S01.E05: Thanksgiving

[EtheltoTillie]

This episode was much better than the first few. I hope it’s hitting its stride. 

[proserpina65]

On 11/15/2024 at 8:11 PM, nora1992 said:

And wouldn’t Missy and Sheldon get Social Security benefits for a deceased parent?

Mary would get SS benefits.  Might be some for minor children as well, not sure about that.

On 11/16/2024 at 11:22 AM, Dimity said:

Thinking about this, or overthinking! I think I've put my finger on what is bothering me about the Missy/Mary storyline.  Lorre's misogynism is showing through here.  Mary and Missy are "a mess" they can't handle things and good old Georgie has to step up and be the man of the family.  This 19 yr old has the responsibility of a wife (with thousands in credit card debt - because, hey, she's a girl, so of course she does) and a baby and at the same time now is holding things together for Mary and Missy.  Nope, not buying it. 

I don't find that the least bit unrealistic or misogynist at all.  Missy's 14, she's still a kid and expecting her to hold things together would be wrong.  We've already seen Mary retreat into herself after the church fiasco, so her doing that now isn't out of character either.  And trust me, there's nothing out of line with having an adult woman who should know better get into massive credit card debt.  (I know that from personal experience.)

[BitterApple]

I liked this episode, although I wonder if this show will be able to find it's footing without the interjection of the other YS characters. Montana's easy rapport with the old cast makes the lack of chemistry with the new cast even more obvious. 

I did think the duet with the brother and Dale was funny, and I wasn't surprised by Mary. The first holidays after a loved one dies are brutal. 

[Dimity]

On 11/18/2024 at 11:03 AM, proserpina65 said:

I don't find that the least bit unrealistic or misogynist at all.  Missy's 14, she's still a kid and expecting her to hold things together would be wrong.  We've already seen Mary retreat into herself after the church fiasco, so her doing that now isn't out of character either.  And trust me, there's nothing out of line with having an adult woman who should know better get into massive credit card debt.  (I know that from personal experience.)

It's a Lorre pattern.  We saw it in Big Bang and we saw it in Young Sheldon and now we're seeing it in this show.  Throwing a woman under the bus in order to redeem the man.  On Young Sheldon they threw out everything we had ever been told about George Sr and made Mary the bad guy - on this show they're doing something similar in order to build up Georgie.  

I'm giving it some time because I do like most of the characters and want to see what happens but if they continue in making Georgie a saint and Mary, Missy, Mandy and Audrey into "difficult" women then I admit I am checking out.

[shapeshifter]

Re Missy's tattoo: 

On 11/14/2024 at 10:11 PM, shura said:

of course the dolphin, what sunflower?

Sunflowers were a popular motif in the 90s among rural, church-going women that I knew. The dolphin would be more progressive. I glossed over the tattoo choice until it was brought up here, but it's actually on point.

[proserpina65]

5 hours ago, Dimity said:

It's a Lorre pattern.  We saw it in Big Bang and we saw it in Young Sheldon and now we're seeing it in this show.  Throwing a woman under the bus in order to redeem the man.  On Young Sheldon they threw out everything we had ever been told about George Sr and made Mary the bad guy - on this show they're doing something similar in order to build up Georgie.  

I don't give a shit.  I like how they handled Mary's character on Young Sheldon and I wouldn't have wanted to watch a show with Sheldon's flawed memories being accurate representations of his parents.  That would not have interested me in the least and is partly why I didn't start watching YS until I saw some of the second season's reruns in syndication.

I think Mary's behavior in this episode was realistic and not part of some scheme to build Georgie up at all.  Ymmv, of course.

[possibilities]

My view is that there is a pattern of making the woimen a mess and the men as either victimized by the women or heroes and saviors to the women. It's not about one character being flawed. It's about an overall gender divide between dysfunctional women and heroic or long-suffering men. This is a Lorre pattern across many shows.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by possibilities
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