Nashville Spoilers and Speculation

[madam magpie]

It also wouldn't work. Markus would probably back away, he might throw a tantrum, and the album could falter. This is Rayna's job, getting music made. She's not sleeping with him, I suspect she's not sending him naked pictures or dreamy texts about how fun it would be to run off together. She's just not shutting him down when he reaches out to her and she smiles at him and is friendly. Big frakkin deal. A woman smiling at a man isn't open season for sex. Also, what do his texts even say?? Because if they're as innocuous as the one that ended the last show, Deacon is REALLY being an asshole.

[airwair]

It's a 40 second clip (that wasn't even finished) of a 45 minute episode. I'm going to reserve my judgment until I see the big picture.

[Clemgo3165]

Oh Deacon, you had to go there, didn't ya? LOL, loved Rayna's reactions, first the laugh and then the "excuse me?" Just perfect. And I liked that Deacon didn't yell, that made me happy.

 

I'm 100% sure that Markus wants to sleep with Rayna and 100% sure that Rayna doesn't want to sleep with him, but I don't think she's past using that to get his album finished. I would were I in her shoes - you can catch more flies with honey, right? 

 

I don't know what the texts say, but if she's constantly texting with him while she's supposed to be with her family, that's a problem. Markus should respect her time (not likely) and Rayna should put her foot down about that. I can kind of see why Deacon is upset if she's not being clear with her boundaries, but he shouldn't be insinuating that she's interested.

[airwair]

There's a shot in the promo of Markus leaning in a doorway shirtless or wearing an open robe or something.

I'm wondering if this argument is before or after she finds herself in that particular situation.

[Clemgo3165]

I'd bet before.

[airwair]

Probably.

[madam magpie]

Oh Deacon, you had to go there, didn't ya? LOL, loved Rayna's reactions, first the laugh and then the "excuse me?" Just perfect.

Yah. This alone makes it all OK for me. She so obviously thinks the whole thing is ridiculous...and it is! Until Deacon implies she's asking for it. I loved how her expression and tone changed immediately. No way would Rayna just take that. So yay.

Markus is so gross. I keep thinking that robe/beads thing has to be a fake out, but maybe not. Maybe he just answers the door like that or something, which would be hilarious.

Edited December 1, 2015 by madam magpie

[Sutton]

Maybe not interested but maybe she is very, very flattered that Markus would be interested in an older woman. If Rayna doesn't set the boundaries with Markus then he will continue to do whatever he wants because he is the type of guy that thinks the rules of proper behavior don't apply to him.

If Deacon made the comment that she might be interested (bad word choice ) but with all the years he's waited for her and now see the flirting and constant texting kind of took him by surprise that Rayna didn't put a stop to it. Is that what you have to do to get an album produced is flirt and loose your self pride, lower your standards of respect as a woman. There are boundaries in life some people follow them and those who think they don't have too, Markus is one of those people.

[madam magpie]

I don't think it's Rayna's responsibility to rein Markus in. It's her responsibility to get his album finished. She owes Deacon fidelity and compassion, but she's not responsible for how other people behave. If Rayna feels like Markus has stepped over the line, she can decide how to handle that. If Deacon feels Markus has stepped over the line, he has a right to say that to Rayna, but she's not obligated to jump just because Deacon says so, especially when he insults her in the process. Rayna can make her own decisions.

If Deacon genuinely thinks she's interested in someone else, they've got huge problems. If he doesn't, he shouldn't imply that Markus wants to sleep with her because Rayna is leading the guy on. Markus wants to sleep with Rayna because she's awesome and gorgeous. I think it's entirely up to her, not Deacon, to decide whether or not she's willing to use that to get Markus to do what she needs him to do. I don't think she's lowering herself to anything. I think she's doing her job. It would be nice if her fella would support her in that. Probably he will in the end. Deacon's usually a pretty good partner to Rayna. Fingers crossed.

Edited December 1, 2015 by madam magpie

[airwair]

I don't think it's at all about how awesome or gorgeous or amazing she is. I think she's a conquest to serve his overhyped ego.

