Jonathan

[BMom]

I had really strong feelings about Jonathan tonight.He’s a terrible example of how a man should act. He was emotionally abusive in this leg. My husband asked if he’s this much of a jerk when he knows cameras are recording, how badly he must act afterward. If they lose(or win) I’d break up immediately. Are they married?

 

[seacliffsal]

I believe that they are married but they separated for a while.  I think in their intro they said they are using this experience to rebuild their relationship (or something similar).  I may be wrong as this was referenced in the first episode, but it is what I seem to remember.

[Me from ME]

Agreed. He is the worst. If they win I will feel similarly as I did when Flo won her season. Not sure if it was mentioned here or elsewhere but evidently when he saw himself on tv he came to the conclusion that he had undiagnosed autism. I think the worst thing is that his primary reaction is blaming her although, he did take some responsibility for his screw ups.

UGH.

[Auntie Anxiety]

Don’t know if Jonathan`s post-show diagnosis was correct or not. To me it`s just one more example of him not taking responsibility for his emotional and verbal abuse of Ana. I bet he doesn`t treat anyone else like he treats her, which would imply that he is autistic (Or whatever) toward only her? That doesn`t make sense to me.

[kav]

2 hours ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

Don’t know if Jonathan`s post-show diagnosis was correct or not. To me it`s just one more example of him not taking responsibility for his emotional and verbal abuse of Ana. I bet he doesn`t treat anyone else like he treats her, which would imply that he is autistic (Or whatever) toward only her? That doesn`t make sense to me.

It looks different for each individual person.  Does not matter if you think his diagnosis was "correct or not", he received it from a professional and that is all that matters.  Getting the diagnosis IS helping HIM understand why he acted the way he did on the race in the stressful situations that he was in.

[Auntie Anxiety]

58 minutes ago, kav said:

It looks different for each individual person.  Does not matter if you think his diagnosis was "correct or not", he received it from a professional and that is all that matters.  Getting the diagnosis IS helping HIM understand why he acted the way he did on the race in the stressful situations that he was in.

People are misdiagnosed all the time. That’s why it’s important to get a second opinion, no matter what your issue is. 

[Facts Only]

1 hour ago, kav said:

he received it from a professional and that is all that matters

Does anyone know that for sure ?

[kav]

1 hour ago, Facts Only said:

Does anyone know that for sure ?

An Autism Spectrum Diagnosis is not something that is lied about and it came from his mouth on a Podcast a few weeks ago, so yes it is known for sure.

[Facts Only]

8 hours ago, kav said:

so yes it is known for sure.

No, its not.

Edited Tuesday at 08:43 AM by Facts Only

[kav]

16 minutes ago, Auntie Anxiety said:

And everything that you read on the internet is true. Got it.

It is not the fact that it was on the internet, it is the fact it came out of his mouth with HIS WORDS, so yes I choose to believe his words about his medical diagnosis from a professional, sorry that you choose not to.

[Browncoat]

12 hours ago, kav said:

An Autism Spectrum Diagnosis is not something that is lied about

I'll disagree there.  People lie about all sorts of diagnoses all the time.

[kav]

Johnathan did not lie, end of story.  If you care to understand, which I can tell many don't care, you can watch/listen to this podcast. 

 

[bunnyface]

13 hours ago, kav said:

An Autism Spectrum Diagnosis is not something that is lied about and it came from his mouth on a Podcast a few weeks ago, so yes it is known for sure.

"from his mouth."  The same mouth he uses to blame Ana for everything in the world being wrong.  Got it.

43 minutes ago, kav said:

Johnathan did not lie, end of story.  If you care to understand, which I can tell many don't care, you can watch/listen to this podcast. 

 

Just because "end of story" comes from your mouth doesn't mean it is "end of story."  You have no more knowledge of this situation than anyone else, unless you ARE Jonathan.  Which I am beginning to wonder about with how combative you are about the whole thing.  You don't have his records, we don't have his records, you don't know the whole story any more than the rest of us do.  We do have video evidence of his being a jackass to his wife.    If she's fine with it, that's fine.  But that doesn't mean we all have to bow down to you because you pronounced "end of story."  Is he lying or not?  I don't know.  People lie about shit all the time to justify their own ends.  And yes, people will even lie about this if it suits their needs.  NO ONE KNOWS.  So we speculate, which is allowed.  "end of story."

Edited Tuesday at 01:55 PM by bunnyface

[seacliffsal]

15 hours ago, kav said:

An Autism Spectrum Diagnosis is not something that is lied about and it came from his mouth on a Podcast a few weeks ago, so yes it is known for sure.

I don't know if he is autistic or not, but I do know that people lie about all kinds of things.  To be clear, I'm not saying that Jonathon is lying, but I am saying that there are people who lie about all kinds of things (and often when there is absolutely nothing to gain from lying).  I follow the adage that just because someone says something that doesn't mean it's true.  

[Seelouis]

I don’t know if he’s lying or not. I’m inclined to believe the diagnosis. But, an autism diagnosis, in my opinion, does not excuse his vile behavior toward his wife as clearly shown during many episodes. Autism is not responsible for him calling her a terrible partner, berating her at every turn, and taking no responsibility at all for any errors he makes on the race. As others have said, many of us know people on the spectrum and none of the people I know ever speak to their partners or friends in such a manner. Two things can be true at once and not cause and effect - Jonathan has autism and Jonathan is an abusive asshole. 

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