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[turnitwayup]

I loved Beckett's little head shake as Castle's saying he can get into the minds of those kids.

She also looked like she was trying not to crack up when Castle was walking into the classroom. It looks like it will be a cute ep.

Yeah I can't imagine how a baby would workout during the show. Castle would probably want to stay home to take care of the baby until it's old enough for school unless they get Martha to take care of the baby. I can't see Beckett not wanting to work which kinda ends the show. It's ok when you only have a couple episode where they don't work together but the show's premise is them working murders together. I could see time skips after they have Alexis graduate of Columbia which would be at the end of s8 if they get that far. That's the only way I think a baby could possible be worked into the show.

[KaveDweller]

Personally I think it's better than a baby

 

The conception of a baby? Or many attempts on conceiving? On camera with lights on?

[Nadine]

It's just odd because I wasn't aware that Castle had an outside investor.

Sometimes the studios will do a co-production.

I did one with Mindshare and one with Unilever.

But to my knowledge Castle is straight by the book and funded by ABC Studios and ABC (network) pays a license fee.

It's a mystery to me what the hell this guy does.

I'm guessing he probably does work with Beacon.

Hanning better not let me down. Got some expectations with this one. Hehe.

[S55]

I'm never the Debbie Downer but John M Lopes is kind of full of shit.

 

Ditto. Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks so. Ugh. 

[S55]

I'm guessing he probably does work with Beacon.

Hanning better not let me down. Got some expectations with this one. Hehe.

 

Yeah, he appears to schmooze Nathan from their mutual friendship with Armyan Bernstein who is Beacon. And he sucks up to Stana by doing his ATP occasionally. Ugh. I wish he'd just go the hell away.

 

I have high expectations too. Which can be dangerous with this show sometimes. ;) But it looks like it will be uber adorable seeing Castle's fatherly side (& Nathan's too). 

[verdana]

Oh. Then he's just a lame executive who does nothing but acts like a fan boy on set.

 

Heh.

 

He's also involved in a mining corporation, he's a financier also dabbling in the film business. I believe the term these types like to use is "entrepreneur", seems to me that money is the link and this allows him to hang around the set all the time taking photos and tweeting fans non stop. 

 

This is his LinkedIn page. 

 

That was another fun sneak peek.  I'm actually developing expectations for this episode as it's written by Hanning.  Dangerous! ;)

 

 

Yeah me too and that's a worry and it involves kids which usually is a total turn off for me but those two sneak peeks with Nathan and the children have wetted my appetite for more. I think it's the magic of Nathan Fillion and his chemistry with them that does it. If this was any other actor I'd be feeling meh about this episode.

 

Another good thing is that the sneaks haven't really given that much away, too often I find that the best bits of the episode have already been leaked by the network, this time I'm hopeful there are even better scenes to come. 

Edited October 17, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

Nathan Fillion @NathanFillion  ·  38m

It's nice to talk with other actors about process, choices, the craft, wishes, and favorite colors. http://www.whosay.com/l/tHj9rK8

 

God adorable. He really does seem like perfect playful dad material. 

[Nadine]

Another good thing is that the sneaks haven't really given that much away, too often I find that the best bits of the episode have already been leaked by the network, this time I'm hopeful there are even better scenes to come. 

 

Yep I agree with this. After the debacle of releasing 7x02 final scene think ABC are being cautious from now on. That being said you watch them do some idiotic thing in the promos for 7.06 and 7.07 when they get released so it gives away the final scene (since they're good at doing that).

[S55]

You might have heard a loud sigh coming from me when I saw that pic. Too cute. Also, I'm still dying to know who he was referring to when he talked about someone/many someones being assholes to kids when they were filming this episode. lol

[McManda]

When did he say that? Maybe the crew? Just because I can't imagine any of the main cast not getting along with kids.

 

Nathan's always been pretty protective of his fellow cast, going all the way back to Firefly, even if they're just guest cast. I think that's sweet.

