Santa Barbara - General Discussion

[Shirlaine]

Episode 14:

- CC lifting weights.. can't get that image out of my head.

- Joe to Peter: "Who made you God?" :D

- I like Cruz and Joe together, it's nice that Joe has a real friend

- Santana has yet another strange necklace. Two sets of pearls?

- It gets boring as Kelly keeps repeating the story about the horrible fight between Channing and Joe and blablabla. Is this a way to get new watchers on the track?

- Augusta making advances on Joe is awkward.

Peter: I'll do whatever it takes

Augusta: You always have

Minx: So have you

:D

- I like it when Joe's character has some humour instead of just being serious all the time.

 

In 1987, I'm temporarily disliking Jeffrey as he is such a jerk towards Kelly all the time. Cat is out of the bag about Julia's and Tori's pregnancies and there are only about 10 more episodes until Utah. I will try to watch those episodes fast as I want to get to the happier times. 1987 is still good but not as good as 1986.

 

[cleo]

I never really got the Joe and Augusta thing.

[Bali]

On 4/6/2023 at 5:12 PM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 14:

- CC lifting weights.. can't get that image out of my head.

- Joe to Peter: "Who made you God?" :D

- I like Cruz and Joe together, it's nice that Joe has a real friend

- Santana has yet another strange necklace. Two sets of pearls?

- It gets boring as Kelly keeps repeating the story about the horrible fight between Channing and Joe and blablabla. Is this a way to get new watchers on the track?

- Augusta making advances on Joe is awkward.

Peter: I'll do whatever it takes

Augusta: You always have

Minx: So have you

:D

- I like it when Joe's character has some humour instead of just being serious all the time.

Danny and his puppet oranges made me laugh. Jade in her Dolly Parton costume also made me laugh.

In my head, there was a news alert: Citizens of Santa Barbara, there has been a cougar siting on the Lockridge property.

Every teen needs to learn how to fan dance. 

I want some of Rosa's guacamole. 

They really welcomed Cruz with open arms.

CC, why would Augusta or Minx pay any attention to what you have to say?

I enjoyed the scene with Minx and Joe.

[Bali]

On 4/6/2023 at 5:30 PM, cleo said:

I never really got the Joe and Augusta thing.

Coo coo ka choo Mrs. Robinson 

[cleo]

I think it was more the plot I didn't get. She didn't want him to come to town and was against him, then she wanted him around....I can't remember the details now. 

Just early in some of the characters were so contradictory and poorly written.

Also though Dane Witherspoon is just not appealing to me heh. So that too.

Edited April 10, 2023 by cleo

[Bali]

13 hours ago, cleo said:

I think it was more the plot I didn't get. She didn't want him to come to town and was against him, then she wanted him around....I can't remember the details now. 

Just early in some of the characters were so contradictory and poorly written.

Also though Dane Witherspoon is just not appealing to me heh. So that too.

She tried to run him out of town. When that failed, she kept him close. It's the old Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. As for seducing him, why not have a bit of fun with someone younger than your son? Lionel and Augusta are only faithful when they're in the same town. 

[cleo]

Why was Joe Augusta's enemy? She tried to keep him away before he came to town.

[Bali]

9 hours ago, cleo said:

Why was Joe Augusta's enemy? She tried to keep him away before he came to town.

She thought Warren killed Channing. Joe was determined to find the killer. Since she thought Warren did it, she wanted to protect her son

[cleo]

See I didn't think Augusta thought that until after. If she thought that all along and let an innocent guy go to jail, that's pretty shitty son or no. 

Anyway that storyline was just just not for me. I found it all awful. But thanks for trying to make it make sense! You probably did a better job than the writers.

[Bali]

16 hours ago, cleo said:

See I didn't think Augusta thought that until after. If she thought that all along and let an innocent guy go to jail, that's pretty shitty son or no. 

Anyway that storyline was just just not for me. I found it all awful. But thanks for trying to make it make sense! You probably did a better job than the writers.

I'm pretty sure she does, because when Lionel returns, the first thing she wanted to talk about was protecting Warren. I also think that TPTB didn't fully know what to do with Augusta before they were able to have Lionel. Nic Coster was under contract somewhere else the first couple of weeks. 

And yes, OG Augusta was ruthless. She would have sent Julia to prison to protect Warren. Laken on the other hand she didn't protect. I think she is the one that bombed the Perkins house

[Shirlaine]

Now that the Easter is over and all the socializing is done, it's time to get back to SB!

I also don't get the whole 'thing' between Joe and Augusta. Some plot choices at the beginning are odd.

I have been reading some interviews with Robin Wright. Did I understand it correctly that most of the time she was in SB, she either disliked or hated it? And that she stayed until 1988 only because of her signing a three-year contract and then having to accept an extra 9 months to her contract because of her absence for Princess Bride? That's sad. I do like Kelly's character and Robin but it's a bit depressing if she hated playing her/in SB.

Episode 15:

- Yay, there's the Finnish flag among the decorations at the yacht!

- Joe in speedos..

- I love it when Cruz stands up for Joe against CC

- It was annoying that Danny kept banging the spoons while Ted was on the phone

- Nice to see the outside of the Lockridge house, the garden and the pool. Joe's jump over Augusta was cool! But why does he kiss Augusta if he is supposed to love Kelly?

- Joe jumped into the pool with his clothes on and in the next scene, his shirt is partly dry

- Yay to Cruz for lecturing Mason!

- Joe uses a hand plane in the Lockridge livingroom. Would you guys do woodwork in yours? I wouldn't.

