S07.E16: The Wrong Stuff

[S55]

Why undo several episodes of building on the idea that the two characters are emotionally close and sexually hot for each other, just to deliver one dumb joke to end the episode? Hell, if you don't want to write a love scene, write an ironic one where they're alone and too tired to do anything but sleep.

 

You said this so much better than I could have, so thank you for that. And your idea about them just falling asleep would have sufficed for me as a better ending than what we got. I'm now envisioning the scene in One Fine Day when George Clooney's character falls asleep waiting for Michelle Pfeiffer's character to come out from primping so they can make out on her couch. lol

 

Such a missed opportunity to continue what they had started in Reckoning in the last scene. 

[McManda]

It's kinda weird that Alexis and her friends have their shoes out there since isn't it semi public hallway. Now I'm wondering if there are any other neighbors on the floor.

 

Castle's loft has a skylight, so it's presumably on the top floor? But he has a second floor (Alexis and Martha have rooms upstairs), so I'm not sure how that works. Maybe it's just a half floor? Maybe Castle's got the penthouse, so he's got the floor to himself. (Though I realize realistically that it's just a flaw of the set design.)

 

Regarding Martha's leaving. Didn't she say "not immediately"? Of course, that means it could drag on for a while-years even.

 

Yep, she said she was going to start looking for a place of her own. No mention on how long that could take.

[madmaverick]

I wouldn't be surprised if the weird, unfunny choice for Caskett to opt for a noisy Indian restaurant over uninterrupted sexytimes in an empty loft was inspired by TM and AM's real life.  Wouldn't be the first time.  They might have had some version of empty nest syndrome but they are not Caskett who are a newlywed couple shown to be craving some hot alone time mid episode!  You would think that the episode would logically close with a follow through, but it follows their usual pattern of opting for comedy (usually not very funny) over the romantic note.  Or, you know, there's always smart, sexy romantic comedy to try for. ;)  

 

Could have done without AM tweeting about checking TM for bites and scratches too.  Save that for the show, please. ;)

 

I would like to see them have a minor fight and then make up though. We haven't really seen much of them fighting like that as a couple.

 

I have a ~strong suspicion that's coming as we get into this new Beckett storyline of her trying to decide where she wants to go with her personal life and career.

I'm wary as we head into the final part of the season when characters often start acting OOC, unbelievable, illogical plots start to emerge, and angst is manufactured at whatever expense to the characters.  Let's hope it's not too bad this season around. ;)  Castle's been supportive of Beckett's career decisions in the past so I'm hoping it won't be any different now that he's her husband, as long as she talks to him about them.  And I hope Beckett won't be suddenly shown to have doubts again over Castle's role in his disappearance because that territory has already been covered, and I don't want her trust in him to be easily wavered again.  Fingers crossed, they'll be a strong, mutually supportive team through everything.

 

I would like to see them have a minor fight over say something like Castle's will, which I think is a very relevant topic of discussion considering recent events.  Won't happen, but one can dream and there's always fanfic. ;) 

[McManda]

All things considered, they've kept the internal Castle/Beckett drama to a minimum since they've gotten engaged. I don't really anticipate any internal drama with Beckett questioning what her life holds now, especially because (like has been mentioned) Castle has been generally supportive of her career and her career moves (if he's willing to accept a job-change to DC I think a promotion within the NYPD or a decision to take some time as a stayat-home-mom would be no big deal) and because Castle seems to be open to having more kids and Beckett seems to be of the opinion that kids aren't just a possibility, they're going to happen. It's just a matter of when, not if.

 

If there's going to be any major drama, I'd imagine it'd come from Espo and Ryan (but more Espo, because I don't see Ryan being all up in arms about a decision to take time to have kids).

 

Or maybe all this baby talk is going to culminate in a pregnancy-hardship storyline. I mean, Beckett's been pretty on-board with having kids, so it'd be weird for her to decide all of a sudden that kids are a no-go. After all the pointed comments, there'd have to be a really, really good reason why she'd take that back. But what if she can't have them, or they have problems getting pregnant?

[KaveDweller]

All things considered, they've kept the internal Castle/Beckett drama to a minimum since they've gotten engaged. I don't really anticipate any internal drama with Beckett questioning what her life holds now, especially because (like has been mentioned) Castle has been generally supportive of her career and her career moves (if he's willing to accept a job-change to DC I think a promotion within the NYPD or a decision to take some time as a stayat-home-mom would be no big deal) and because Castle seems to be open to having more kids and Beckett seems to be of the opinion that kids aren't just a possibility, they're going to happen. It's just a matter of when, not if.

 

They have been pretty drama free since the end of season 5, which is nice, and hope it stays that way overall. But I would just like to see minor stuff that they eventually come together on.  Like madmaverick said a discussion about wills or money in general could be really interesting.

 

After all the pointed comments, there'd have to be a really, really good reason why she'd take that back. But what if she can't have them, or they have problems getting pregnant?

 

I would rather they have a baby than have to go a can't have kids storyline.  Unless they could make it different than every sitcom that has gone that route.  

[McManda]

I would rather they have a baby than have to go a can't have kids storyline.  Unless they could make it different than every sitcom that has gone that route.

