S01.E09: Maiden, Mother, Crone

[Enigma X]

6 minutes ago, BaggythePanther said:

Agatha was desperate and Jen, Lilia and Alice were on the list Lilia provided. Then those three wouldn’t move forward without a green witch. So Agatha had to recruit the names on the list and grab Sharon to sell the con, even if it meant she could only drain one witch. 
 

Also, Agatha technically survived the Witch’s Road too. She didn’t die until after she got out.

Also, I do not think she told Lillia not to zap her in good faith. She was still hoping to rile her up enough for her to zap her anyway.

[Sakura12]

The others we met were the God or Goddess of Death. Rio is Death. Maybe they work for her? Because people do have different beliefs. So they get to see who they belive in. If she was the only one how would she have time for a relationship. 

In the comics Death as an entire realm and a palace. This one is wearing a crown. 

I wonder what Death thought of the snap. She didn't get any bodies, they all turned to dust than came back. She probably felt cheated. I know in the comics Thanos did it to impress her, but how would that impress her? He took away her job. 

Edited November 3 by Sakura12

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On 11/2/2024 at 5:21 PM, Sakura12 said:

I know in the comics Thanos did it to impress her, but how would that impress her? He took away her job. 

Well, in the comics

Spoiler

she wasn't impressed. Comics Thanos kinda sucks.

 

[baldryanr]

On 11/2/2024 at 8:21 PM, Sakura12 said:

I wonder what Death thought of the snap. She didn't get any bodies, they all turned to dust than came back. She probably felt cheated. I know in the comics Thanos did it to impress her, but how would that impress her? He took away her job. 

She would have been pretty busy even without the dusted.  The MCU has always shied away from the true ramifications, but there would have been a surge of deaths in the aftermath.  Aside from the immediate (half the drivers on the road turning to dust = many, many crashes involving their passengers, for example) a lot of people likely would have committed suicide after seeing their loved ones vanish with no realistic hope of returning.

[Bruinsfan]

Plus all the catastrophic effects of ecosystems suddenly dealing with half the number of animals. (Plants didn't seem to be snapped, I guess Thanos considered them "resources" rather than lives. I wonder where fungi and other life forms that didn't fit the false animal/plant dichotomy fell?)

[KeithJ]

Overall I liked the series and wouldn't mind a second season.  However, I'm still trying to figure out if I was supposed to be rooting for Agatha or not.

[ItCouldBeWorse]

On 11/1/2024 at 9:12 PM, rwlevin said:

For all we know, Rio is specific to witches. So who knows who or what Tony may have seen?

But Nicky wasn't a witch, just witch-adjacent. Unless it's different because she was really waiting for a witch's unborn child. so she stayed on the job for 6 years until completion.

On 11/1/2024 at 3:31 PM, Sakura12 said:

Do we think Rio is Nicky's other parent? In the comics Death is a shapeshafter that chooses to present as a woman but can turn into a man.  Nicky seemed to know Rio. His my mother needs me at home could've been for Rio not Agatha. 

I think Agatha would have mentioned that.  And Rio.  But, who knows? Agatha's wording ("I made you from scratch") made me think Nicky was an example of parthenogenesis ("virgin" birth), but I guess she meant that she hadn't used a spell or hex to conceive him.  As Wanda later did?

 

 

[Spartan Girl]

23 hours ago, KeithJ said:

Overall I liked the series and wouldn't mind a second season.  However, I'm still trying to figure out if I was supposed to be rooting for Agatha or not.

That’s what I kind of liked about the show. Agatha was still Agatha, and they made it clear she was always evil, mommy issues or not.

Edited November 5 by Spartan Girl

[PurpleTentacle]

On 11/2/2024 at 2:12 AM, rwlevin said:

Rio is I think the fourth variation of death we’ve seen in the MCU. We saw one version in Black Panther, one in Moon Knight and one in the last Thor movie. In Moon Knight, it was even explained how different people have different afterlives and trips to the after life. For all we know, Rio is specific to witches. So who knows who or what Tony may have seen?

We did see the egyptian god of death in moon night. I think the black panther version was more metaphorical. I don't remember any god of death in thor. Was he in the big god meeting?

Anyway, yes there are quite a few gods of death in the MCU, as most of the pantheons of old are real there, but that's also why gods are a dime a dozen in that universe. Rio is Lady Death. She is the Death. Unless they are going to completely change her status from the comics, which seems unlikely, she is unique and not like the other girls.

On 11/2/2024 at 1:57 PM, Sakura12 said:

Now Jen and Billy are the only 2 to survive the Witch's Road. 

And Agatha, technically. She survived the road. She died in Westview.

On 11/5/2024 at 1:30 AM, ItCouldBeWorse said:

Agatha's wording ("I made you from scratch") made me think Nicky was an example of parthenogenesis ("virgin" birth), but I guess she meant that she hadn't used a spell or hex to conceive him.

Yeah I think people overinterpret that line a bit. I've heard similar sentiment from mothers and especially from mothers in media before, that it's a miracle, that they made a human and all that. Why was it worded like that, a bit awkwardly? Because they had called him Nicholas Scratch before in the spirit trial and they needed to explain where he got that second name. And why did they do that? Because that's his name in the comics and they wanted to put that easter egg in for the comic readers.

On 11/5/2024 at 8:42 PM, Spartan Girl said:

That’s what I kind of liked about the show. Agatha was still Agatha, and they made it clear she was always evil, mommy issues or not.

Not sure if she was "always" evil. But certainly for a long, long time.