S14.E15: No Good Deed

[DanaK]

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Danny and his nephew Joe Hill (Will Hochman) investigate the homicide of a delivery driver who may have been connected to an illegal narcotics ring in the city. Also, Eddie is determined to save the job of a probationary police officer who may be fired for responding to a crime; Frank faces a hard decision when he discovers Gormley is non-compliant with NYPD residency requirements; and Erin clashes with her boss, D.A. Crawford, when a seemingly rehabilated criminal from an old case becomes the subject of an armed robbery investigation, on BLUE BLOODS, Friday, Nov. 15 (10:00-11:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network, and streaming on Paramount+
 

 

[preeya]

And they all lived happily, ever after.

[Sarah 103]

I did not realize Joe was that ruthless. Was Danny was like that the start of the series? 

Overall, I enjoyed the episode. 

[kwnyc]

I think Danny rather likes Joe. He doesn't whine at him and call him names, like he does with other cops he doesn't play well with.

City residency has long been a bone of contention for NYPD. But rather than letting them live outside the city, which Frank correctly sees as a further wall between the officers and the people they are supposed to protect, it would be a lot easier for the city to make affordable housing available to cops and other City employees.

Eddie and Jamie are actually both on the same page a lot of the time. It's taking them years, but they are actually learning how to work as a functioning couple. 

And the DA got a chance to grab the glory for Erin's good deed, AND give her all the paperwork. Respect.

 

[Snazzy Daisy]

Hey, that is Marcus from Fellow Travellers as Jaylen, the new recruit. Poor guy, he saves a life only to lose his position in the academy.

Did Will Estes offend someone in the writers room? He becomes a supporting character now. Re the plot, Jamie shouldn’t have filed the report without talking to Eddie first.

Joe’s stubbornness still annoys the hell out of his uncles.

I miss Baez. There’s only 3 episodes left. Don’t bench her. 😣

Crawford/Erin/Del drama, MEH.  
 

[amarante]

12 hours ago, kwnyc said:

I think Danny rather likes Joe. He doesn't whine at him and call him names, like he does with other cops he doesn't play well with.

City residency has long been a bone of contention for NYPD. But rather than letting them live outside the city, which Frank correctly sees as a further wall between the officers and the people they are supposed to protect, it would be a lot easier for the city to make affordable housing available to cops and other City employees.

Eddie and Jamie are actually both on the same page a lot of the time. It's taking them years, but they are actually learning how to work as a functioning couple. 

And the DA got a chance to grab the glory for Erin's good deed, AND give her all the paperwork. Respect.

 

Tangnential but at one time the State and New York City did have excellent programs to provide housing from middle class people.  

Coop City in the Bronx - for example - were built through the Mitchell Lama Program and if your income was within certain limits you were able to purchase an apartment very inexpensively. There were some smaller projects as well like Cadman Plaza in Brooklyn.

Also the unions also financed housing for the working and middle class. My friend lived in a coop on 23rd Street.

 

[kwnyc]

Yes, though now most of these projects have turned private, and are out of the reach of middle class families.

[Sarah 103]

2 hours ago, amarante said:

Tangnential but at one time the State and New York City did have excellent programs to provide housing from middle class people.  

That was sort of what I was thinking. I thought I remembered reading/hearing about police officers being able to afford a middle class or at least lower middle class lifestyle in New York decades and decades ago. I didn't think Henry's and later Frank's house was Friends rent control. I thought it seemed within the realm of plausible.

2 hours ago, amarante said:

Coop City in the Bronx - for example - were built through the Mitchell Lama Program and if your income was within certain limits you were able to purchase an apartment very inexpensively. There were some smaller projects as well like Cadman Plaza in Brooklyn.

Also the unions also financed housing for the working and middle class. My friend lived in a coop on 23rd Street.

This next part falls into the category of slightly on topic/slightly off topic. What happened? Did the price of housing go beyond what the unions could afford to finance? Did inflation outpace the wages of a police officer? 