Rayna is not innocent here. Is Deacon being an ass? Probably, but again I'm going to wait until the broader picture has been revealed because a 40 second clip that's doctored for shock value does nothing for me.

What I am sure of is Clemgo is on the money when saying Rayna has to set boundaries. When Markus is impacting her off time and her time with her family, it's a problem.

I also agree with SUtton that albums can be made without checking your integrity at the door. A stronger woman, in my opinion, would be able to have enough of a handle on her position to assert the necessary lines in a way that didn't send Markus whining and running off to the next highest bidder. Or probably would've found a way to save her label without signing someone like Markus to begin with, but that's another issue.

I'm hoping like hell she goes to see Markus after the fight with Deacon and he's all shirtless and cocky and she realizes that on some level his behavior is not appropriate for a working relationship.

Edited December 2, 2015 by airwair

[madam magpie]

A stronger woman?? Man, this is why women always get the shaft. Rayna's working with a jerk who wants to sleep with her, her boyfriend/fiance/whatever is jealous because (I suspect) he has unresolved issues, and the women jump on board that Rayna is compromising her integrity and has got to set some better boundaries. As though she's somehow responsible for what Markus thinks or does. Unless her feelings and actions change dramatically, she's set the only boundary that matters: she doesn't want Markus and has no intention of sleeping with him. If other parts of the working relationship upset Deacon, they should definitely talk about it and try to find the middle ground. But dayum. So far, Rayna's done nothing but talk to, laugh with, and text a guy at work. It's 2015, y'all. That's allowed now. Gals can even show some knee these days without being responsible for the poor horny guys who can't control themselves!

Edited December 2, 2015 by madam magpie

[airwair]

It's been established that Rayna came up in the industry without selling her soul. We've been led to believe that she was able to make it without sitting on Santa's lap or pulling producers into broom closets or sleeping with guitarists to entice them to come on the road.

If even Juliette can set Charlie Wentworth straight because she's dating Avery, I don't see why it's the end of the world to think Rayna could manage to get an album done without having to flirt with this clown.

[madam magpie]

Sitting on Santa's lap, pulling producers into broom closets, and sleeping with guitarists are the same as TALKING to someone?? You drive a chaste bargain for the women of the world.

I suspect Rayna will eventually set Markus straight. She usually caves when Deacon is hurting. But the issue is that it's up to Rayna to identify the line, not Deacon, especially if he's going to insult her.

Also, for the record, sleeping with a guitarist got her pretty far, actually.

Edited December 2, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

If the person you're working with is dumping songs a week before an album's release and seemingly texting you so much that your family is getting the shaft, then it's time to set some boundaries. Strong women stand up for themselves and protect what they value most.

Rayna's in a tough situation with this guy and I don't blame her for a little harmless flirting to get the job done, but she has to draw the line somewhere before things get out of hand. I can see why Deacon would react the way he does, even if his comment about her intentions is completely undeserved.

No, she's not responsible for what Markus thinks or does, but she can and should tell him that he's crossed a line if he's done that.

[madam magpie]

If the person you're working with is dumping songs a week before an album's release and seemingly texting you so much that your family is getting the shaft, then it's time to set some boundaries. Strong women stand up for themselves and protect what they value most.

Rayna's in a tough situation with this guy and I don't blame her for a little harmless flirting to get the job done, but she has to draw the line somewhere before things get out of hand. I can see why Deacon would react the way he does, even if his comment about her intentions is completely undeserved.

No, she's not responsible for what Markus thinks or does, but she can and should tell him that he's crossed a line if he's done that.

Except for last season when she was a pod person, when has Rayna ever not done this? That's my issue. So far, she's talked, texted, and laughed with a man who isn't Deacon. That's it. She's had trouble with Markus the diva since day one. And yet she lacks integrity now? Because poor little Deacon's man feelings are hurting. What??

I work in publishing, not music production, but dropping or rewriting a story or chapter right before going to press and then hand-holding the writer to get the book done is basically my every day. So we're all compromising our integrity, lacking boundaries, and not strong women if we smile, laugh, and take lots of texts at home to make that happen? Again...what?? My job wouldn't get done if I followed that rule. I suspect Rayna's wouldn't either. Blaming her for the fact that Markus doesn't want to keep it in his pants is mind blowing to me, but it is what women, in business especially, deal with daily. So maybe I should say, "Well played, show."