- Why did Joe reveal all his plans to Augusta? Stupid writing.

- Argh, I hated Jade's selfiness when she hung up Ted's call

 

In 1987, Mason finally found out that Jeffrey is his brother. Not much else interesting happening at the moment. Utah coming in less than 10 episodes, brr.

[cleo]

You are correct about RW. Really irritates me and I'll be honest I dislike RW bc of it. I hate that pretentious attitude, some of the comments she has made about it were pretty obnoxious imo, but she wasn't too good to take the pay cheque.

[Bali]

On 4/12/2023 at 2:56 PM, Shirlaine said:

 

Episode 15:

- Yay, there's the Finnish flag among the decorations at the yacht!

- Joe in speedos..

- I love it when Cruz stands up for Joe against CC

- It was annoying that Danny kept banging the spoons while Ted was on the phone

- Nice to see the outside of the Lockridge house, the garden and the pool. Joe's jump over Augusta was cool! But why does he kiss Augusta if he is supposed to love Kelly?

- Joe jumped into the pool with his clothes on and in the next scene, his shirt is partly dry

- Yay to Cruz for lecturing Mason!

- Joe uses a hand plane in the Lockridge livingroom. Would you guys do woodwork in yours? I wouldn't.

- Why did Joe reveal all his plans to Augusta? Stupid writing.

- Argh, I hated Jade's selfiness when she hung up Ted's call

Episode 15-

See, Ted and Lakin were kind of at the No You hang up first point. So I thought it was a bit selfish of Ted to be mad about it. They ALL know Jade's reason for being there. She had hope at this point. That got slammed to the floor a few episodes later, but she was excited. 

Joe is naive for a felon. Lol

Peter talking about being in love with high school Kelly was four steps beyond creepy. 

Kelly isn't available and Louise Sorel is a milf, so he kissed her. 

No woodplaning in the living room. My husband also isn't allowed to make models at the dining room table after gluing his leg to one of the chairs.

Augusta would like to see Joe in Lionel's bathing suit. 

Quotes of the episode: Peter, "Augusta, your mind makes a gutter seem elevated." Lol

Santana to CC, "You know I've always thought of you as a second father." Odd way to seduce someone. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Bali

[Shirlaine]

It's sad to realize what RW's attitude towards SB is like. Hard not to let i effect on how I see Kelly. I also read an interview with Stephen Meadows and something in his attitude bothered me, too. I have a word for that in Finnish but don't know how to describe it in English. I felt like he didn't appreciate fans and the show itself so much and his remarks made me feel a bit uncomfortable. He didn't really say anything 'bad' but he just didn't seem to care. Or maybe it's just my imagination.

Episode 16:

- Ted and Danny rock with their choreography again!

- Jade is so naive.. well, she'll learn soon. Maybe this was supposed to be a kind of a lesson to all young people considering a career in acting: be very careful.

- This must be the first time Kelly and Santana talk to each other. I like these kind of scenes.

- The fur on Santana's shoulder.. what is, how is it used and what part of you is it supposed to keep warm?

- Once again, Mason is pressuring Santana in an awkward way.

- And.. Kelly repeats the hidious fight between Channing and Joe once again..

 

In 1987, Eden just lost her baby. I find it really, really stupid and unfair writing that just when they got back together, Tori finds out she's pregnant (well, it will take time to Chip's father to be revealed, but still), Cruz was arrested (for a couple of days, because he stopped the police from getting to Kelly ans Jeffrey), Eden and Cruz lost the baby and in a couple of episodes, Eden will be "dead". I mean, come on! They could have at least left the baby loss out. And why does it take 60 episodes (that is like 3 months of episodes aired) for Eden to get back? Then again, 3 months and Cruz lets Elena try to come on to him? I would just like to skip the whole Utah storyline, but no, I shall bravely watch it!

[cleo]

I watched the Utah storyline once, I think that was enough for me. And it is sooooo long.

[Bali]

On 4/15/2023 at 4:40 AM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 16:

- Ted and Danny rock with their choreography again!

- Jade is so naive.. well, she'll learn soon. Maybe this was supposed to be a kind of a lesson to all young people considering a career in acting: be very careful.

- This must be the first time Kelly and Santana talk to each other. I like these kind of scenes.

- The fur on Santana's shoulder.. what is, how is it used and what part of you is it supposed to keep warm?

- Once again, Mason is pressuring Santana in an awkward way.

- And.. Kelly repeats the hidious fight between Channing and Joe once again..

I think the fur is just her hair? I'm not seeing fur. 

Ted and Danny continue to make me laugh. 

It is very important that viewers know that Joe and Channing fought.

This isn’t going to end well,  Jade

[Shirlaine]

Episode 17:

- Jade is extremely selfish again, waking up the guys and neighbours.

- Suddenly, Kelly doesn't want Joe to get caught? Make up your mind already!

- CC, Peter and Mason march into the room like a mob family, even the music suits it.

- Cruz hasn't got his earring anymore?

- Mason is so obnoxius at Cruz, almost makes me dislike him.

- Ah, Augusta's reaction when Joe comes to work and she had hoped he got caught..

 

Quotes:

 

Danny: What, an eartquake?

Ted: It's not an earthquake

[Just wait for 60 episodes guys..]

