirs.

4 cams on Scott. Half of Twitter is displeased. 

[DAngelus]

4 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

4 cams on Scott. Half of Twitter is displeased.

They should use flashback and watch Morgan's ass, I mean Morgan's attempt, the way I am.  Just for competition purposes, of course. :)

[J.D.]

6 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Whitney's been called to DR to get the results as host. Perfect; 10 more minutes until Morgan's win is announced...or Scott's, because if they call Morgan's first buzzer as her starting point, then Scott might have won.

I bet production is debating, trying to decide if Morgan won or not.

I think she still would win.  There was only about 13 seconds between Scott and Morgan's time, and there was only about 5 seconds between Morgan's first and second  air horn.  So the way I figured it, even if they go by Morgan's first air horn, she would still win by about 8 seconds.  Then again, I'm bad at math.  :D

[ByaNose]

2 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

If they go by Morgan's second air horn, then her time would be 8:40 or so. If they go by her first air horn, her time would still be under nine minutes, but much closer to Scott's time. It's entirely possible that he could have won. But it all depends on the timing that Big Brother has, because our timing could be slightly off of theirs.

4 cams on Scott. Half of Twitter is displeased. 

Scott acting tough doesn't translate on television. LOL!!

[Lady Calypso]

Fish are on. They're gathering the houseguests for the results. 

Just as Danielle was talking about how she almost turned BB down, I think.

[Lady Calypso]

Heath has a soothing voice; I didn't realize that was Heath's voice.

Morgan won! 

[Michel]

Best possible outcome.  Morgan won the Veto.

So will she keep the nominations the same or save Whitney?  I know none of the Ball Smasher girls would save Scott.

[DAngelus]

Morgan's on the block.  She'll take herself down, because America might turn on her if she pulled a Marcellas.  Shelby probably goes up as a pawn.  Jamboree votes out Scott, Ballsmashers vote out Neeley (unless Morgan flips) and America decides.

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KRYSSIE:  I got two bandaids for five open wounds.

 Yeah, surrrre.

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[Lady Calypso]

LOL, Jason's already moving his way toward the Ball Smasher's side. He realizes that his side is screwed and Neeley is probably going. He might not want to admit it, but I see what he's doing with his conversations with the girls.

[J.D.]

Kryssie's still complaining that BB didn't care that she was injured....that BB let her stand there and bleed to death....etc.  What did she expect BB to do?  If she was THAT injured, why didn't she demand medical attention?    I mean, if she had broken a finger or something, would she have continued with the comp or would she have demanded BB intervene?  UGGGHHH..... !!!!

[Michel]

3 minutes ago, DAngelus said:

Morgan's on the block.  She'll take herself down, because America might turn on her if she pulled a Marcellas.  Shelby probably goes up as a pawn.  Jamboree votes out Scott, Ballsmashers vote out Neeley (unless Morgan flips) and America decides.

Oh, right, right!  Morgan's on the block, not Whitney!  Okay!  So she's safe, and Shelby goes up, and Neeley almost certainly goes next unless Morgan votes for Scott.  Got it.

[Lady Calypso]

Is it too much to hope that Production gets sick of Kryssie bashing them and they punish her somehow? Because I need her gone today.

[Lamb18]

We can punish her by sending her to the Have Not room.

[DAngelus]

OMG, Shelby got the Monte question wrong because she thought today was Tuesday!  Poor girl's going stir-crazy in there.

Shelby's still shocked that Scott and Morgan did better than her because she opened all three questions at once while Morgan did an extra turn (opening Shane, then going back to answer it before moving on), and Scott can't believe Morgan beat him while doing two wrong answers.  She just smoked them on the wall, that's the story.

ETA:  Alex points out that they will need either America or Justin's vote.  Then she says that if Morgan uses the Veto on Scott, Neeley would definitely go home. (There's no way Morgan should do that, as she's not Brendon, but at least this should deflect any sister suspicion.)