[McManda]

I actually like the fact that they don't release so much in sneaks anymore. Back in S3/S4 they were releasing up to 6 sneaks at a time and while fans loved that, they complained that all the good pieces were released before the episode aired. I know I was pretty annoyed when they released the end of Always as a sneak, but I managed to stay spoiler-free for that one. It's my biggest accomplishment.

[KaveDweller]

I know I was pretty annoyed when they released the end of Always as a sneak, but I managed to stay spoiler-free for that one. It's my biggest accomplishment.

 

I didn't know they released that as a sneak, that's super lame.  I was avoiding spoilers like crazy at the end of S4, so I missed that.  I know they did put the shot up Beckett walking into the loft and reaching for Castle in the promo though.

 

I was spoiled for the fact that Caskett hooked up in Always because, A) Nathan and Stana both said at Paley that fans would like how the season ended, and B) Someone on Fanfiction.net said so in the summary of their story so it was visible right from the home page.  

[McManda]

I don't think they released the full end scene as a sneak - I think it was just up until she knocked on his door, he opened it, and she kissed him. I don't know for sure because I basically went on media blackout - no TWOP, no tumblr, nothing like that. But still I was annoyed that I even had to do that. Sneaks are supposed to give people a bit of the flavor; entice them to watch. Not give away everything before it airs. But that's back when ABC was going sneak heavy on all their shows.

 

The one I remember most vividly was To Love and Die in LA - ABC released 6 sneaks (I watched them all, and one was the couch scene) and they all happened in the first half of the episode. So that's 9 to 12 minutes of the first 30 minutes (and that's 30 minutes counting commercials, so really more like 22 minutes). Of course people are going to be annoyed when they see the whole episode and feel like they were let down. It's not that they were let down by the episode necessarily, it's that they've already seen most of it. That's how I felt about that episode, at least.

 

The one or two sneaks they've leveled out as is much better. <strikeththrough>(That way I can be pleasantly surprised by Castle/Beckett makeout scenes.)</strikethrough>

Edited October 17, 2014 by McManda

[S55]

When did he say that? Maybe the crew? Just because I can't imagine any of the main cast not getting along with kids.

 

Nathan's always been pretty protective of his fellow cast, going all the way back to Firefly, even if they're just guest cast. I think that's sweet.

 

Here. It stuck in my head because we knew they were filming with kids back then and for him to say that means he must've seen something he ~really didn't like or upset him. And I imagine that might've been his way of publicly shaming them on Twitter (like I remember he did once on his way to SDCC and came across someone throwing trash out of their car). 

 

It probably was the crew and might've even been a single-day crew member and not a regular around-all-the-time member. 

[S55]

I didn't start watching until season 4 (caught up on seasons 1-3 in summer 2011), but I heard about the To Love and Die in LA debacle. When the hotel room scene was released as a sneak, that pissed off a LOT of fans. I think they're ~still earning back trust from some for that one. lol 

[McManda]

Personally, at the time I thought "oh, they're releasing this as a sneak peek ... that means there must be more! this is awesome, this is it, she's going to tell him she broke up with Josh, or something, but something is going to happen!" and there was all this speculation about what's going to happen after she goes back into the living room (because the sneak stopped with her hand turning the door handle).

 

And then the episode airs and ... that's it. Just ... that's all there was. It was a giant letdown. I was part of the fans that tried to make it into an okay thing ("well, at least she went back, even though he was already gone, she opened the door to go back..."), but really I think that was more just to make myself feel better.

 

I think that's around the time  I stopped putting too much stock into what they released as a sneak peek. ABC made (makes? still?) a bad call.

[TWP]

Really looking forward to the kid episode. And it's incredible that Nathan tweeted that. So true.

I went back last night and watched a bunch of show compilations--some new coffee=love compilations etc. First time in two seasons for doing that. Really loved them. I've developed some perspective this year. It's not exactly a literary work of art, but right now, for me Castle is the most entertaining non-comedy show on TV. And because it's not a literary work, I'm going to try and sit back and enjoy it without expectations. I'm certainly happier when I do that. But I still understand those who aren't quite there yet.

Edited October 18, 2014 by TVWithPity

[TWP]

Do you still want Caskett to break up?