 

Mason: I don't really give a damn

Cruz: I know you don't

 

Cruz: I think I'm being threatened

Mason: I think so, too

 

Peter: You're the most devious woman on the face of this earth

Augusta: How sweet

 

In 1987, first glimpse of Elena was seen in today's episode. Kelly and Jeffrey both started working at Delta Pharmaseuticals. Tori is jealous. Gina tries to look civilized in front of Alex. And some boring stuff.

 

2 hours ago, Bali said:

I think the fur is just her hair? I'm not seeing fur. 

Ted and Danny continue to make me laugh. 

It is very important that viewers know that Joe and Channing fought.

This isn’t going to end well,  Jade

 

I thought Santana had a white fur/animal, which she removed from her shoulder. Though it looked so long that it must have been two animals attached to each other.

[cleo]

So I'm watching the ep where they show the redesigned Capwell mansion. I really like the new set. I started watching towards summer 1990 so this was the only set I knew, so maybe that's why I like it best.

Funny to think I probably watched less than 12 months originally, but it had a huge impression on me.

ETA except I'm not sure this storyline with Cassandra makes sense. Like I know she was alive but they don't. 

So they think she was killed in the shed and her blood is there on gardening shears. But really she was in the tunnel with Mason.

And then there was no body. So she was actually mysteriously kidnapped or whatever. So how did her blood get in the shed?

It just irritates me bc I assume they're not going to really explain anymof this.

Also I am beyond ready for GT. TL is a great actor but he is just not right for this part. I find myself wishing GT was in all these scenes.

Edited April 18, 2023 by cleo

[cleo]

Also what are the ages the 4 Capwell kids supposed to be?

Kelly and Ted were too young to be a killer, but Mason was old enough to be drinking. So--- 14? I would guess 14 or 15.

Kelly said she was 5. 

They never suspect Eden. Just Mason or CC. Why not Eden? 

Yes, I'm thinking too much about this lol. Normally I can ride with gigantic potholes and ridiculous stories in soaps but this supposed murder plot has got me thinking.

Edited April 18, 2023 by cleo

[Bali]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:40 PM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 17:

- Jade is extremely selfish again, waking up the guys and neighbours.

- Suddenly, Kelly doesn't want Joe to get caught? Make up your mind already!

- CC, Peter and Mason march into the room like a mob family, even the music suits it.

- Cruz hasn't got his earring anymore?

- Mason is so obnoxius at Cruz, almost makes me dislike him.

- Ah, Augusta's reaction when Joe comes to work and she had hoped he got caught..

 

Quotes:

 

Danny: What, an eartquake?

Ted: It's not an earthquake

[Just wait for 60 episodes guys..]

 

Mason: I don't really give a damn

Cruz: I know you don't

 

Cruz: I think I'm being threatened

Mason: I think so, too

 

Peter: You're the most devious woman on the face of this earth

Augusta: How sweet.

The loud music is just normal teenage stuff. But it would be annoying. Jade was almost an only child the past several years. It shows. 

Ted yelling about her brother, the Murderer, while she was on the other side of the door was very rude. Although I see his side too. 

Mason vs. Cruz is so bizarre to watch, since they were on the same side later.

You caught the best quotes, especially the delivery. 

[Shirlaine]

Episode 18:

- CC claims Eden looks just like Sophia. Well..

- Cruz stretching looks funny

- Seems the writers are trying so hard to create chemistry between Cruz and Santana but I just can't feel it

- Jade should appreciate Danny's support more

- Cruz Day in Santa Barbara?! :D

- Joe is potting plants at Lockridge's. Can't Augusta do anything herself?

- Santana couldn't keep her mouth shut about Brandon's gift, could she?

- It's rare to see Cruz in shorts and tennis socks. And his earring is back!

- In these early episodes, Santana is more normal and not desperate to have Cruz. He seems more pushing towards her

- THAT kiss of Joe and Kelly!

 

Quotes:

 

Augusta to Joe: My hand looks very good on your arm

 

Joe to Dominic: You killed Channing Jr! You're the killer, it's all making sense!

Well, he's right about that.

 

Episode 19:

- In ep 18, Kelly & Joe's kiss is long and passionate. In this episode, it's very brief and she slaps him

- We see John Perkins after a long time and he's as idiot as always

- It's annoying how Mason jumps into conclusions about Joe and Kelly doesn't correct him

- Yuck, Kelly and Peter together..

- Why couldn't Jade just leave it to that with the porn producer?

- Danny talking to Laken about Ted is funny

- Nice for Cruz to defend Joe and for once Joe keeps his mouth shut when he should

 

In 1987: Sigh. The Utah storyline. I had told my husband about it and he surprised me by asking where I am in the "60-episode storyline you want to get over with". :D Unfortunately, I was still in the episode where Eden fell down the hill and Cain took her away..

At first, it was njce and funny the way Kelly and Jeffrey argue all the time. Now it's just tiresome and I start to like him less.

Gina and Alex, sooooo boring..

Mason/Tori/Julia is among the few interesting storylines at the moment. And poor Jane; first, they tried her "with Ted" as Roxanne. Then she progressed into kissing Warren but he left town. Now, they are pairing her with Brick

I read some coming episode summaries and I wonder why they made Laken so different when she comes back. She was such a sweet and innocent girl at the beginning and later she is.. a vamp?

[Bali]

23 hours ago, Shirlaine said:

Episode 18:

- CC claims Eden looks just like Sophia. Well..

- Cruz stretching looks funny

- Seems the writers are trying so hard to create chemistry between Cruz and Santana but I just can't feel it

- Jade should appreciate Danny's support more

- Cruz Day in Santa Barbara?! :D

- Joe is potting plants at Lockridge's. Can't Augusta do anything herself?