Alex suggests that she could tell Justin to vote their way and blame the tiebreaker on America, then remembers she tried this with the Monte vote and he had no interest in it.  But Whitney notes that Justin likes Scott while he hated Monte.  Whitney wants to try to work Justin one-on-one.

Meantime, Scott has the "brilliant" idea to spend the next two days harassing Danielle in order to curry favor with "America".  Er, no.  Shut up, you dork.  You're gonna fuck it all up…

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[Katesus7]

It actually sounded like they're going to put up Whitney. They are going all in on Scott, as they should. I guess they realized that Neeley getting nommed over Shelby meant they weren't going to get help voting out Shelby, and they probably think they do have a chance of the Plastics going for the sure thing in voting out Scott, over relying on America to vote out Neeley. They are wrong, the plastics are going to be all in on voting out Neeley (even Morgan, IMO), so they have to bet on America.

And Scott is very off putting, it could very well be him. But I feel the four plastics are safe this week. Here's hoping I'm right! Also, Neeley's plan is to basically tell Morgan she'd better vote out Scott, or she'll be at the top of their list. Neeley thinks she can work with Morgan, but if Morgan votes the other way, that will be over.

I have to say, there is going to be a LOT of strategizing this week, and I love it. Because who the fuck knows how  "America" will vote. But the fact is, the Plastics have the upper hand on the misfits this week. I'm pretty sure they'd be OK with losing Scott at the end of the day, as long as the four of them are good.

[DAngelus]

Hmm, sounds like Justin wants to vote out Neeley, but Jason is saying that would give the VirginBallsmashers too much of an advantage and he (Jason) would go next.  Justin seems dubious, though.

Jason makes the good point that Scott harassing Danielle is only going to bite him in the ass.  But he wrongly says that Scott can't be America's Nominee next week.  No, he can't be a Have-Not, but the AN is open for him.

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I'm not claiming I'm no Derrick, but how the fuck did Derrick keep everybody on the straight and narrow?   Because trying to keep people's minds on the straight and narrow in here is fucking impossible.  At least trying to keep Justin's mind on the straight and narrow is fucking impossible.  (Beat)  Shit, I'm nothing like Derrick, so don't take that as a comparison.  But how did you get people to shut the fuck up and listen and calm down?

Yeah, it may only be two buses and about two hours from Swansea to Providence (less by car), but it's still a looong way, metaphorically, between you and Derrick.  Them's the breaks, dude.

Really hope that Justin will save Scott.  He was talking about cutting Neeley next week, anyhow, so why not step it up?

ETA:  Oh, ffs.  The Jamboree wants to try to convince Morgan to use the Veto on Neeley.  Well, that would vitiate the "don't nominate Kryssie" agreement if I were Morgan.  Once they try to get me to stay on the block to help their game, I would have no compunctions about putting them up, two-week deal or no.

Wow, Justin really wants Neeley gone. He's even gently trying to equate Scott with Neeley in this convo with Kryssie and Dani in the HoH.  Stick to it, Justin.  "America" will have your back, I bet.

EATA:  Jason on the "plan" to get Morgan to use the Veto on Neeley:

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That's like hoping for non-denominational Mary to come down into the back yard and start handing out packages of cigarettes.

Still don't like him (there was a lot of whining and misogyny around this line) but it's nice when he occasionally catches a clue.

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[ByaNose]

Jason is such a bitter Betty. He is such a sore loser. I hope he doesn't seriously think his side of the house are the good people. All of them are VILE! Rant over. 

[Michel]

4 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

Jason is such a bitter Betty. He is such a sore loser. I hope he doesn't seriously think his side of the house are the good people. All of them are VILE! Rant over. 