Edited December 2, 2015 by madam magpie

[pattycat]

Let's face it, Guys, Lord love them, are, kind of Dogs :-)

It also takes them all of about 10 seconds to spot Dog behavior, in another Guy!

If I started working overnight with a guy, he and I were exchanging texts, in my off time, no matter how innocuous, pretty sure my SO would bring it up. He's a pretty mellow guy, I suspect he'd go for a bit more finesse than Deacon, I can imagine something like "You know Joe Blow is hot for you and somehow, he seems to have the impression that you're OK with his behavior. I know it's innocent, but, he might not, you don't want it don't want it getting messy!

[Sutton]

Deacon has been in the Country Music business 30 plus years and I'm sure he can spot as PATTYCAT posted true words "Let's face it, Guys, Lord love them, are, kind of Dogs" "It also takes them all of about 10 seconds to spot Dog behavior, on another. Guy!" I bet Deacon nailed Markus as one a few seconds after meeting him. Markus texting Rayna late at night when she's having family time is going over the line and he knows it. He's the kind of person that thinks rules don't apply to him.

Great back and forth comments posters, haven't been this interested in watching tomorrows episode in a long time.

[pattycat]

Rayna is a beautiful, talented, smart, successful woman. She has spent her entire life, in an industry, where some flirting is quite normal, and often, is

Lighthearted and meaningless..a little mutual ego stroking. Maybe a way to make the day Go a little smother.

Problems happen, when someone is playing with their own agenda.Thinking Markus is a someone!

[Clemgo3165]

Except for last season when she was a pod person, when has Rayna ever not done this? That's my issue. So far, she's talked, texted, and laughed with a man who isn't Deacon. That's it. She's had trouble with Markus the diva since day one. And yet she lacks integrity now? Because poor little Deacon's man feelings are hurting. What??

I work in publishing, not music production, but dropping or rewriting a story or chapter right before going to press and then hand-holding the writer to get the book done is basically my every day. So we're all compromising our integrity, lacking boundaries, and not strong women if we smile, laugh, and take lots of texts at home to make that happen? Again...what?? My job wouldn't get done if I followed that rule. I suspect Rayna's wouldn't either. Blaming her for the fact that Markus doesn't want to keep it in his pants is mind blowing to me, but it is what women, in business especially, deal with daily. So maybe I should say, "Well played, show."

I don't think she's done anything to show a lack of integrity at this point, and I doubt she does tomorrow, but judging from the promos it sure seems like something's going down with Markus. We don't know yet what sets Deacon off, but have been lead to believe from the promos that Markus is pushing his boundaries with Rayna and perhaps pushing Deacon's buttons at the same time. So my comments are coming from the promo and other spoilers that go beyond what we've already seen on screen. We won't know for sure how it all plays out until tomorrow.

I'm certainly not blaming her for Markus' apparent ardor, but I'm a believer in boundaries when it comes to work. I'm in fundraising, so I don't have the immediate pressures that you face to do your job. But I do have a Director who can only do things at the last minute and who usually resorts to emergency emails while I'm on vacation - for things that aren't at all emergent. I've had to set boundaries with her for my own health and sanity, and to protect my valued free time. As the old adage goes, "a failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."

As a label head Rayna would have fires to put out at odd hours and those times when she's going to need to be in the studio with one of her artists well into the night. But here she is talked into producing an album, something she's never done before, because she'll to anything to keep Markus happy to protect her label. And seemingly, from spoilers, the text messages become a problem tomorrow night when she could easily set a time with Markus when she'll no longer be responding. And I think that Rayna's flirtatiousness may seem to Markus like he has her right where he wants her. It's a way to get the job done to Rayna, but maybe a way to manipulate his label head to Markus.

Markus has a big ego and insists on getting everything he wants - and apparently he succeeds in getting those demands met more often than not. And I'm pretty sure it's Rayna he wants and he's going to manipulate the situation to the best of his ability to ensure that happens. I don't think Deacon's wrong in pointing that out. He's wrong to make insinuations of HER intentions, but I don't think he's wrong to point out Markus'.