- Santana couldn't keep her mouth shut about Brandon's gift, could she?

- It's rare to see Cruz in shorts and tennis socks. And his earring is back!

- In these early episodes, Santana is more normal and not desperate to have Cruz. He seems more pushing towards her

- THAT kiss of Joe and Kelly!

 

Quotes:

 

Augusta to Joe: My hand looks very good on your arm

 

Joe to Dominic: You killed Channing Jr! You're the killer, it's all making sense!

Well, he's right about that.

Episode 18- 

It made me wonder if Joe knew Kelly was there and that's why he kissed Augusta. 

Dear Danny, don't loan other people's valuables to third parties, even if she IS a cute blonde. 

I have never thought Eden and Sophia looked alike- beyond the blonde. (Ooh- Beyond the Blonde would make a great book title)

No Augusta can't do anything except pet the dog and- speaking of Augusta, my husband saw her staring at Joe and yellef "Cougar alert! That's a MILF. Gee you can tell what's on her mind." I laughed and said, "She's one of the best."

Cruz's shorts were short. And that position on the couch looked as uncomfortable as possible. The director was like, "Ok, A, lay half on your back, half on your side, leg propped onto the back of the couch, now curl into it." 

I just don't care for Eva and A. Zero chemistry. 

I liked this exchange

Augusta to Joe: You're like Chinese water torture, drop by drop.

Joe: And you’re the Inquisition. 

I'm not even sure I fully understand that, but I loved it

I also loved Ted in that dorky uniform whining about girls not thinking it's cute.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Bali

[Bali]

On 4/26/2023 at 12:05 PM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 19:

- In ep 18, Kelly & Joe's kiss is long and passionate. In this episode, it's very brief and she slaps him

- We see John Perkins after a long time and he's as idiot as always

- It's annoying how Mason jumps into conclusions about Joe and Kelly doesn't correct him

- Yuck, Kelly and Peter together..

- Why couldn't Jade just leave it to that with the porn producer?

- Danny talking to Laken about Ted is funny

- Nice for Cruz to defend Joe and for once Joe keeps his mouth shut when he should.

Yeah, the difference in the kiss is pretty extreme. 

Peter is SUCH a ninny. How did a gigolo from the streets become a physics teacher? Especially one so stupid he can't figure out that Augusta can't talk now? And he's gross with Kelly.

I do like how Mason's protectiveness of Kelly comes out when he sees she was hurt. Too bad the rest of the self centered Capwells don't see how much he DOES love them.

Cruz defends Joe-again. 

John does not. He's really a jerk. But I loved how they cut from the producer telling Jade to get naked to John asking if Joe's sister is in trouble. More trouble than you can imagine, John. Meanwhile, his other daughter is getting impregnated at the dentist's office. Lol

Augusta to the police, "It's not my custom to be precise with time." I really need to incorporate that into my everyday language. 

Nice that Ted apologized to Lakin, but he should also apologize to Jade.

[Shirlaine]

I haven't been able to watch SB in nearly a week (first visitors/geocaching, now physical rehabilitation because of my CFS), but fortunately, I had written down some notes on episodes 20 and 21. Maybe I will try to watch one episode today. I really need my dose of SB, don't like the extra exhaustion that extra things cause me.

 

Episode 20:

- Peter celebrating sleeping with Kelly was funny (though, yuck)

- Danny and Ted are so funny again and Jade has to come in and spoil it

- Joe and Augusta together is so wrong, but at least someone gives Joe some "attention"..

- Joe talks about leaving his home and living somewhere else but he doesn't?

- CC jumping rope is so strange, because I can't think of Jed Allan doing so

- Santana tries to talk and CC just keeps playing the piano..

- A dramatic ending!

 

Episode 21:

- The writers try so hard to make Cruz seem a women's man. Doesn't feel natural. Though for me, it only feels natural when he's with Eden. Why can't she come to the show already?

- Why does the porn producer waste his time with Jade? One would think there were easier girls to get into the business

- Yay, we hear Lionel's voice!

- Danny is annoying, although he is right about the producer

- Augusta should stay out of Joe's business and she is stupid to claim that she cares for him or that she thinks he's seeing an other woman

- Mason has a flimsy excuse for getting Santana out of Cruz's place

- Minx is great!

- Why didn't Ted and Danny just tell the waiter they don't have enough money?

- Laken is so much smarter and more mature than Jade. And Jade is always hinted to be more experienced than Laken, especially when it comes to boys

- With what money will the teens pay their food when they used all their money on Ted and Danny's restaurant bill?

[Bali]

On 5/3/2023 at 8:47 AM, Shirlaine said:

I haven't been able to watch SB in nearly a week (first visitors/geocaching, now physical rehabilitation because of my CFS), but fortunately, I had written down some notes on episodes 20 and 21. Maybe I will try to watch one episode today. I really need my dose of SB, don't like the extra exhaustion that extra things cause me.

 

Episode 20:

- Peter celebrating sleeping with Kelly was funny (though, yuck)

- Danny and Ted are so funny again and Jade has to come in and spoil it

- Joe and Augusta together is so wrong, but at least someone gives Joe some "attention"..

- Joe talks about leaving his home and living somewhere else but he doesn't?

- CC jumping rope is so strange, because I can't think of Jed Allan doing so

- Santana tries to talk and CC just keeps playing the piano..

- A dramatic ending!

 

CC jumping rope was both impressive AND disturbing.