Well, all but Justin, at least.  I'm just glad their vileness has finally gotten more voters on the Ball Smashers' side than theirs.  Because it's true.  Most of America does not see the Late Night Jamboree as the "good people" anymore! :)

Edited October 25, 2016 by Michel

[DAngelus]

And even when Jason catches a clue, he doesn't know what to do with it.  Justin expresses surprise that "America" seems to like Shelby, and here comes the response:

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No, [America] love those four girls.  They probably love a (mocking voice) "Strong girls' alliance! Finally!!" …except that they're all 22-year-old shallow pieces of shit.

Yeah, that'll get "America" voting your way.  Asshole.  If he ever watched S5, where the final 4 were the four youngest people in the house and none of them was older than 22, his head would explode.  Here, the average age of the Plastics is 23, so he's even wrong about that.   (Alex is 25, Shelby 24, Morgan 22, Whitney 21.)

And then he and Justin start mocking the girls for lacking culture, because they haven't seen the same 30-year-old kids' movies that J/J like.  "How you never seen Free Willy? How you never seen The Goonies?"  Yeah, that's totally AFI Top 50 material the Ballsmashers are missing out on there.  Justin probably thinks Truffaut is a sauce. Oy.

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[Michel]

1 minute ago, DAngelus said:

And then he and Justin start mocking the girls for lacking culture, because they haven't seen the same 30-year-old kids' movies that J/J like.  "How you never seen Free Willy? How you never seen The Goonies?"  Yeah, that's totally AFI Top 50 material the Ballsmashers are missing out on there.  Justin probably thinks Truffaut is a sauce. Oy.

Aw, that's a shame.  I really thought that there was a chance that he and Justin really were thinking about flipping to their side.  But if they're bashing them this badly, then probably not.

[North of Eden]

Okay, let me preface this by saying I have seen very little of the feeds. I only have time for the packaged 90 minute weekly shows.

So in a nutshell can someone explain why on this board and apparently out in America there is so much dislike for Danielle? On the packaged shows she seems like a nice normal young woman and it was good to see her in a recipricol relationship instead of the nightmarish Paulie/Zakiya match up from the summer. And also explain why there is so much love for Alex. From the packaged show frankly she comes off as a little rat. Even taking glee in the idea of Danielle having a nervous breakdown by losing Shane and having her allies vote against her. She seems very mean spirited and not likeable at all.

Two random observations.

Jason skeeves me out. There is something about his spindly little legas and arms that reminds me of a spider. And then there is the close ups in the diary room. Not trying to be mean but his face looks the the AFTER pictures I use to see on Before/After shots of someone on meth.

Finally nailed who Shelby is...she the non-animated living incarnation of Jane from DARIA! Her voice, mannerisoms, attitude all scream Jane.

[Michel]

@North of Eden, you'd have to start from the beginning of these threads, because they'll paint a better picture.  But if you want the Cliff Notes version, @DAngelus pretty much lays it out on either page three or four of this thread as to why America's started to hate Danielle.  And the thread for week three lays out why Kryssie, Neeley, and Jason are hated, too.

[Katesus7]

I come from the exact opposite perspective. I have yet to watch a recap show, I only watch live feeds (including live DRs) and read Jokers. Here's my opinion.

Danielle bothers everyone in the house. Not just the Plastics, but everyone. She is extremely self-centered, and has many, many stories, all about herself. There was one epic Jokers post which chronicled her describing every single birthday she has had, going back to the age of seven. People kept trying to nicely change the subject or derail her, but she would not be denied.  She and Shane were joined at the hip, had all kinds of inappropriate PDAs, and took the lovey dovey nonsense to a Rachel/Brendan level. Not fun to be around. Also, she talks MAD shit about the plastics, and as I am nothing if not a homer, she can suck it for that alone.