[EtheltoTillie]

The show was unclear. NYPD members may live in Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, Rockland, Putnam and Orange counties as well as the five boroughs of NYC. They did use the word radius. Gormley was caught in Dutchess County, a bit further north. Oddly enough, the farthest reaches of Suffolk County would be just as far from the center of the city. I also wondered why he was being dinged for residency when it seemed he was just visiting a few times a week. Also unclear. 

The other part of the question was costs. They really have gone up so as to make things unaffordable for younger officers. They talked about Frank’s huge house.  It would have been unbelievably cheap back in the day when he bought it. 

[Daff]

On 11/17/2024 at 12:55 AM, Snazzy Daisy said:

Hey, that is Marcus from Fellow Travellers as Jaylen, the new recruit. Poor guy, he saves a life only to lose his position in the academy.

Did Will Estes offend someone in the writers room? He becomes a supporting character now. Re the plot, Jamie shouldn’t have filed the report without talking to Eddie first.

Joe’s stubbornness still annoys the hell out of his uncles.

I miss Baez. There’s only 3 episodes left. Don’t bench her. 😣

Crawford/Erin/Del drama, MEH.  
 

No one really liked or even understood Jamie’s “special job”. I’m glad they dropped it. Maybe they didn’t, but they’re not wasting our time showing it on screen (which allows him freedom from a precinct post).

[EtheltoTillie]

20 hours ago, amarante said:

Tangnential but at one time the State and New York City did have excellent programs to provide housing from middle class people.  

Coop City in the Bronx - for example - were built through the Mitchell Lama Program and if your income was within certain limits you were able to purchase an apartment very inexpensively. There were some smaller projects as well like Cadman Plaza in Brooklyn.

Also the unions also financed housing for the working and middle class. My friend lived in a coop on 23rd Street.

 

These coops still exist, including the one you mention in the west 20s. But there are years-long waiting lists. You could probably still buy in to Co Op City, but it Is a poorly managed mess. The cops have always moved to Suffolk and Rockland because they want to buy houses, not live in an apartments. Now those counties are becoming too expensive 

[EtheltoTillie]

Joe is too aggressive. I’m also tired of these plots where they talk someone into being a witness and they say they’ll protect them and they end up tied up to a pole. 

Edited November 18 by EtheltoTillie

[Daff]

9 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

being dinged for residency

Yes, and if he was staying over at his mom’s, he’d be foolish to get rid of his own residence. Plot was not well thought out. Apparently they wanted to broach the subject, unwilling to think it through.

[Sarah 103]

5 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

They talked about Frank’s huge house.  It would have been unbelievably cheap back in the day when he bought it. 

And, Frank inherited the house from his father, so Henry probably bought it sometime in the 1950s or the 1960s. Also, Henry may have been able to use GI Bill benefits which were more generous at that time than they would be in later decades. 

5 hours ago, Daff said:

No one really liked or even understood Jamie’s “special job”. I’m glad they dropped it. Maybe they didn’t, but they’re not wasting our time showing it on screen (which allows him freedom from a precinct post).

My guess is that it was something that sounded cool on paper and thought had real potential, then when it came time to write it, realized it was not as great an idea as they originally thought.

I would have liked to see more of him in a leadership position at a precinct. 

[EtheltoTillie]

3 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

And, Frank inherited the house from his father, so Henry probably bought it sometime in the 1950s or the 1960s. Also, Henry may have been able to use GI Bill benefits which were more generous at that time than they would be in later decades. 

 

I did not know it used to be Henry's house.  If so, it's not an inheritance.  Henry is still alive.  I don't understand.  Maybe Frank bought it from Henry and let him have a life estate so he could live there too.

Edited November 18 by EtheltoTillie

[Sarah 103]

1 minute ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I did not know it used to be Henry's house.  If so, it's not an inheritance.  Henry is still alive.  I don't understand.  Maybe Frank bought it from Henry and let him have a life estate so he could live there too.