 

I don't know that I'd want them to complete, full on drama about it, but I think there's a nice middle. You know, decide that they want to try to have a baby rather it being a surprise or unplanned, and then maybe it takes awhile instead of either Beckett already being pregnant when they decide to try, or getting pregnant right out of the gate, or on the flipside, eventually finding out about fertility problems. I just think it'd be more real that way.

[WendyCR72]

Well, didn't that time traveler episode say Castle and Beckett had three kids? Yeah, kind of odd to base things on that, but the construct made it seem like that stuff would happen, so...if that is the case, we know they do have kids and Beckett goes into politics (that, I don't get, but okay, whatever to that!).

 

But if that gets ignored, I guess infertility could work. Even Friends, a sitcom, did a great job with it once Monica and Chandler discovered they couldn't have kids. At least they got their happy ending via the adoption route.

[KaveDweller]

I don't know that I'd want them to complete, full on drama about it, but I think there's a nice middle.

 

I agree, there's ways to do it that are a nice balance between the two extremes.  The natural thing would have them talk about trying, then spend the next few episodes with lots of sexy times, then maybe talk about why it hasn't happened yet.

 

Speaking of sexy times, why didn't they just go to Castle's PI office when the loft got crowded?  They seemed to be having fun there before.

 

Well, didn't that time traveler episode say Castle and Beckett had three kids?

 

Yeah, Beckett seemed pretty surprised by that though.  But I guess S1 Beckett would be surprised she married Castle too.  I am hoping the time traveler was wrong, because I can't see Beckett ever becoming a Senator.

 

At least they got their happy ending via the adoption route.

 

Do you think people who almost die whenever sweeps rolls around could adopt a kid?

[WendyCR72]

Do you think people who almost die whenever sweeps rolls around could adopt a kid?

 

Eh, why not? It's TV.  :-)  And a certain similar show handles little ankle biters, so it's doable. :-)  And, really, the anvils seem to be fast and furious, so I can see it happening.

[femmefan1946]

They are not newlyweds.

Well, okay, they had a ceremony recently, but c'mon, they've been sleeping together since mid-2012 and living together since 2013.

In my book, that's two years married, even if they hadn't jumped the broom yet.

[verdana]

I don't know that I'd want them to complete, full on drama about it, but I think there's a nice middle. You know, decide that they want to try to have a baby rather it being a surprise or unplanned, and then maybe it takes awhile instead of either Beckett already being pregnant when they decide to try, or getting pregnant right out of the gate, or on the flipside, eventually finding out about fertility problems. I just think it'd be more real that way.

Whilst it feels real the idea of these bunch of writers (MilMar seem to be strangely squeamish for a married couple about dealing with anything too sexual in nature) tackle this particular subject feels me with dread. They rarely manage to achieve the "nice middle" in their storytelling, I'd get drama but I doubt it would be entertaining drama and would long outlast its welcome.  

 

If they did tackle the subject I'd probably end up getting episodes of Beckett's *worried look* each morning because she's still not pregnant, Castle is either seen joking around or is distant/moping (and being lambasted by fans for both) they'll be angst filled talks with Lanie where she offers advice that does more harm than good and Castle has to endue constant sarcastic "jokes" from Espo about his apparent lack of fertility. 

[verdana]

Regarding Martha's leaving. Didn't she say "not immediately"? Of course, that means it could drag on for a while-years even. And she could always come around to the loft. In fact, didn't she stay with her boyfriend/ fiance-the one who died, but was frequently at the loft ? 

 

Terri has apparently confirmed on her twitter that Martha will move out eventually. I don't want to go and check her twitter after reading what madmaverick said about Marlowe checking Terri for bites and scratches. Urgh.  I guess that puts it nicely towards the end of the season she gets the moving boxes out.

 

But if Martha is serious about leaving them alone so they can make little Castle babies I would have thought that she can't keep hanging around the loft unless they have visions of this show carrying on into season 9/10 and given the baby anvils flying I doubt they've got that long. 

[verdana]

SweetTooth. Exactly, you can still bring it but you need to know when to stop, I wish they could locate that balance again and oh I so miss the suaveness. I also have to agree about the devolving of the character over the years.

 

Stana Katic @Stana_Katic  ·  5 hrs 5 hours ago

“@lizbeth4beauty: @stanakatic #Castle #TheWrongStuff #BTS ”

Spacesuits rock my world!

https://twitter.com/Stana_Katic/status/570422409259384832

Looks like Stana had a great time on set, I'm sure they all did.

dilshadvadsaria

16 hours ago

Thank you @NathanFillion for making the shoot so great for all of us! #Castle #TheWrongStuff #classact #wrapday

https://instagram.com/p/zfdZihQKAj/

 

 

He looks very ruggedly handsome astronaut material there. 

Edited February 25, 2015 by verdana

[madmaverick]

This is a bit OT but I read this interview with The Good Wife's EPs and found some of their comments noteworthy vis a vis their show as well as Castle.  http://tvline.com/2015/02/25/the-good-wife-kalinda-leaving-alicia-scene-spoilers-season-6/

 

Michelle King: We never want characters to have forgotten what happened to them the episode before or three episodes before — they’re carrying the emotional reality as well as what’s happening with the plot. So, oftentimes we’re making lists in the writers’ room of things we don’t want to forget to answer, and then putting the lists up on the board.