I love Alex. It took me awhile, especially because of the voice, because 90% of my time watching the Feeds is just listening to the feeds. Shane was right, she is the leader of the plastics. She constantly is running ideas, studying for comps, figuring out what their next move should be. She's a fan of this game and it shows. She has been clearly frustrated with Shelby and being aligned with her a few times (and let's face it, I love Shelby, but she's a hot mess), but she has stuck by her and will continue to do so. She tries her best to protect Morgan, but not to the extent it will ruin her game. I have no idea how she would come off as a "little rat". 

[North of Eden]

Thanks Michael. Will search for it..man's the Alex love?

[North of Eden]

3 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

I come from the exact opposite perspective. I have yet to watch a recap show, I only watch live feeds (including live DRs) and read Jokers. Here's my opinion.

Danielle bothers everyone in the house. Not just the Plastics, but everyone. She is extremely self-centered, and has many, many stories, all about herself. There was one epic Jokers post which chronicled her describing every single birthday she has had, going back to the age of seven. People kept trying to nicely change the subject or derail her, but she would not be denied.  She and Shane were joined at the hip, had all kinds of inappropriate PDAs, and took the lovey dovey nonsense to a Rachel/Brendan level. Not fun to be around. Also, she talks MAD shit about the plastics, and as I am nothing if not a homer, she can suck it for that alone.

I love Alex. It took me awhile, especially because of the voice, because 90% of my time watching the Feeds is just listening to the feeds. Shane was right, she is the leader of the plastics. She constantly is running ideas, studying for comps, figuring out what their next move should be. She's a fan of this game and it shows. She has been clearly frustrated with Shelby and being aligned with her a few times (and let's face it, I love Shelby, but she's a hot mess), but she has stuck by her and will continue to do so. She tries her best to protect Morgan, but not to the extent it will ruin her game. I have no idea how she would come off as a "little rat". 

That errant first vote tor Dani in the cornbread evict and glee at Remington cause Dani a mental breakdown. It's a game...no need to be cruel.

[DAngelus]

Anti-Danielle points:

1.  Way too much showmance with Shane.  Reaching Zaulie levels of sex in the house, and some people think she should be a better example to her kid.  

2.  The "sassy" component of the Jamboree reached nasty levels.  She's taking some blowback from Jason's anti-Shelby tirades, for example.

3.  Always talks about herself.  Somebody had a clip up where they were having a discussion about something in Danielle's life, and Kryssie changed the subject to rum and Danielle changed it right back.

4.  Her baby daddy is playing in the NFL (Stephen Jackson, cornerback, Kansas City), so she doesn't really need the money.  Indeed, she talks about saving up her child support to have destination birthdays and such.

5. Just comes off as spoiled and self-involved.  Almost everybody in the last DRs said that she was the most difficult to live with on a daily basis.  

6.  The Jamboree have engaged in some very juvenile antics (hiding Shelby's candy, eating the Have-Not food, rubbing their sweat on the Plastics' clothes and linens) and get all self-righteous about how they are (allegedly) better housekeepers than the Plastics (this is subject to dispute) and just come off nasty in so doing.

7.  Constantly napping, in violation of the rules.

8.  "Killed" her puppy.  Well, she was neglectful and stupid (started the puppy on the high-quality food [Blue Buffalo], changed to more generic, and didn't change back or go to the vet when the puppy started rejecting all food) and the way she told it, without remorse and more like a "this awful thing happened to me, my puppy committed suicide!" story, that really buried her.

9.  When the America's votes were going their way, the Jamboree would brag about how much "America" loved them and the other side had better get on board and such.  Eh, not so much…

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[ByaNose]

5 minutes ago, Katesus7 said:

I come from the exact opposite perspective. I have yet to watch a recap show, I only watch live feeds (including live DRs) and read Jokers. Here's my opinion.

Danielle bothers everyone in the house. Not just the Plastics, but everyone. She is extremely self-centered, and has many, many stories, all about herself. There was one epic Jokers post which chronicled her describing every single birthday she has had, going back to the age of seven. People kept trying to nicely change the subject or derail her, but she would not be denied.  She and Shane were joined at the hip, had all kinds of inappropriate PDAs, and took the lovey dovey nonsense to a Rachel/Brendan level. Not fun to be around. Also, she talks MAD shit about the plastics, and as I am nothing if not a homer, she can suck it for that alone.