Other disturbing things include Santana hitting on CC. Joe and Augusta. And the skeezy producer. 

Ted and Danny getting into a real fight, but getting the job was amusing. 

I've been trying to watch this episode for 2 weeks. I'm getting a knee replacement Tuesday and have been training someone to do my job. My husband and I have an agreement that after every exercise session, I get one episode and he isn't allowed to complain. Little does he know that I'll have to exercise 3 times a day. Mwaahaha

[Shirlaine]

Good luck for the knee operation Bali! A good idea to reward yourself with episodes for the exercise sessions. :D

The Utah storyline (and the fact that I still haven't recovered from the rehab week, grr!) has discouraged me from watching SB, especially the 1987 episodes. What I have done is watched Eden & Cruz clips AFTER Utah again and again. I'm at episode 700 and over 50 more to go feels such a burden. I try to concentrate on Kelly & Jeffrey, Mason & Julia and even Brick & Jane, but it's hard. The episodes after Eden's "death" were horrible, I was crying all the time. What's wrong with me?! It's just a tv show. Today I'll try to advance it. First some 1984 and then back to the shitty period.

[Bali]

I'm FINALLY finishing episode 20! 

I like Rosa and Santana's talk. Go Rosa! Again, why didn't Santana want that kid earlier? Ugh

Minx: She’s a kitten now, but one day she'll be a tiger.

And the heavy situp board was moved to the atrium because- why?

Joe, you'll never catch Dominic. Roll credits

[Bali]

On 5/3/2023 at 8:47 AM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 21:

- The writers try so hard to make Cruz seem a women's man. Doesn't feel natural. Though for me, it only feels natural when he's with Eden. Why can't she come to the show already?

- Why does the porn producer waste his time with Jade? One would think there were easier girls to get into the business

- Yay, we hear Lionel's voice!

- Danny is annoying, although he is right about the producer

- Augusta should stay out of Joe's business and she is stupid to claim that she cares for him or that she thinks he's seeing an other woman

- Mason has a flimsy excuse for getting Santana out of Cruz's place

- Minx is great!

- Why didn't Ted and Danny just tell the waiter they don't have enough money?

- Laken is so much smarter and more mature than Jade. And Jade is always hinted to be more experienced than Laken, especially when it comes to boys

- With what money will the teens pay their food when they used all their money on Ted and Danny's restaurant bill?

One step closer to Lionel. 

I could have shipped Mason and Santana, but never Cruz and Santana. Cruz decor DOES need to match blonde. And we know which blonde.

Peaches won't let the kids starve. But it was a jerk move on the part of the producer AND the waiter to saddle them with a big bill.

Jade's story is strange. But happens daily. It isn't so much Why is he bothering? As much as he's grooming her. And he's good at it.

I loved the bit between Minx and Augusta. The best scene of the episode. Hands down

 

[cleo]

@Bali good luck with your surgery. 

'Robert' wearing a Chandler Bing sweater would be all I needed to see to be like- that's an imposter!

[Bali]

Episode 22-

Cruz is still defending Joe. It's nice that someone is! 

Augusta's pantsuit is AWFUL! The most unflattering thing I've ever seen her wear. 

Santana just can't be friends with Cruz because he's friends with Joe. But she's going riding alone. Not a smart move. 

CC wants Augusta to fire Joe. This is the same guy who is wearing too much eyeliner. It looks terrible. Augusta, "Rattle your sabers at the rest of the world, CC. You don’t scare me." 

Boy Mason hitting on the secretary is why we had to sit through so many videos at every job I've ever had. 

The teens tracking down Peaches lost sweetie was actually kind of sweet. 

I'm full of painkillers and am fading fast. 

Laken walks into Jade's dream career. That would sting.

 

[Shirlaine]

Episode 22:

- Kelly stretching; she is quite flexible!

- Sound technicians aren't very good at this point, as the fountain is loud when CC, Kelly and Peter talk (I have complained about this before, haven't I?)

- Lady Di & Charles's wedding mentioned!

- Santana acts childish and ridiculous, Cruz is great once again

- As if Jade didn't wake up when Ted and Laken were arguing next to her..

- Augusta asks the operator to try to reach someone but then hangs up?

- For me, looking for Jake Dodge was boring, like a filler storyline.

- Mason and Santana are a dangerous duo when it comes to messing with Joe.

- Did Mason sleep with his secretary because she looks like Santana? Were we supposed to draw this conclusion?

- Laken slapped Ted on the butt! :D

- Santana mentions carnations (later on, Peter the Carnation Killer..)

- What's with the scarfs? Were they fashionable back then?

- If Laken is of the right height and looks, why isn't Jade as they look quite the same?

 

Quotes:

Mason: Sarah?  Get me the file on the vice case

Sarah: Yours?

 

Augusta: It's the first time in my life I've been unfaithful in my marriage

YEAH, RIGHT!

 

Augusta to Joe: I can't help loving you

REALLY? OH, PLEASE.

 

Joe to Augusta: You're one sexy lady

YIKES!

 

About 1987, I wonder if Robin Mattson was away filming a movie (I checked IMDB and she made one that year) as she was away for a while. They explained it her going for a work gig somewhere far, ordered by Keith.

[Shirlaine]

Episode 23:

- Finally we see Lionel!

- The set where Santana is laying down looks just like that, a set

- Jade is so jealous it's annoying

- The scene in which Mason and Kelly walk through the Capwell mansion is nice. But why do the people always end up talking in front of the fountain..