I still don't care if they do or don't break up and I'd be perfectly fine if they did. I would enjoy their new relationships as long as they're detailed rather than hand-waved. Part of my new enjoyment of the show is that I have little investment in the characters anymore. I can just sit back, laugh at the comedy and be entertained. Of course a breakup isn't in the cards right now. They're getting married. The only way out of that is if the Castle who returned from the kidnapping isn't really Castle. I wouldn't be surprised if they pull that trope on us.

I also don't care much if one of the leads leaves the show at the end of the season (when contracts are up). As long as the replacement is decent and the writing doesn't go too far off the rails, I think it'll be fine. I saw today that Stana signed with a new agent. I suspect she would be the one to leave the show if anyone. IMHO the network would be more likely to want to keep Nathan. Of course her new agency signing could just be in prep for negotiating a new Castle deal.

[verdana]

If either Stana or Nathan left for some reason, that's it I'm done with Castle. Those two are the only reason the show's worth watching, nothing else would keep it a regular Monday night appointment. 

Edited October 18, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

And because it's not a literary work, I'm going to try and sit back and enjoy it without expectations. I'm certainly happier when I do that. But I still understand those who aren't quite there yet.

 

I find it's more difficult to go into the show with little or no expectations when you've just watched an episode like the Creaseys outing and see what this writing team can do if they put their minds to it. 

 

 

[verdana]

I think people putting way too much stock into spoilers and sneaks is not really on ABC.

 

Even if I don't agree with all their decisions.

 

People should watch the episode with a clear mind ready to expect anything. 

It's human nature, people are going to get expectations reading spoilers and watching sneaks (okay they could not check them out but again it can be difficult to resist as many fans will attest, I'm terrible at keeping spoiler free *hangs head*) so they're going to form some kind of opinion based on what they've seen be it accurate or not. Is that ABC's fault? No but at the same time they must be aware what they're doing releasing particular spoilers are going to generate a certain reaction, they can't be that clueless.

 

The one where Kate almost goes to kiss Eric Vaughn springs to mind, that created a huge fuss I remember before the episode aired and upset a lot of people, but the promo bods probably thought it was great getting fans riled up and desperate to watch the outcome so they didn't give a shit - the end justifies the means. But spoiling things for some people by releasing often key moments of an episode without any warning? Seems a pretty shitty move to me. 

 

I don't think ABC have learn't any lessons in terms of what they release as sneaks/promos, it seems rather hit and miss, a few weeks ago they released the end scene which basically told me all I needed to know about the episode yet other times they're okay and limit them to fairly low key (or "boring" as I've heard them described because there's usually not enough good Caskett interaction for people heh) which suits me.  

 

As for the Always moment what they released (unless I missed something) was her coming to the door and reaching to kiss him, but that was enough to tell you what happened for those who were trying to bravely stay spoiler free, although if you watched the Paley event KaveDweller is right they gave the game away in any case. 

 

I agree with McManda there was a period when they were releasing up to 6 sneaks and when you add up the running time I felt you had almost watched the episode before it even aired. I wish they would go back to doing the odd promo and leave it at that or reduce it down to one sneak.  It's not going to make any difference to the viewing figures given the only people who really watch them are those on line fans not your average viewer. 

Edited October 18, 2014 by verdana

[madmaverick]

God adorable. He really does seem like perfect playful dad material. 

What a lovely, sweet shot.

 

I wonder if the photo mentioned by the photographer here is the photo posted by Nathan.  Nice to hear Nathan taking the time to be with the child actor.

 

http://nathanourhero.tumblr.com/post/100307182659/nicole-wilder-about-nathan-fillion-and-rachel

Edited October 18, 2014 by madmaverick

[KFC]

Ditto. Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks so. Ugh. 

 

Yeah, pay no attention to him. His baby talk is proof he knows nothing. 

[Samantha84]

‘Castle’ Star Stana Katic Signs With Gersh and Gotham/Principal

What exactly does this mean? 