I love Alex. It took me awhile, especially because of the voice, because 90% of my time watching the Feeds is just listening to the feeds. Shane was right, she is the leader of the plastics. She constantly is running ideas, studying for comps, figuring out what their next move should be. She's a fan of this game and it shows. She has been clearly frustrated with Shelby and being aligned with her a few times (and let's face it, I love Shelby, but she's a hot mess), but she has stuck by her and will continue to do so. She tries her best to protect Morgan, but not to the extent it will ruin her game. I have no idea how she would come off as a "little rat". 

So if there was a Final 4 of Alex,Morgan, Whitney & Shelby who would be cut first? Shelby? I guess it would depend on the Final HOH winner. I know there's plenty of game left but I was just wondering aloud who Alex's Final 3 is in her mind now.

[leocadia]

In the live DRs this past Friday, one of the questions was "Which houseguest is the most difficult to live with on a daily basis"  , The only people who didn't include Danielle were Alex and Shelby.  Even her own alliance thinks she is incredibly self-involved.  She talks about herself constantly to the point where she repeats herself getting louder and louder until she is heard.  She talks over people and truly seems incapable of seeing things from someone else's perspective.  Also, like Monte and his self-proclaimed squirrel vendetta, Danielle told a story that involved owning a puppy that "committed suicide" in her care by refusing to eat, despite the fact that she followed the advice given to her by the workers at the Pet Depot.  Now I don't know all the circumstances and maybe it wasn't as bad as it sounds, but the mere fact that she told the story without realizing how it would sound to a decidedly pet friendly internet shows bad judgement at  the very least and didn't help her in the court of public opinion.  In my own opinion, she comes across as very hypocritical ( doing the same things she rants about the other side of the house doing) and extremely entitled.  But that's just my two cents.  

Sorry for the repeats of previous points...they all popped up while I was typing.

Also ETA on Alex, I don't think she's perfect by any means, everyone in the house trash talks and takes some pleasure in "beating" their opponents (especially the ones who are vocally coming after them), but so far none of the Plastics have taken it to the vulgar, personal level of the LNC.  I like Alex because she is mostly focused on the game (ie, the errant vote was to cause dissension, not a personal hit at Dani) and game scenarios.

Edited October 25, 2016 by leocadia

[Katesus7]

6 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

That errant first vote tor Dani in the cornbread evict and glee at Remington cause Dani a mental breakdown. It's a game...no need to be cruel.

Glee at Remington? What does that mean? The hinky vote for Danielle barely had a ripple effect, it certainly didn't cause any kind of breakdown. And I have seen nothing to indicate anyone has been cruel to poor Danielle. 

[DAngelus]

Oh, also both Alex and Shelby have noted that Danielle has never asked them anything about their lives.

And just a few minutes back, all of the Jamboree were bashing the Plastics because they don't know the girls' surnames (except for Whitney's) and they take that as an indication that the girls aren't sociable.  Yeah, it's a two-way street, folks.

Well, Jason did back off to "either I'm not listening or they're not offering".  Try harder, dick.

Danielle is trying to describe Eddie Haskell from Leave It to Beaver, but she can't come up with the name.  So much for "culture", eh?  (And they only know Dennis the Menace from the piss-poor movie version.)

[North of Eden]

Spell check put that Remington in there. No idea why LOL was suppose to be causing. Anyway when Plastics were plotting to vote Shane out she we gleefully and said DAni would have a breakdown with no SHane and her allies voting against her. Alex was cruelly delighted at the prospect because she IS a little rat.

[Michel]

1 minute ago, DAngelus said:

(And they only know Dennis the Menace from the piss-poor movie version.)