 

Quotes:

Kelly: Daddy, Santana is missing

CC: What do you mean?

Kelly: She's missing

That must be one of my favourites so far. :D

 

Minx about Lionel: He sent me a coffin?!

 

Episode 24:

- Jade is so nosy and curious and Danny just keeps drooling after her

- Did Santana walk all night?

- Ah, Augusta talking about a floppy disk! And Lionel pulling her on his lap! :D

- What a static water there is behind Warren when he is talking to Lionel, his back towards the sea..

- CC just shoots at the direction of the snake and Santana is right next to it

- I was afraid that the poor CC will drop Santana when he was carrying her

- The make-up on Laken and Jade is.. wild. So Peaches was teaching them do this?

- It is nice to see Ted so happy and light-hearted, as 1986 and 1987 are such torture and gloom to him

- Poor Jake Dodge was left waiting behind the door

- Jade looks like a Barbie doll again

- CC and Santana's kiss.. nooooo..

 

Quotes:

Laken about being out with Ted all night: Oh, we didn't sleep all night

Danny about Ted: What a guy!

 

Jade: I'm a big girl, I can take care of myself

A while later she is calling Danny to come to rescue her..

 

[Bali]

On 5/19/2023 at 8:00 AM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 23:

- Finally we see Lionel!

- The set where Santana is laying down looks just like that, a set

- Jade is so jealous it's annoying

- The scene in which Mason and Kelly walk through the Capwell mansion is nice. But why do the people always end up talking in front of the fountain..

 

Quotes:

Kelly: Daddy, Santana is missing

CC: What do you mean?

Kelly: She's missing

That must be one of my favourites so far. :D

 

Minx about Lionel: He sent me a coffin

I wish Santana had stayed missing. 

The coffin was something I remembered from the first time. Still makes me laugh. Or it could be the painkillers which are definitely helping me.

At least Jade recognized that she's jealous and tries to overcome it. 

I'm tired of Laken whining about mom dating Joe Perkins. It also bugs me how overprotective Warren is with Augusta. I'm not even sure that's the right word. But Warren and Augusta don't have a normal relationship. 

Lionel's first line, "You have a gorgeous derriere." 

[cleo]

Beginning to find 1990 a slog. I'm just not into Kelly and Robert. 

The shaman stuff- the less said about that the better.

I'm so tired of Terry Lester. It's not personal, he's just not Mason and he has zero chemistry with NLG.

Yesterday I watched a 3rd Rock from the Sun ep and LD was on it. So nice to see.

[Bali]

On 5/19/2023 at 8:00 AM, Shirlaine said:

Episode 24:

- Jade is so nosy and curious and Danny just keeps drooling after her

- Did Santana walk all night?

- Ah, Augusta talking about a floppy disk! And Lionel pulling her on his lap! :D

- What a static water there is behind Warren when he is talking to Lionel, his back towards the sea..

- CC just shoots at the direction of the snake and Santana is right next to it

- I was afraid that the poor CC will drop Santana when he was carrying her

- The make-up on Laken and Jade is.. wild. So Peaches was teaching them do this?

- It is nice to see Ted so happy and light-hearted, as 1986 and 1987 are such torture and gloom to him

- Poor Jake Dodge was left waiting behind the door

- Jade looks like a Barbie doll again

- CC and Santana's kiss.. nooooo..

 

Quotes:

Laken about being out with Ted all night: Oh, we didn't sleep all night

Danny about Ted: What a guy!

 

Jade: I'm a big girl, I can take care of myself

A while later she is calling Danny to come to rescue her..

 

Peaches taught Jade and Lakin how to do punk makeup. She might have done similar makeup while fan dancing? The guys probably weren't looking at her makeup. 

CC and Santana. Ahhh. Nnnoooo! My eyes. My poor eyes. Frankly, he would have been better off if he'd shot her.

I still love Danny. But his dad, Rueben is a different story.

My husband was in the kitchen when Jade said she's a big girl, I can take care of myself. He yelled, "No, you're a little girl. And no you can't. How much trouble is she going to get in here?"

Lionel's floppy disk happens a bit later. ;)

[Bali]

On 5/23/2023 at 1:08 PM, cleo said:

Beginning to find 1990 a slog. I'm just not into Kelly and Robert. 

The shaman stuff- the less said about that the better.

I'm so tired of Terry Lester. It's not personal, he's just not Mason and he has zero chemistry with NLG.

Yesterday I watched a 3rd Rock from the Sun ep and LD was on it. So nice to see.

Yeah, that part was pretty hard to live through.

[Shirlaine]

It has been a busy week, two trips of which one made me particularly happy as I could meet my friends and visit my parents' grave. But no SB for a while. Finally, today, I had some time for the episodes! How is your knee situation Bali? Three episodes per day? :D

 

Episode 25:

- Of course we have to see that kiss again.. everything between CC and Santana is just so wrong. I can't imagine Jed Allen's CC behaving that way. All the hand-holding and stroking, whispering, flirting, puppy-like looks at each other.. yuck. Makes me so uncomfortable. And the whole scene with Santana, CC, Cruz and Santana's parents in the hospital room was so awkward.

- The old lady at the pool among the porn boys was somewhat disturbing.

- I can't stand Jade's behaviour. First she calls Danny for help and then tells him to leave. Argh! Doesn't Jade understand that there is no fastlane to the stardom?

- A nice detail to show Lionel through the mirror while Augusta was on the phone with Laken. And how sick was that when Augusta served the pidgeon to her family..