[madam magpie]

Clemgo: Deacon is 100% right about Markus, I have no doubt. I was fairly certain that Markus was into Rayna from the moment she started talking to him on the plane, and she's been using that to stroke his ego ever since in an effort to get what she wants. She may also kind of like him now after the humanizing conversation they had about Maddie, and she probably thinks he's super talented. I see nothing wrong with any of that. I certainly don't think it's anywhere near comparable to sleeping her way up, grinding on a DJ's lap, etc. (Though to be clear, I wouldn't care if she did that either.) They're both playing a game. So far, Rayna seems to be in control, and I have no doubt that if Markus actually stepped over a line (kissed her, touched her, professed his love for her, opened the door wearing hippie beads and a pimp robe and offered her his bed), she would shut him down. In fact, she did that already. When he got too close to her last week and lingered holding her hand, she pulled away and said she needed to go home. It's RAYNA who gets to decide where the line is, not her boyfriend/fiance/husband/whatever Deacon is. If Deacon doesn't trust her to do that, they have a huge problem.

 

Deacon is the one who is not in control. He doesn't like Rayna spending time with Markus, I suspect he doesn't like them making music together, he feels left out and worried and sad because he loves her so much and has lost her so often, etc. But he can't solve that problem by controling Rayna or Markus. And while he's trying to do that, I'm certainly not going to feel bad for poor Deacon who basically implied that his soon-to-be wife (a woman who was probably more faithful to him in some ways than to the man she initially married) is kind of a harlot who leads Markus on and strings him along for her own gain. Ew, dude. No way. Once again, I say, "F***you, Deacon" until he shapes up, cries about how sad he is, and they hug (or sex) it out.

 

I also absolutely do not believe men are dogs. I think that's an insulting stereotype used to excuse bad behavior. The implication is that if Markus can't control his douchebaggery because he's just a man, neither can Deacon. And while I do recognize that Deacon was kind of a manwhore when he couldn't have Rayna, he doesn't have a track record of being a dog. There's no genetic component to male DNA that says they have to be creepy weirdos who leer at women and have no respect for existing relationships, but I digress.

Edited December 2, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

 

Deacon is 100% right about Markus, I have no doubt. I was fairly certain that Markus was into Rayna from the moment she started talking to him on the plane, and she's been using that to stroke his ego ever since in an effort to get what she wants. She may also kind of like him now after the humanizing conversation they had about Maddie, and she probably thinks he's super talented. I see nothing wrong with any of that. I certainly don't think it's anywhere near comparable to sleeping her way up, grinding on a DJ's lap, etc. (Though to be clear, I wouldn't care if she did that either.)

 

I never said that what she's done thus far was comparable to those things, I don't think she's done anything wrong at this point either and I said so in my post. I would think less of Rayna if she had slept her way to the top though - glad she didn't.

 

 

It's RAYNA who gets to decide where the line is, not her boyfriend/fiance/husband/whatever Deacon is. If Deacon doesn't trust her to do that, they have a huge problem.

 

As her SO I do think Deacon has a right to say when he's uncomfortable with the situation. Suppose Markus is not only grabbing her hands, but touching her hair and letting his hand rest on her butt - and Rayna isn't bothered by that but Deacon is. Doesn't he have the right to say so? Doesn't he have the right to ask what's going on? Of course she has the right to show him the door too, but they are supposed to be partners and if your partner is telling you that he's not comfortable with someone who is taking liberties at work then you might want to hear them out. Deacon DOES need to work on making that a conversation rather than an accusation.

 

 

Deacon is the one who is not in control. He doesn't like Rayna spending time with Markus, I suspect he doesn't like them making music together, he feels left out and worried and sad because he loves her so much and has lost her so often, etc. But he can't solve that problem by controling Rayna or Markus. And while he's trying to do that, I'm certainly not going to feel bad for poor Deacon who basically implied that his soon-to-be wife (a woman who was probably more faithful to him in some ways than to the man she initially married) is kind of a harlot who leads Markus on and strings him along for her own gain. Ew, dude. No way. Once again, I say, "F***you, Deacon" until he shapes up, cries about how sad he is, and they hug (or sex) it out.