Kind of off-topic, but . . . blasphemy!  If you mean the Mason Gamble/Walter Matthau/Christopher Lloyd one, that's still one of my favorite movies ever, even twenty-five (or twenty-six?) years later!

Either way, yes, they've pretty much laid it all out as to why Danielle is . . . not very well-liked by the voters.

[DAngelus]

15 minutes ago, Michel said:

Kind of off-topic, but . . . blasphemy!  If you mean the Mason Gamble/Walter Matthau/Christopher Lloyd one, that's still one of my favorite movies ever, even twenty-five (or twenty-six?) years later!

Sorry, I just assumed because it wasn't terribly well-reviewed and it was something of a flop, IIRC.  Good if you liked it, though.

I'm weird, anyway; I didn't have any real "favorite children's movies" as a kid.  We lived far enough away from the city that moviegoing was saved for all-ages stuff; my kiddy entertainment was cartoons and reruns and the like.  The movie I remember most from my youth was 2001.  (Yes, my parents may have been very stoned, I admit.)

Kryssie is threatening Shelby that if she doesn't vote to evict Scott she won't be able to "work with" Shelby down the line.  Given that Shelby was Kryssie's choice to evict if Scott had won the Veto, I don't see that Shelby is losing too much there.

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KRYSSIE:  Everyone on my side of the house is honest and loyal.

A: Bullshit.

B: You do realize you just insulted Shelby and her allies, right?
C: Go home, already.

Shelby is pretending to be stupid.  She's acting as if she doesn't know that Kryssie can't tell her the nominations in advance.  Keep playing those "honest and loyal" people, Shelbster.  I mean, they all know she's lying, but who cares?

[Katesus7]

I just can't with Kryssie. Apparently she's been the nicest HOH by far (her words). All righty, then. Now she's asking Shelby what are the chances of getting Morgan to use the veto on Neeley. Shelby trying her best not to laugh. Shelby is lying to Kryssie about her vote, saying she would totally vote out Scott ever Neeley. Shelby doesn't care, these people spend half their day trashing her anyway, she knows this.

Kryssie says she wants a unanimous vote and it hurts her head that she doesn't know how to do this. So if she doesn't put up Shelby, and Shelby screws her over.....sorry, pausing for laughter....that means Kryssie could never work with Shelby in the game. Because otherwise, Kryssie would TOTALLY work with Shelby in the game. Hahahahahah!

I mean, this means nothing. Whitney, Shelby nom, what matters is if Alex can rally the plastics to do a "Monte" move (it's totally a thing now) and just guess that America will vote their way and get out Neeley. Or if the other side can persuade/scare one of the plastics to chicken out. Because that is what this is, a chicken game.

Also, this whole "Scott clapped because I was hurt/lost the comp" whatever that Kryssie is selling? When he was in another room? And had no idea what was going on with Kryssie? Does anyone, anywhere have evidence of this? Because that seems to be the main selling point for the LNC against Scott right now. 

Oh, and Danielle and Justin were in the room this whole time? Hahahahahaha!

[Michel]

2 minutes ago, DAngelus said:

Sorry, I just assumed because it wasn't terribly well-reviewed and it was something of a flop, IIRC.  Good if you liked it, though.

I did not know that.  Still, I was just playing, so no harm done!  I still do like the movie, though.  Have it in my video library at home.

Topic?  I appreciate the women's alliance.  They really do understand so much more that this is, first and foremost, a game.  It's like none of the LNJ understands that at all.

[DAngelus]

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Kryssie is referring to her "hand wounds" from the competition as "stigmata" and comparing herself to Jesus at the Crucifixion.  Are you kidding me???

And I've never been Christian in my life, but still.

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KRYSSIE: I'm the worst.

We're not arguing, darling.  Trust us.