[WendyCR72]

‘Castle’ Star Stana Katic Signs With Gersh and Gotham/Principal

What exactly does this mean? 

 

Usually, new management could signal a desire for better representation, i.e. better pay or a more diversification of projects she was, perhaps, not being offered or considered for under her old management. At least, that's how I understand it.

[McManda]

Didn't Nathan sign with new management recently, too? (Like, late last season?) Chances are it doesn't mean anything for now, except maybe a desire to not only be offered indie movie roles. Or maybe she's looking for better contract negotiators.

[Samantha84]

Stana, and her sister Gigi, at the Environmental Media Association awards tonight.  

[McManda]

I don't know how I feel about that top (the pants and shoes rock), but I really like this photo. It's a cute family photo.

 

Also, I had no idea her sister was so tall. I mean, it's not like Stana's short.

[Nadine]

I don't know how I feel about that top (the pants and shoes rock), but I really like this photo. It's a cute family photo.

 

Also, I had no idea her sister was so tall. I mean, it's not like Stana's short.

Stana's mentioned that she's the shortest in her family. I like the colour of the top but think the overall outfit is so-so.

 

In relation to the agency part, Nathan signed with CAA in January this year. So both have changed agencies in the past year.

Edited October 19, 2014 by Nadine

[Nadine]

That's all very true I'm just sort of very old school when it comes to TV.

I truly feel like something has been lost in the art form with all of us having access to so much.

So even if I spoil myself rotten I try very very hard to watch with clear eyes.

 

I agree with this a lot. I've been on the net for 20 years now and the amount it has changed in terms of sneak peeks, content available prior to the episode airing and in particular screeners (basically who can access them these days) has me shaking my head some days.

 

Even though I'm spoiled as hell, I try to go into the episode forgetting about anything and everything associated with what I'm watching, so I can go in without a clouded judgment.

[Samantha84]

Also, I had no idea her sister was so tall. I mean, it's not like Stana's short.

 

Stana has said she's the shortest in her family.  Another pic w Gigi  and her brother 

[KaveDweller]

Even though I'm spoiled as hell, I try to go into the episode forgetting about anything and everything associated with what I'm watching, so I can go in without a clouded judgment.

 

Same here. Because for me, staying completely spoiler free isn't worth giving up any internet discussion of a show, which is pretty much what you'd need to do these days.  I just try not to put too much weight into spoilers.  And I avoid sneak peeks when I have the strength. But just by posting here I get a lot of info about what's coming up.

[verdana]

Liked this second shot here too, awwww sisterly bonding.
 
This is a quote (no link given) I found on one of the pictures presumably from Stana.
 

"They’re wonderful spirits and I’m really honored to have them as my siblings. It’s like walking with an army when we go some place together. I’m really proud of them.”

 
Although looking at the various shots, I can see why Stana had her nose done back in the day, can make a world of difference.
 
Thought these were a good selection of close ups of her, I'm so pleased about her shorter hair. 
 
And not too sure what's going on there with that top, although the colour combo works but that long tie down at the side doesn't do anything it just detracts I'd want to get a pair of scissors and snip it off that would irritate me. 
 
And yeah sis is tall, because Stana is hardly a midget, she's about 5ft 9?

Edited October 19, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

What a lovely, sweet shot.

 

I wonder if the photo mentioned by the photographer here is the photo posted by Nathan.  Nice to hear Nathan taking the time to be with the child actor.

 

http://nathanourhero.tumblr.com/post/100307182659/nicole-wilder-about-nathan-fillion-and-rachel

Thanks for the link. Nathan really is genuinely good with kids, seemingly kind and patient, I can imagine a lot of actors aren't when they have to work with them, especially the younger ones. I really want to like this episode, seeing Nathan enthused and having fun like that is heart warming. 

Edited October 19, 2014 by verdana

[verdana]

halwideman. Yeah I agree I with you about fans having access to so much now and it's not always a good thing. But many seem to expect and even demand it as a right.