 

Deacon doesn't seem to be out of control to me and he hasn't given any indication of having issues with her working with Markus up until this promo. He hasn't said he feels left out or even indicated that he does, and I don't think he's trying to control her. He's angry because it looks to him as if Markus is crossing some boundaries with Rayna and she's apparently letting him. He may also be worried about losing her since she went to him to talk when he wasn't there last week.

 

It was a sucker punch to imply that she was leading him on, but I didn't get "harlot" from that. He's wondering when she's gonna shut him down. She flat out laughs when Deacon says Markus wants to sleep with her - how does she not know that? I think Markus has been plenty clear about that.

 

 

I also absolutely do not believe men are dogs. I think that's an insulting stereotype used to excuse bad behavior. The implication is that if Markus can't control his douchebaggery because he's just a man, neither can Deacon. And while I do recognize that Deacon was kind of a manwhore when he couldn't have Rayna, he doesn't have a track record of being a dog. There's no genetic component to male DNA that says they have to be creepy weirdos who leer at women and have no respect for existing relationships, but I digress.

 

I never said this either.

[madam magpie]

You didn't, but it came up in the thread.

I'm going to agree to disagree on this because on the one hand, of course Deacon has the right to express when he's upset. But the larger issue for me is that I really think it's awful that Rayna is even considered mildly at fault here. This is the kind of subtle slut-shaming and guilt-pushing that women get all the time. From where I sit, she's done absolutely nothing wrong, not even a little bit. She's pretty, confident, and a little flirty. That's it. I don't think that means her man has the right to say or imply that she's asking for it and behaving in a way that's unfaithful to their relationship. (And I do think that's exactly what he threw at her.) But who knows...maybe this week she'll strip down to her underwear while she's producing and give Deacon something legitimate to be upset about. I still hope she grinds Markus next week in retaliation, though.

Also, to clarify, I didn't mean Deacon was out of control, I meant he was not the one in control of the situation. Rayna is, and he has to trust her to control it. That's hard for a lot of people to do, men in particular, but certainly women as well.

Edited December 2, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

I think that's the gist of it for Deacon. That the situation seems out of control to him and he's wondering why she's not controlling it. It may be a simple difference of opinion as to where the boundaries are or should be. It could also be that Markus is making his intentions pretty clear and Rayna is either ignoring it (thinking she just has to get through another week) or hasn't really noticed it. I guess we'll see.

 

FWIW I don't consider it slut-shaming to think that a woman (or a man for that matter) should set some boundaries when a co-worker is crossing the line. I don't think Deacon needs to tell her she's asking for it either, but pointing out that Markus wants to sleep with her isn't the same thing and I don't see that part as shaming her at all, particularly if she's not seeing it.

 

And I agree, as I've said before, that Rayna hasn't done anything wrong at this point. She's getting the job done and she probably thought she was making a breakthrough in her talk with Markus last week, until the lingering hand-hold anyway. We'll see what happens this week!!

[pattycat]

My guys are Dogs, was a failed attempt, at a little tongue in cheek humor.

I need to remember, that doesn't translate well, on line.

The vast majority of guys that I know, are Great. I work with more men than women, and enjoy it a lot.

I don't think Rayna's done anything wrong, either. I dont think, Deacon was suggesting she had any interest in Marcus, I don't see it as slut shaming, I basically think, he was suggesting, and certainly could've done so better, that she needed to set some stronger

boundaries.

I'm very interested to see how this sets up and plays out. Is Deacon letting his own insecurity, lead to this jealousy, or did Marcus go out of his way, to push his buttons?

[Sutton]

I just watched the sneak peek and I have to say it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. Deacon is very angry, he says "He wants to sleep with you" Rayna has a smile on her face which makes me believe she has no clue. (I think) "Where is this coming from?" "No, guy constantly texts some woman he doesn't want to sleep with, unless he might have a pretty good shot at sleeping with her." I have to say Deacon is right on with that comment. "Rayna, I beg your pardon""He's out of line""Your out of line" "He is""I'm trying to find out when the hell are you gonna tell him that." Rayna's face ( both Connie and Chip have great facial expression) in that scene looks like she has no clue or maybe that light bulb has finally lite up. I guess the scene ends there and Deacon leaves?