- It was funny when the nurse pulled the hospital bed from under Mason's and Peter's asses.

- Rosa was right in questioning Santana's motives concerning CC.

Quotes:

Santana to CC: I've been watching you.. riding, playing polo.

Santana to Rosa about CC: I'm not trying to manipulate him.

Yeah, right.

 

The 1987 episodes are getting more tolerable, or maybe it's the week off the show that makes it feel so. I do hate Elena. And I'm glad the Lucy storyline (girl who had been raped by her professor and came back to haunt her) is over. Ted and Hayley go round and round, nothing ever comes out of it. Keith is pathetic and Gina and Alex Nikolas have, well, some kind of a relationship. Eden is whining and Cain is being annoying. At least in two episodes, Kelly and Jeffrey will get close. Finally.

[Shirlaine]

A couple of questions about 1987/1988:

 

- When did Julia (and the rest of the world) find out about Chip being Cruz's son? Only when Chip needed the bone marrow?

- In a clip of the New Year's Eve 1987, Mason mentions that his parents and Kelly & Jeffrey know about Samantha's father. How did they find out about it?

- Was it ever explained in interviews etc. why the Utah storyline lasted so long? I'm in episode 719 and can't understand why this has to go on for over 30 more episodes. Were all the Utah scenes actually filmed in Utah?

[cleo]

I think I can only answer one question- yes Julia and others found out about Chip bc of the bone marrow storyline.

-I can't really recall how they found out about Samantha, but I don't think it was anything big or dramatic. I vaguely recall Eden (or Kelly?) - someone just guessing and Julia confirmed it but I don't know if that is accurate. But it was never a big plot line like the bone marrow thing. 

-Utah- I have no idea. It was too long and just awful all around. 

[Egg McMuffin]

Robin Wright’s attitude towards the show at times is like “Oh, I was just too good for that job.” Reminds me of Meg Ryan. I also think Robin exaggerated when it comes to how long they made her extend her contract due to her Princess Bride absence. She stated in a Yahoo interview from a couple of years ago that she had a two year contract and they made her extend another two years in order to do Princess Bride. I don’t think so. SB premiered in the summer of 1984 and Princess Bride didn’t start filming until late 1986. So if she indeed had a two year contract, it would have been up before Princess Bride started filming.

My guess is that she had a three year contract (which was standard for the time) and they tacked on an extra eight months in exchange for her four-month absence for Princess Bride. That’s not all that unreasonable, especially considering she was cast in the movie literally a week before filming started, so the SB writers likely had to make a Herculean effort at the last minute to change scripts to take Kelly out.

I will give her credit that in the same interview, she says the show was a good training ground. She comes across better than in previous interviews.

Mark Arnold, the second actor who played Joe, said she was a bit sour towards the show when he started because they fired her boyfriend, Dane Witherspoon.

On another note: the second CC, Paul Burke, was one of the most unsexy leading men on soaps ever.

The actress who first played Laken was pretty but was a charismatic black hole in every scene she appeared in.

Edited June 9, 2023 by Egg McMuffin

[cleo]

Yeah I'm not a fan of Robin Wright bc of her attitude. She wasn't too good to take the pay cheque. I don't respect her or her attitude.

But I've said this before lol. 

I'm watching 1990. I'm guessing Cassie wasn't too popular when she started? 

I wondered if her intention was too split Julia and Mason right at the get go or whether it was gradual. I think initially she wasn't thinking of it, but then it was obvious there was a wedge and she used it.

But really I'm.mostly irritated at Terry Lester. He is not my Mason lol. Cheating on Julia and then lying to her about Capwell Oasis. Was original recipe Mason that much of an asshole where Julia was concerned? I don't think so.

The actor playing Dash is a good actor and attractive, it's a shame they made him a rapist.

[Shirlaine]

Cleo, maybe this consoles you a bit: check the episode 723, around 12:50-13:45. Lane's Mason at his best. :D

[Bali]

On 6/2/2023 at 1:44 PM, Shirlaine said:

It has been a busy week, two trips of which one made me particularly happy as I could meet my friends and visit my parents' grave. But no SB for a while. Finally, today, I had some time for the episodes! How is your knee situation Bali? Three episodes per day? :D

 

Episode 25:

- Of course we have to see that kiss again.. everything between CC and Santana is just so wrong. I can't imagine Jed Allen's CC behaving that way. All the hand-holding and stroking, whispering, flirting, puppy-like looks at each other.. yuck. Makes me so uncomfortable. And the whole scene with Santana, CC, Cruz and Santana's parents in the hospital room was so awkward.

- The old lady at the pool among the porn boys was somewhat disturbing.

- I can't stand Jade's behaviour. First she calls Danny for help and then tells him to leave. Argh! Doesn't Jade understand that there is no fastlane to the stardom?

- A nice detail to show Lionel through the mirror while Augusta was on the phone with Laken. And how sick was that when Augusta served the pidgeon to her family..

- It was funny when the nurse pulled the hospital bed from under Mason's and Peter's asses.

- Rosa was right in questioning Santana's motives concerning CC.

Quotes:

Santana to CC: I've been watching you.. riding, playing polo.

Santana to Rosa about CC: I'm not trying to manipulate him.

Yeah, right.

 

The 1987 episodes are getting more tolerable, or maybe it's the week off the show that makes it feel so. I do hate Elena. And I'm glad the Lucy storyline (girl who had been raped by her professor and came back to haunt her) is over. Ted and Hayley go round and round, nothing ever comes out of it. Keith is pathetic and Gina and Alex Nikolas have, well, some kind of a relationship. Eden is whining and Cain is being annoying. At least in two episodes, Kelly and Jeffrey will get close. Finally.