Sorry my legal terminology was not as precise as it should have been. What I meant, was that Henry was the one who originally bought the house, and then at some point it became Frank's where he raised his family. If we want to get into the technical legal side, Henry may have signed over the deed or added Frank and Mary to the deed.  

[EtheltoTillie]

5 minutes ago, Sarah 103 said:

Sorry my legal terminology was not as precise as it should have been. What I meant, was that Henry was the one who originally bought the house, and then at some point it became Frank's where he raised his family. If we want to get into the technical legal side, Henry may have signed over the deed or added Frank and Mary to the deed.  

Thanks for the info.  As I said, I didn't know it used to be Henry's house.  That's the main thing.  Means that the house was purchased incredibly cheaply!  Good old generational wealth. 

Edited November 18 by EtheltoTillie

[EtheltoTillie]

As for Jamie's job, it really made no sense.  It sounded like a cross between IAB and undercover detective work.  Why was it called Intelligence division?

I'm sorry to see this show go.  Only three more episodes. 

[Daff]

3 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Thanks for the info.  As I said, I didn't know it used to be Henry's house.  That's the main thing.  Means that the house was purchased incredibly cheaply!  Good old generational wealth. 

The timing fits for this: Pops, with no living spouse, worries about his progeny’s financial security. At the time, capital gains and inheritance taxes were making passing down belongings and earned savings impossible for middle class (long time farming families were losing the farms they worked for years, middle class successful couples who managed to save and invest for their children were having those fruits of their labor confiscated upon their death). Many responsible single parents paid lawyers to put their belongings/assets in a trust for their children, in the 80s and 90s because of this). No probate, capital gains paid at the time of the trust (none on the heirs until they sell-gain calculated from time of trust). When my grandmother died in the ‘70s, a widowed pensioner, my mother and her two sisters inherited nothing, even though the house they grew up in was owned outright, with no mortgage. They sold the house and proceeds from the sale were sucked up by capital gains tax.

Edited November 18 by Daff

[EtheltoTillie]

4 minutes ago, Daff said:

The timing fits for this: Pops, with no living spouse, worries about his progeny’s financial security. At the time, capital gains and inheritance taxes were making passing down belongings and earned savings impossible for middle class (long time farming families were losing the farms they worked for years, middle class successful couples who managed to save and invest for their children were having those fruits of their labor confiscated upon their death). Many responsible single parents paid lawyers to put their belongings/assets in a trust for their children. No probate, capital gains paid at the time of the trust (none on the heirs until they sell-gain calculated from time of trust). When my grandmother died in the ‘70s, a widowed pensioner, my mother and her two sisters inherited nothing, even though the house they grew up in was owned outright, with no mortgage. They sold the house and proceeds from the sale were sucked up by capital gains tax.

That's why I earlier said he must have deeded it or sold it with a life estate.  That would avoid the capital gains tax problem.  I was trying to avoid that discussion. 

Edited November 18 by EtheltoTillie

[Daff]

28 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

That's why I earlier said he must have deeded it with a life estate.  That would avoid the capital gains tax problem.  I was trying to avoid that discussion. 

Yeah, I figured. You would have to have lived through something like that to understand. Gram came here at 12 yrs old, an orphan, to live with her sister. She went to work after the 6th grade in a silver plate factory, married an industrious fellow, raised 3 girls, and lived a typical middle class life. My mom and dad married near the end of WWII, Dad trained to pilot B-17s. War ended before he got shipped to the Pacific theater. It really upset my mother to think that everything they had saved and worked for over the years would just go to the government when she died. I feel most sorry for the farm families who worked hard to feed this country, living hand to mouth because of weather, market prices, and fluctuating interest rates, then lost all of it when death occurred. All inherited “wealth” is not necessarily evil or self serving.

Edited November 18 by Daff