 

I haven't been this anxious to see an episode since season 1 first half of 2. I like their confrontation because both know how to push each others button and they don't stay angry with each other for very long because Deacon or Rayna will say "I'm sorry" and make it right again with each other. These two working off each other can be one hell of a series because they are both committed to music. I wish the series would have more of them writing, singing again together that was the best of season 1.

[Clemgo3165]

I'd love to see them working on that album they talked about last season.

[Kathemy]

I know this won't be a popular comment but I would not mind if Rayna never sang another song on the show. That obviously won't happen but Connie's strengths lie in her being an actress and not a singer. Ideally I'd want to cut Layla's material in half and give all those songs to Scarlett and Gunnar. Then they could cut all of Luke's material and give all those songs to Maddie and Avery.

 

The show has some impressive singers but they seem scared of using them.

[Sutton]

Connie knows that she's not a strong singer (she has always said that herself)but when she sings with Chip and with all the equipment they have in a recording studio she sounds okay to me. This series lost its way after season 1 & 2 not many songs or duets with those impressive singers they have maybe we will see more now.

[madam magpie]

I'm of the opinion that Connie can do whatever she wants, and I'll happily watch. I think she sings just fine. "Buried Under" is probably my favorite song of the series.

[Sutton]

My 3 favorites The River Between Us, Know One Will Ever Love You, and the short version of Postcard from Mexico. I wish the series would have let them sing Postcards from beginning to end.

[Clemgo3165]

I love their duets and love them writing together, but most of all I love the chemistry between Connie and Chip and would happily watch them clean the house or buy groceries

[Clemgo3165]

Ugh. Stupid promo monkeys. What the hell was that?

I know it'll be different than it looked, the same way this week was, but I think I've got that stupid kiss burned into my retinas. I just don't think Rayna would do that.

[Kathemy]

My comment wasn't meant to convey the idea that "Connie can't sing". Of course she can sing. It's just I think she's much better as an actress and the show has some stellar singers. So if they chose not to use Connie much for singing and instead gave more material to others I'd be fine with it. 

[Sutton]

She saw it coming and didn't even put her hand up to stop it and she closed her eyes. Maybe she did push him away after the kiss but to me I think she wanted it. Sorry, but I side with Deacon on this. As much as I want them to be together she just crossed the line. I wonder how she would feel if the roles were reversed and a woman was making a big play for Deacon after working with him on stage. I know it's a promo and it probably will be different next week but that's the last episode and were going to have to wait until February/March to see what happened.

[madam magpie]

A guy she doesn't want to sleep with kisses her out of nowhere and it's RAYNA who crossed the line?? This is exactly what I'm talking about. In the episode Deacon shamed her into feeling bad enough that she actually went over to Markus's place and said she was sorry for leading him on. Then Markus shames her by acting like she's nuts and being stupid for saying something. Then the audience shames her when the douchebag actually touches her without her consent. And I'm sure Deacon and his poor baby man feelings will jump on board and give her crap for the fact that Markus thought it was OK to put his hands on a woman who just this week told him no. I don't actually know what y'all call slut shaming and blatant sexism if it ain't that.

My guess is that either Markus kisses her on the cheek as people do, or Rayna is too surprised to react quickly enough for poor, poor Deacon's liking. No matter that she's made it crystal clear what her relationship is and who she wants. Of course this all makes her the tramp because dayum....she's clearly asking for it by celebrating a work victory and like, giving Markus a high five. Come on, people. Let's catch up with the year we're in here.

Edited December 3, 2015 by madam magpie

[Kathemy]

Going to reserve judgment on it but Markus does kiss Rayna on the mouth and it doesn't look very unwelcome to me, but of course the actual episode could twist that another way.

[madam magpie]

Well, of course not. The woman always wants it. It's always her responsibility. Give me a break. The only appropriate response here is, "Holy crap! Markus is a total douchebag! Just this week Rayna told him no. How dare he do that." But no, it's her fault. Damn hussy. I don't know why I'm surprised, but I am. This is ridiculous.

