Snazzy Daisy March 19 Share March 19 Quote The team works the case of an investment advisor found dead shortly after her release from prison. Also, Mary Jo is left reeling by an unexpected development in her personal life. Air Date: Mar 24, 2025 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/
Grizzly March 25 Share March 25 I can't decide if Randy should get out while his marriage is still good or if he's the exception that proves the rule. No one seems to get a happy ever after. My heart aches for Mary Jo. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8616302
Snazzy Daisy March 25 Author Share March 25 A Mary Jo-centric episode, finally! Mary Jo and what she does at NIS have ripple effects. She has been helping others navigating their problems as a way to avoid dealing with hers. It’s her way of coping. Quote “That’s the job you signed up for. To help make people whole, even when you’re not.” Seeing 4 names on “not to forget” wall is just heartbreaking. The grief is still there and always will be. 💔 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8616462
GHScorpiosRule March 26 Share March 26 On 3/25/2025 at 8:46 AM, Snazzy Daisy said: Seeing 4 names on “not to forget” wall is just heartbreaking. The grief is still there and always will be. 💔 That totally broke my heart. Are we to assume those are the names of all the children they lost? And I'm so glad that Marcus wasn't the asshole the lawyer he found tried to make him out to be. I really just wanted to head slap the new hire. She's told Master Sgt. is scheduled to come IN THE AFTERNOON so as not to see his swindler of a wife's victims. But she was so "overwhelmed" she forgot? Whatever. It wasn't rocket science. That all said, I find this show to be oh so dreary. And why is it so frickin' dark? Will Harmon, North, and whoever remember that Franks will quit in four years (If the show lasts that long? Maybe the finale will be him quitting over the Kobar Towers incident). Or will they just undo everything that we learned in original show's "Hiatus" that introduced Franks to us? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617161
EtheltoTillie March 26 Share March 26 Everyone on this show has a sad origin story. Wow this one was rough. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617164
Skooma March 26 Share March 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said: That totally broke my heart. Are we to assume those are the names of all the children they lost? No, that seemed simply a list of her children. No indication they died. On the contrary we see a lot of relatives in the first scene in the kitchen it looked like. Good episode but can we start a Go Fund Me page to buy production some lighting? Again, whoever is the artsy fartsy person in production that thought it was some cool "noir" look to totally prevent TV viewers from seeing half the episode should be made to go around blindfolded until they learn their lesson. It is not art. It is not creative. It is not cool. It is merely annoying and totally pretentious and driving people away from watching. Edited March 26 by Skooma 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617251
chessiegal March 26 Share March 26 42 minutes ago, Skooma said: driving people away from watching. Not me. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617269
Skooma March 26 Share March 26 33 minutes ago, chessiegal said: Not me. Me either. I'm talking in general terms as in ratings dipping. And at the rate they are going I will soon need some night vision goggles to watch this show. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617296
chessiegal March 26 Share March 26 I don't have a problem with this show being done in muted tones. I don't have any problems seeing anything. JMO. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617380
Magnumfangirl March 26 Share March 26 6 hours ago, Skooma said: Again, whoever is the artsy fartsy person in production that thought it was some cool "noir" look to totally prevent TV viewers from seeing half the episode should be made to go around blindfolded until they learn their lesson. I agree. The dark look of the show is weird. It's supposed to be in San Diego! The sun shines there pretty much every day. I don't know why they want it to look so drab. I like the show, but the darkness (both literal and figurative) is dragging it down. 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617551
chessiegal March 26 Share March 26 In my mind, the darker tone is to denote the past. We are looking at Gibbs "growing up". Memories can be fuzzy/dim. At any rate, it doesn't bother me. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617566
Raja March 26 Share March 26 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Magnumfangirl said: The dark look of the show is weird. It's supposed to be in San Diego! The sun shines there pretty much every day. I don't know why they want it to look so drab. I like the show, but the darkness (both literal and figurative) is dragging it down. On the opposite side it caught my eye that the Master Sergeant's and the other Marines BDU's (did Marines also call theirs's BDU or have their own name?) looked like they were brand new right out of the plastic and have never seen a wash and dry cycle bright colors. None of the old uniforms left over from JAG to be pulled out of storage. 27 minutes ago, chessiegal said: In my mind, the darker tone is to denote the past. We are looking at Gibbs "growing up". What I'm seeing is like the Fonz took over Happy Days from Richie and the Cunninghams while young Gibbs may have sold the show its the other characters who will determine if the show continues. Edited March 26 by Raja 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8617597
secnarf March 29 Share March 29 On 3/26/2025 at 11:26 AM, Skooma said: No, that seemed simply a list of her children. No indication they died. On the contrary we see a lot of relatives in the first scene in the kitchen it looked like. I thought it was pretty clear they were all babies that they lost. And there was no mention of children in the divorce. 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8620002
Skooma April 1 Share April 1 (edited) On 3/28/2025 at 9:22 PM, secnarf said: I thought it was pretty clear they were all babies that they lost. And there was no mention of children in the divorce. If that was the case they would have brought it up in the episode. Instead they made it pretty clear she had to raise the children on her own when he left. No comment about something tragic about the kids at all. 🤷♂️ And there would be no mention of the children in the current day divorce papers since all the children were grown adults at that point. Edited April 1 by Skooma Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8622606
secnarf April 1 Share April 1 17 hours ago, Skooma said: If that was the case they would have brought it up in the episode. Instead they made it pretty clear she had to raise the children on her own when he left. No comment about something tragic about the kids at all. 🤷♂️ And there would be no mention of the children in the current day divorce papers since all the children were grown adults at that point. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. She also kept saying that she doesn't want to forget. And looking at media about this episode, multiple miscarriages or neonatal deaths seems to be the most common understanding of the episode. Here is one example: https://tvline.com/recaps/ncis-origins-mary-jo-four-miscarriages-divorce-episode-14-1235421869/ 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152464-s01e14-to-have-and-to-hold/#findComment-8623126
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