Knee replacements are extraordinarily painful. I sleep a lot more than I thought I would. I'm not looking forward to going through it again. I'm getting whiney. 

So about episode 25:

The pigeon is something I remembered from my childhood. I'm not sure why this stuck with me, but it did. Augusta was just so proud of herself. The thing is, for the life of me, I can't see Augusta killing and defeathering a bird of any sort. 

Cruz and Santana at the hospital was weird, and Rueben came off as a stuffed shirt. Rosa questioning Santana was dead on the money.

Jade is very immature, it's true. But so are most 17 year olds. She hasn't even started her senior year yet. She's also a virgin who is playing like she isn't. 

Granny the lemonade lady was extremely disturbing and the whole thing is pretty gross.

On to 26!

[cleo]

The pigeon thing is from Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, and it was better done and more fitting in that circumstance. 

It irritates me for some reason that they mimicked it on SB.

[WendyCR72]

I don't recall how the rest of the Capwells found out about Mason being Samantha's father, but Kelly and Jeffrey found out when Mason was kidnapped by Elena, and Julia/Jeffrey/Kelly were somehow involved in looking for Mason.

I recall Jeffrey was driving and Kelly was going on about Mason gushing about Samantha and Kelly seemed curious, then Julia started to cry, and Kelly put 2 and 2 together.

I recall Jeffrey sort of smiling/laughing after Kelly did so, saying, "I'm an uncle and didn't even know it!"

[Shirlaine]

Episode 26:

- I'm glad Laken stands up against her mother and Lionel orders Augusta to leave!

- Danny rehearsing with Laken is awkward. Also, the kissing sounds that Laken makes are awful

- Mason is disgusting for trying to benefit from Laken

- Good for Danny to concentrate on the electronic game (does anyone know what game it is, btw? Can't recognize it but I love retro electronic games), but bad for him to finally give up and try to approach Jade. And Jade is stupid to lead him on.

- Laken has a point in that Lionel should stay at home with his loved ones more

- Lionel "beating" Augusta and forcing himself to kiss her.. not very acceptable nowadays, I would think

- The phone call between Mason and the Lockridges is funny, otherwise the episode wasn't very interesting.

- When Joe is on the phone, he looks like he's wearing eyeliner

 

Episode 27:

- Lionel's hat is funny

- Again, Jade teases Danny although she doesn't want him

- The scene with the two patriarchs standing next to each other was probably meant to seem serious but I thought it was pretentious and comic

- I hate Lionel talking crap and not getting into the point. I would be as irritated as CC

 

Quotes:

Mason to Peter: Lionel, do you know him?

Peter: Just slightly

Mason: Not quite the same way you know Augusta. Let's all be grateful for that

 

Mason to Peter: Don't be such a boy scout

Peter: I'm not a boy scout

Mason: I second that

 

About 1987.. no, no, no, no, no! So much is wrong! I know the later years will have worse storylines but still, no!

- The endless did he/didn't he kill Elizabeth of Kelly and Jeffrey. I loved these two at the beginning, but first the whole revenge on CC thing caused endless fights between them and now the whole first wife case. And the indian chasing them naturally makes Kelly to believe Jeffrey wants to kill her. Argh!

- The baby stealing storyline. This seems also lasting forever, Brick is an ass towards Jane and blames her, everyone is investigating the disappearance of Johnny, Keith tries to cover up his part in the baby selling business (by forcing Paul Marshall to give a false destimony), Victoria is a nervous wreck, and Mason, of course, captured by the indian. I really, really hate Keith's character now. Yes, he often does things which are in the grey area, but this is too much.

- The endless "sign this or you'll be dead - and when you sign, you'll be dead" -game between Mason and the thugs.

- Cain ending up being a sadistic abuser; locking Eden inside the cabin, locking her inside the closet, tying her hand into the bed, forcing himself on her (well, luckily only kissing but still).. getting in rage, going to try to kill Cruz.. I mean, I liked Cain later on and especially with Andrea, but I didn't remember he was a sick bastard. I can't understand how the writers justified writing Eden wanting him to stay at the Capwell mansion helping her.

- And then there's Elena. I really can't stand her, smiling and lying constantly and throwing herself on Cruz. And in an episode I watched yesterday, Cruz kissed her! I kind of like Elena as a bad guy but I can't stand the way she is with Cruz or rather, that they wrote him to take her into his life. And I can't stand Cruz's sister Carmen. Cruz should have sent her back as she is out of control and also interferes with his love life.

There is so much wrong in the episodes around 700-750. Too much happening to everyone, problems last way too long. But guess what? Yesterday I watched the episode 753 and Eden is free from Cain, on her way to Santa Barbara. Finally! I know Cain will kidnap her etc., but NO.MORE.THAT.CABIN. 

[cleo]

Elena is good as a villain but I think 1987 sucks.

For me once Elena was dead the show mostly sucked until Robert comes in 1990.

[WendyCR72]

Rest in peace, Nicolas Coster (Lionel Lockridge). 😢

[CanaryFan98]

I know he was on Santa Barbara(of which I have a vague memory of) but he'll always be Blair Warner's dad to me from the Facts of Life.

[Irlandesa]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Rest in peace, Nicolas Coster (Lionel Lockridge). 😢

I loved Lionel.  (But I also thought he was already dead.)