Edited December 3, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

I actually went and paused the promo because I just don't think Rayna would do that. But the kiss in the promo is full, lips locked, his hand on her face, and her eyes closed. She even leans into it. That may be celebrating a work victory but that's not how I usually do it.

But again, this just doesn't read like Rayna to me. She never did that to anyone else and especially after this week I think she'd be sensitive to that. Maybe the kiss is all in Markus' mind?

[Kathemy]

I'm not in the business of placing blame here, I just think it's a god-awful storyline.

 

It's pretty weird when you've come to the stage where I'm starting to think that the eternal on-off-fling between Scarlett and Gunnar is the healthiest relationship on the show.

[madam magpie]

Maybe, Clemgo, but more likely she's high on the great show, maybe a little tipsy and slow, and feels confident that he knows where she stands...you know, since she flat-out told him this week and set the clear boundary like you all demanded. So she thinks he's going to hug her or something, then he kisses her, she's caught off guard and doesn't pull away immediately. The fact y'all can't even see that scenario is mind blowing to me. Yes, this is Nashville and they do insane things. So either they're doing something so nuts as to drive their audience away for no reason OR we aren't seeing the whole story. But what everyone immediately jumps to is that Rayna's asking for it? Good Lord. GOOD LORD. I've certainly, hugged, high-fived, and celebrated with champagne with married men at work. If one of them kissed me, I'd be stunned, probably into paralysis. But apparently I'd also be a cheater by the standards of the people on this board. Rayna should get to assume that by being clear she's safe from Markus's ickiness. She didn't even totally buy it this week and only said something because Deacon made her feel guilty. She's not expecting Markus to kiss her. I don't care how slow she is to react. It's not her responsibility to rein him in. It's MARKUS'S responsibility to keep his hands and lips off of women who told him no. And holy hell, it's her guy's responsibility to stand with her when a douchebag does something like that to her.

Edited December 3, 2015 by madam magpie

[DeLurker]

I actually went and paused the promo because I just don't think Rayna would do that. But the kiss in the promo is full, lips locked, his hand on her face, and her eyes closed. She even leans into it. That may be celebrating a work victory but that's not how I usually do it.

But again, this just doesn't read like Rayna to me. She never did that to anyone else and especially after this week I think she'd be sensitive to that. Maybe the kiss is all in Markus' mind?

You'll never get anywhere with that mindset!

 

I'm hoping it is some horrible dream sequence - well, nightmare.

[Ashley87]

For me, everything rests on her reaction to this kiss, but as it stands, it's hard to see how she can come out of it unscathed when we can see her leaning into it and closing her eyes, because that is not the response of someone who is rejecting an advance. After all, she can hardly act shocked and annoyed when she is clearly participating in the kiss. I just don't get it. I can see her laughing and making light of it, but I don't know. I suppose we will just have to wait and see how it plays out. But this sort of confirms what Riley Smith was saying to the AfterBuzz girls. Yeh, my only hope is that Marcus is dreaming it!

[Kathemy]

What did he say, pray tell.

[Clemgo3165]

Maybe, Clemgo, but more likely she's high on the great show, maybe a little tipsy and slow, and feels confident that he knows where she stands...you know, since she flat-out told him this week and set the clear boundary like you all demanded. So she thinks he's going to hug her or something, then he kisses her, she's caught off guard and doesn't pull away immediately. The fact y'all can't even see that scenario is mind blowing to me. Yes, this is Nashville and they do insane things. So either they're doing something so nuts as to drive their audience away for no reason OR we aren't seeing the whole story. But what everyone immediately jumps to is that Rayna's asking for it? Good Lord. GOOD LORD. I've certainly, hugged, high-fived, and celebrated with champagne with married men at work. If one of them kissed me, I'd be stunned, probably into paralysis. But apparently I'd also be a cheater by the standards of the people on this board. Rayna should get to assume that by being clear she's safe from Markus's ickiness. She didn't even totally buy it this week and only said something because Deacon made her feel guilty. She's not expecting Markus to kiss her. I don't care how slow she is to react. It's not her responsibility to rein him in. It's MARKUS'S responsibility to keep his hands and lips off of women who told him no. And holy hell, it's her guy's responsibility to stand with her when a douchebag does something like that to her.