[Lady Calypso]

26 minutes ago, North of Eden said:

Spell check put that Remington in there. No idea why LOL was suppose to be causing. Anyway when Plastics were plotting to vote Shane out she we gleefully and said DAni would have a breakdown with no SHane and her allies voting against her. Alex was cruelly delighted at the prospect because she IS a little rat.

Well...no, she's not really a rat at all. Nobody is perfect in that house, not even Alex. I know that Alex can definitely seem intense for the most part, but I find her a lot better than the other side of the house. Alex has never outright bullied anyone, which is very good, because there has been bullying done by Jason, Shane, and Kryssie, and their allies including Danielle have laughed along and encouraged it. People say some unfortunate things. I try to give these houseguests the benefit of the doubt, especially with the extremely divided house, where both sides have said nasty things about the other side in general. Danielle has said some equally cruel things, if not worse. She has laughed at the thought of Morgan's boyfriend cheating on her outside of the house. She has called Shelby a whore, a hooker, a prostitute, a slut, and she has said that Shelby doesn't have a boyfriend because of her appearance and personality. She has stated that she wants to punch the Plastics/Scott many, many times. I think she also joined in on talks about wanting to commit suicide when Shelby's around. 

Danielle is very self absorbed and sure, Alex isn't perfect, but she is not on the level that Danielle and her allies are. And that is why I personally dislike Danielle. As for me liking Alex, she reminds me of myself a LOT. Actually it's eerie how much I think like her. She's paranoid a bit and she insightful. She knows the game, she's playing the game, but she also realizes how much the other side hates her and she won't put up with that. Plus...I'll admit, I totally thought that Danielle would have a breakdown without Shane for a while there. I just appreciate that she hasn't wished personal attacks on Danielle, or anyone (yet?). She's just a lot more mature than Danielle is, and a better person in my eyes. The fact that she has taken responsibility for things that she had done wrong is a step up from Danielle, that's for sure. 

Edited October 25, 2016 by Lady Calypso

[DAngelus]

Oooh, the VirginBallsmashers are trying to come up with good words for the "Scrabble" competition, and I think they're talking about pooling letters for mutual benefit.  That would be clever.

But first…Shelby has to convince Whitney that there's a "d" in "handkerchief".

[Michel]

Just now, DAngelus said:

But first…Shelby has to convince Whitney that there's a "d" in "handkerchief".

Ha!  At least someone's literate and knows how to spell!:)

[DAngelus]

Personally, I vote for "quizzically".  A "Q", two "Z"s, a "Y" and a good consonant to vowel ratio.

It's exquisite.  ;-)

[leocadia]

I wasn't initially a fan of the BS'ers, mostly because of Monte.  My natural affinity for underdogs made me much more likely to sway toward the LNC, just on shallow first impressions.  When it became clear that the girls (especially Alex and Morgan) weren't going to let Monte run/ruin their game, I took interest in them.  I felt bad that they realized what a liability he was and that joining up with him probably wasn't their best move, but they had to follow the path they'd chosen.  I thought they did a great job of resisting his controlling ways, while making it seem like they were on board with him and even loyal to a point.  Losing him (and Cornbread) was the best thing that could have happened to their game--at least as far as America's input was concerned.  The fact that all that was happening at the same time the LNC started getting really nasty and petty (Mostly Jason and Kryssie, with Neely joining in after awhile) and Danielle's overbearing personality started to become clear, it made it easy to root for the girls.   At first, it seemed like almost every season where an alpha male comes in to run things and the girls fall in line, I guess I was surprised and impressed that it didn't go that way.

[DAngelus]

ETA:  Shelby reporting back to Alex/Whitney about her HoH convo.

She says that when she told Kryssie that Scott had proposed voting out Morgan/Whitney before the last HoH (that's a lie, right?), Kryssie said that this was because Scott hates two-person alliances.  So now the Plastics know that Kryssie thinks M/W are allied, probably because of the joint pitch they made.  Alex adds that Kryssie thinks she and Scott are an alliance, although to be fair, Scott thinks that, too.