 

!!!  And this is one of the reasons TGW has transcended the (legal) procedural label and been recognised as a quality drama.  Why do Castle writers not see the value in doing the same?

 

TVLINE | I loved that scene earlier this season where Alicia and Finn are on the couch together — and it’s almost this Victorian setup… will they allow themselves to touch in any way. It was maybe the show’s sexiest scene all season.
Robert King: I know, and I’m glad you put it that way. The show can be sexy on a couple fronts, one of which is obviously with the minimal nudity and minimal sauciness. What’s even sexier is when someone really knows they shouldn’t be doing something, but they find themselves riding towards the precipice.

 

TGW and its married creators get how to do adult, sophisticated sexy, and it's often done with restrained nudity and sauciness while being daring at the same time.  No clunky, juvenile references to handcuffs and other kinks to generate heat.  No crazy grappling either but kisses are filmed in a far sexier way than on Castle.  Have Castle writers seriously given any thought to how Caskett, separately and together, can be sexy in different ways as a couple?  They seem to just know the same old playbook.  Interrupted kisses.  Theorizing as foreplay. 

 

Honestly, I find these EPs' interviews to engage far more intelligently with viewers than Marlowe and Amann do with theirs and their repetitive mythology talk and 'teases' about Caskett.  And it's refreshing how TGW EPs acknowledge critical audience reaction and missteps and discuss how they course correct when necessary.

Edited February 25, 2015 by madmaverick

[KaveDweller]

And this is one of the reasons TGW has transcended the (legal) procedural label and been recognised as a quality drama.

 

I think TGW is much less enjoyable this season than last, but it still great.  It is also the opposite of Castle in pretty much every way imaginable.

 

But if Martha is serious about leaving them alone so they can make little Castle babies I would have thought that she can't keep hanging around the loft

 

Once they have the baby they'll need a sitter while they go solve murders.

[smiley13]

I thought this was a fun episode.  The fact that they had both signed up for a Mars trip without ever mentioning it to each other "because they were fighting" was a bit silly though.  

 

The ending made me laugh, that after all of the chaos, they couldn't stand it being quiet.

[bingham55]

This is a bit OT but I read this interview with The Good Wife's EPs and found some of their comments noteworthy vis a vis their show as well as Castle.  http://tvline.com/2015/02/25/the-good-wife-kalinda-leaving-alicia-scene-spoilers-season-6/

 

!!!  And this is one of the reasons TGW has transcended the (legal) procedural label and been recognised as a quality drama.  Why do Castle writers not see the value in doing the same?

 

TGW and its married creators get how to do adult, sophisticated sexy, and it's often done with restrained nudity and sauciness while being daring at the same time.  No clunky, juvenile references to handcuffs and other kinks to generate heat.  No crazy grappling either but kisses are filmed in a far sexier way than on Castle.  Have Castle writers seriously given any thought to how Caskett, separately and together, can be sexy in different ways as a couple?  They seem to just know the same old playbook.  Interrupted kisses.  Theorizing as foreplay. 

 

Honestly, I find these EPs' interviews to engage far more intelligently with viewers than Marlowe and Amann do with theirs and their repetitive mythology talk and 'teases' about Caskett.  And it's refreshing how TGW EPs acknowledge critical audience reaction and missteps and discuss how they course correct when necessary.

I don't really compare Castle to TGW but I can compare it to The Mentalist and one thing I come away with is that even though they both have flaws, I think the writers/showrunner of The Mentalist have done a better job with the relationship between the main characters.  The two shows began at about the same time (2208) and at the begining I thought I'd enjoy Castle more.  I was not really familiar with the actors from either show before although I knew of Nathan from friends who were fans of Firefly.  I liked Castle's character and looks more than Patrick Jane's (blond men remind of my brother!) and thought both Beckett and Lisbon were strong, interesting female cops.  

 

It was clear from the start of Castle that they would end up together and I thought season 1 Beckett would be an interesting challenge for a rich, famous, playboy author.  But by season 3 Becket was a super model in high heeled boots who occasionally got to go badass with perps and Castle became more bumbling and childish.  I have no idea how the actors on either show get along and don't really care.  A competent actor should be able ACT like they like, love or hate anyone they are playing opposite.  I also think"chemistry" is in the eyes of the beholder.  I realize most of this has been said about Castle before but I think the point I wanted to make is that after watching the last short season of The Mentalist, I realized the difference for me is that I got the feeling everyone involved in that show cared about the story and the characters and I don't get that feeling at this point from Castle.  

[verdana]

Andrew Bikichky @AndrewBikichky  ·  Feb 24

Mars surface rock facade detail Stunning craftsmanship @CastleArtDept Ep716 #Castle

https://twitter.com/AndrewBikichky/status/570304957917876224

 

 

If any one is interested in the sets and BTS stuff Andrew has posted quite a nice series of shots, out of all the crew I find his tweets consistently the most informative.