 

Talking of remaining spoiler free, I do smile when I see fans on my dash angrily complaining when they've just found out something the wish they hadn't about their favourite shows. On a "spoiler free" thread on a forum I can understand if they were upset but fans complaining about getting spoiled by venturing on to tumblr and twitter - it's like someone complaining they got burned when they put their hand on a hot stove.

[madmaverick]

Nice to see Stana out and about with her sis.  Lucky them to be blessed with being tall and naturally slim.

 

Stana seems to like pink as it's not the first time she's worn it on the red carpet.  Has Beckett ever worn pink?

 

Not a fan of the outfit though.  Long, dangling bits generally don't work for me and this was no exception.  

[Samantha84]

Stana's outfit was actually a jumpsuit .. seen from the side. Plus? She thanked the designer, on twitter, and said she loved the jumpsuit. 

[Sonik Tooth]

 

I truly feel like something has been lost in the art form with all of us having access to so much.

 

Yeah I agree I with you about fans having access to so much now and it's not always a good thing.

Yes, that is true. But I’m somehow more concerned about the creator’s side than the consumer’s side. Consumer feedback influencing coherent and original storytelling. The need to please the masses mostly ends in a generic or botched-up outcome.

 

On Castle, I see the botched-up outcome. For example, I don’t believe for a second that Marlowe can’t write or produce episodes like Clear & Present Danger en masse, it’s not rocket science. In this case, I believe he knew that he needed a quick win with the Caskett fanbase after the first two episodes, and of course he appointed fan-favourite writers the Creaseys’ to make it happen. But considering the beginning of the season, this episode doesn’t really make sense, IMO. So why doesn’t he stick to the fun and sexy formula? Or why did he feel the need of introducing a really crass and intriguing story for Castle (only to put it on the back burner for fluffier episodes)? My best guess is that he is not only influenced by what different kind of viewers like to see, but he also uses it to his best advantage.

[S55]

Stana seems to like pink as it's not the first time she's worn it on the red carpet.  Has Beckett ever worn pink?

 

 

There may be more that I'm forgetting, but the only instances that springs to mind of Beckett in pink is the sleepshirt she wore in "Tick, Tick, Tick..." when emerging to Castle making her pancakes at her apartment and in "A Dance With Death" when she's in that pink sweater. 

[KaveDweller]

And not too sure what's going on there with that top, although the colour combo works but that long tie down at the side doesn't do anything it just detracts I'd want to get a pair of scissors and snip it off that would irritate me.

 

I really like Stana, but sometimes her fashion choices confuse me.

 

There may be more that I'm forgetting, but the only instances that springs to mind of Beckett in pink is the sleepshirt she wore in "Tick, Tick, Tick..."

 

She wore pink in the first episode of season 4, I think.  It's in the scene where the mayor calls Gates to insist Castle gets to stick around.  If not then, another episode in early season 4, it is a pink button down top.

[McManda]

And yeah sis is tall, because Stana is hardly a midget, she's about 5ft 9?

 

Somewhere around there. I mean, she's almost as tall as Nathan's 6'2 with her giant heels. I'm only an inch shorter and she gives me hope that I can be awesome and wear giant heels, too.

 

Although looking at the various shots, I can see why Stana had her nose done back in the day, can make a world of difference.

 

I think the nose job was a good career choice. Not that she needed to have it done, but I fear that she would have been typecast into eastern European roles if she hadn't and I don't think that's really what she was going for in Hollywood.

 

She wore pink in the first episode of season 4, I think.  It's in the scene where the mayor calls Gates to insist Castle gets to stick around.  If not then, another episode in early season 4, it is a pink button down top.

 

She wears pink in "Overkill" doesn't she? Is this pink? I remember this one because I love this episode a lot - jealous Castle, an interesting case, and I really, really love Beckett's wavy/curly hair at this point.

[McManda]

In this case, I believe he knew that he needed a quick win with the Caskett fanbase after the first two episodes, and of course he appointed fan-favourite writers the Creaseys’ to make it happen. But considering the beginning of the season, this episode doesn’t really make sense, IMO. So why doesn’t he stick to the fun and sexy formula? Or why did he feel the need of introducing a really crass and intriguing story for Castle (only to put it on the back burner for fluffier episodes)? My best guess is that he is not only influenced by what different kind of viewers like to see, but he also uses it to his best advantage.