Shelby says that Kryssie said that Scott voted out Shane because he jealous of Shane finding someone else (Danielle) to hang out with.  In the words of Alex, "she's crazy!"  Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Scott's eviction of Shane was mostly about game and to the extent it was personal, it was about Shane flipping on the Night 1 alliance they had.  As, you know, Scott said in his speech.  But now I know why Scott said that if it came up 3-1-3 and Kryssie had to break the tie and evict him, her eviction speech would be 30 minutes of her psychoanalyzing him.

Hey, "psychoanalyzing" would be a GREAT Scrabble word.  11 consonants to 4 vowels, with two y's and a z.  Heh.

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SHELBY:  [Kryssie] asked if I could get Morgan to use the Veto on Neeley.

ALEX:  (laughs)  Wait, seriously?

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[DAngelus]

Whitney's working Justin pretty well.  She says that Neeley's coming after her, but Scott isn't.  And that if Justin votes out Neeley, they don't need "America" and could pin the vote on "America" if need be.

She tries to generate sympathy for Scott, saying he gets mistreated (apparently there's some sympathy for him after his confrontation in the kitchen with Danielle?  Man, I guess even Dani's own alliance hates her…) and bringing up the sand trap punishment. They go in circles and then she says "what's best for your game?" and keeps reassuring him that Scott won't come after Kryssie (because Scott thinks Kryssie is too weak/beatable at the end).  The roadblock is that Justin doesn't want to defy Kryssie's plans and damage her trust in him and Whitney is like, why don't we just tell her straight up and you won't get in trouble then?  But Justin eventually says he'll secretly vote out Neeley if Whitney tells Kryssie that she's voting out Scott, so that he won't be the only one lying.

He also apparently thinks that Whitney would be able to pin the hinky vote on America, but the math is wrong.  Whitney doesn't disabuse him of the notion, though (why would she?) and goes up to HoH…where she promptly volunteers to go on the block, so as not to damage her and Kryssie's relationship down the road, and she plants the seed that "things change in an hour in this house".  Heh-heh, cause a little paranoia.

The sisters get filled in from Whitney at their usual hangout in the bathroom, and then fill in Shelby when she comes in as Whitney leaves.  They think it's really good news that Justin was already talking to Jason about voting out Neeley, even before the Veto was played. (We saw this, and Justin also mentioned it to Whitney.)  Myself, I'm still a little unsure of Justin, but I think "America" will have Scott's back, anyway.  Oh, and Scott's going to lay off of Danielle; that tactic had limited utility, at best.

Shelby mentions how Kryssie's complaining about how she shouldn't lose her best friend on her own HoH and the three BS girls point out that Monte went home on Alex's HoH (and Cornbread on Monte's), so no sympathy there.

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SHELBY (sarcastically):  But she's the most important person in the house so, like, America would be devastated, too!

ALEX (sighs):   She is…an interesting person.  And that's all I'll say.

I feel you, Alex.  I feel you.  

Edited October 25, 2016 by DAngelus

[peachmangosteen]

Kryssie is amazing. Her delusions and insanity provide me so much entertainment. She's basically Sabrina from BBCan2. I love it! I hope America puts her on slop and noms her next week, but then I hope she stays because I'm not ready for her crazy to leave just yet. Not when there's so many people who are boring/horrible left.

On the Alex debate I'm somewhat in the middle. Honestly I don't really like her personality that much, or at least I like it the least of all The Plastics, but I appreciate her gameplay. I don't find her to be a rat at all. @North of Eden what has she done that makes you see her as a rat? 

I read that Alex tried to get Morgan to use veto on Scott. Please tell me that isn't true lol!

Edited October 25, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[njbarmaid]

59 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I read that Alex tried to get Morgan to use veto on Scott. Please tell me that isn't true lol!

Yes it was right after they came in from the comp, in the Tokyo room.