 

We're definitely not seeing the whole story, it's a promo after all. But I think the reason people aren't seeing her being caught off guard is because it doesn't look as though she is. Caught up in the moment maybe, but definitely not caught off guard. I could see your scenario happening, I'd even buy it given Markus' douchiness and obvious attempt to come between D/R, and if that's how it goes down I'll be good. 

 

Probably Deacon will walk up there just at the moment of the kiss and he'll miss the part where Rayna puts him in his place - that or he'll step in to beat the tar out of Markus  - and wouldn't that be fun ;) This couldn't be any more of a soap cliche if they tried. I'm becoming exhausted of the whole thing. Why can't any of the grown ups on this show interact with the people they love like grown ups do?

[Ashley87]

Telepath. As I posted last week, Riley was on the AfterBuzz podcast and the girls were visualising various scenarios between Marcus and Rayna - one suggested she kisses him and then realises it was a mistake and Riley did nothing to disabuse them of their ideas, just said that they were a little bit right. I just got the impression that something was going to happen and it seems that it does. Like I said, for me it all hangs on how Rayna reacts after the kiss. We shall just have to be patient and wait til next week. I'm just hoping it's not as bad as it looks in the promo and she smacks his smarmy smug face!

[madam magpie]

Probably Deacon will walk up there just at the moment of the kiss and he'll miss the part where Rayna puts him in his place - that or he'll step in to beat the tar out of Markus - and wouldn't that be fun ;)

I'm not so much into beating people up, but if Deacon's going to embody backward, caveman tendencies, yes, I do wish he'd defend Rayna instead of blame her.

[Clemgo3165]

I'd just rather he not use his fists to defend her. And frankly she can fend for herself. 

 

If he witnesses the kiss there will definitely be some blaming involved, I'm sure of it.

[madam magpie]

Well, sure. I wish he'd leave her alone to handle it herself and trust her to do it and support her decisions, but clearly that's asking for too much. So if I have to have some sexist crap, I'd rather he take her side. He fought Luke in the yard and I thought that was insanely dumb and childish, but at least he was defending Rayna's honor. Now he's just insulting and hurtful, and I expect him to be worse next week. I'm guessing he says something awful to her and that's why she walks away from him. I hope she eventually shoots back with an "I wanted to be your wife" type speech, talking about how difficult it was not to sleep with HIM while she was married to Teddy, and now he thinks Markus is what will crack her vows of fidelity?? It's so gross. I have to go watch some Friday Night Lights to cleanse my soul.

#texasforever

#tennesseecansuckit

Edited December 3, 2015 by madam magpie

[Clemgo3165]

LOL! I was egging him on for the punch with Luke - once he said "sniffing around that bitch" I'd have hit him myself if I could have gotten through the TV screen. He fully deserved that hit. I think Markus does too, to be honest, but I'm getting tired of Deacon hitting people when they cross a line. Use your words, man!!

 

It's either something awful or he gets testy, one of the two I think. And you're probably right about the conversation.

[Sutton]

If he punches Markus out defending her guess who will get the backlash, Deacon, with the label alcoholic strikes country music artist. Every time Deacon got into any kind of fight or confrontation that was always the first thing said. Does he really want Maddie to see that after she saw him trash Bev's room, I don't think so. 

 

I have to go with Clemgo3165 "Why can't any of the grown ups on this show interact with the people they love like grown ups do?" Because the people writing this show don't have grown up imagination, ideas or are not grown ups themselves. Are there any women writing some of these episodes? Where is the person (Sorry don't remember her name) who use to write great episodes with Deacon/Rayna giving us so much satisfaction in see them interact with each other.

 

The AfterBuz girls when Riley said what he said about the episode not anyone of them said it was wrong so I guess then nobody thinks boundaries don't apply if you want something go after it even if it's wrong.

 

Finale next week is going to leave us hanging high until the series comes back Feb/March, make up and then the wedding. Do they talk about it during that time or are we to just assume they did and everything is super good to go get married.