 

Maybe in a more general sense, but I don't know if this theory makes sense in under the microscope. I mean, episode 3 was finished far before Marlowe had any feedback on the beginning of the season.

 

But I do think he takes general fan rumblings into account. I wouldn't be surprised if Castle and Beckett were more flirty this season than they were last season. It also seems like he might be moving away from "pick a theme, write a murder". (He's still got that idea, but so far (and even late last season) it was less paint-by-numbers with a different supernatural being theme.) We had no idea (or expectations) about Clear and Present Danger, but it was pretty great.

 

I hope it keeps up.

[WendyCR72]

I have made my feelings about Marlowe plain more than once.

 

But I'll say this: While I have no use for the man and do think the show could stand more "romance" for a show that claims it as its foundation (even if I don't agree with the pairing in principle), I do think it is also dangerous to treat any show as "fan service". Yes, fans are important and it's nice to make them happy. But pandering as a way of doing so with no thought of a cohesive narrative isn't wise, either.

 

So, for the sake of the show, I hope a fine line can be walked, as catering to demands is just as bad as being tone deaf to what they want, too.

[KaveDweller]

Or why did he feel the need of introducing a really crass and intriguing story for Castle (only to put it on the back burner for fluffier episodes)?

 

The show is always like this though.  It has angsty episodes, then puts them aside for fluff.  That happened at the beginning of seasons 4 and 5 with Joanna Beckett related stuff.  I think he did this to give a set up for when they want to have serious stuff later in the season and possibly even next season, but didn't want to spend more time on it now.  He must know that most people watch for the fluffy stuff and would tune out if that went away for too long.

[S55]

I do think it is also dangerous to treat any show as "fan service". Yes, fans are important and it's nice to make them happy. But pandering as a way of doing so with no thought of a cohesive narrative isn't wise, either.

 

This right here is one reason I'm still wary of the Creaseys. Many say they write the Castle/Beckett relationship better because they were fans of the show (& that pairing) first before they became writers. But some of their story choices have felt a bit too pandering to me (one example that still isn't one I would've gone with is choosing In My Veins as Castle & Beckett's song). And it's why I still approach them - and the writing staff as a whole - with healthy skepticism.  But at the same time, I'm also willing to keep an open mind with every episode, despite past experience with and judgement of each of these writers. ;) 

Edited October 20, 2014 by S55

[verdana]

It was obvious that they were going to have a "fun and fluff" episode directly after the mythology was wrapped up (for now). The Creaseys episode fit the bill perfectly and even better it had some decent romantic interludes which were sorely needed. That's just the way they roll and it's never going to change. Marlowe's not stupid he knows that whilst he can play his beloved "mythology" out it can only happen in dribs and drabs - it will pop up two or three times a season and then get ignored the rest of the time. Annoying for some of us but not surprising in any way. 

[verdana]

This mythology feels like it's being written with one eye firmly on fan reactions so it will go in whatever direction they think they get away with and that's no way to write a story. They don't seem to know where they're going with it by the vague way it's being written, I don't see it just a case of them deliberately holding back because they want fans to get served up the juicy stuff later on.  

 

[verdana]

Nathan in plaid, the picture is a bit blurry, but he's looking good I have to say.

 

David Barrera @DAVID_BARRERA  ·  12h 12 hours ago
Make sure to catch me on @Castle_ABC tomorrow night. 10/9 central on ABC @NathanFillion was great to work with!

https://twitter.com/DAVID_BARRERA/status/524025480987836417

[verdana]

THE ENVIRONMENTAL MEDIA ASSOCIATION AWARDS141018(Stana Katic) - video

[madmaverick]

Stana tried her best, but boy, that opening bit was written as poorly as some Castle episodes.

 

Why on earth was AM & TM's time traveller episode nominated for an Environmental Media Award?  I can't recollect what it had to do with the environment?  Didn't like the episode enough to rewatch.