S02.E03: The Book of Carol: L'Invisible

[Mr. Sparkle]

Carol hunts for information; Daryl and Isabelle race to save one of their own; Pouvoir regroups.

Sunday, October 13th on AMC.

Edited October 12 by Mr. Sparkle

[Crashcourse]

Why didn't that stupid woman standing in front of the glass signal to her husband that a walker was coming up behind him, instead of just staring at her husband and watching him get eaten?  If he had known right away, he might have been able to get away.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

If he had known right away, he might have been able to get away.

Funny my thought went in the other direction...WTF you turning back to look at your wife...run dumbass!

Side note...how come they can swear on this show? I remember it being a very rare thing on TWD but they're dropping F-Bombs everywhere.

I find the whole religous aspect rather fascinating. On the one hand you have the Priest/Rebels who are willing to get the messiah bitten in the name of faith.  On the other you the athiest that's trying to create a zombie soldier. 

I'm disappointed Carol really doesn't speak French...good thing she read the script.

I was actually quite happy with that twist, when Lady Baddy tossed Carol into the Zombie group...the whole time I was like she can't be this dumb. 

Not that I believe for a minute Carol will die...she's used people to protect herself from bullets before BUT i am curious as to how she makes it out when they intend to inject them with their zombie soldier serum.

I swear i thought Isabelle was dying/seriously wounded in that conversation with Daryl...I was suprised she was on her feet when the priest came back.

I wonder if the teacher and his husband actually were set free?

Edited October 14 by Morrigan2575

[Starchild]

8 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I swear i thought Isabelle was dying/seriously wounded in that conversation with Daryl...I was suprised she was on her feet when the priest came back.

She was radiating guilt or defeatism or something that whole scene. And the fact that we didn't see what happened to her between the time she hid herself to the time she was dragged in suggested that there's something we still don't know yet. I wonder if she was bitten. Like on the cheek?

[Morrigan2575]

5 minutes ago, Starchild said:

I wonder if she was bitten. Like on the cheek?

Oh, i didnt even think of that. Yeah she could have been bitten they weren't going for head shots so at least one of the people Daryl killed could have turned.

You know it would be totally interesting if she was bitten, turns, bites Laurent and he really is immune. 

[Brown44]

Sylvie in one of the cheapest deaths in the TWD franchise 

[nodorothyparker]

It's like they took everything that made the first season feel so fresh and different and set it on fire. So pointless nihilism and cruelty it is.

Genet is making Saviors-era Negan look almost reasonable and nuanced.

Edited October 14 by nodorothyparker

[Starchild]

Ha I wouldn't go that far

[heisenberg]

"Merci pour votre contribution"...
A cliché here and there, a non sense story and no likeable characters...

  😑

[Boofish]

I was hoping the entire episode would be dedicated to how Genet went from hapless cleaning lady in a plastic civil rights wig to leader of an entire Army. A well run militia considering. La Negan sailing across the world; I'm impressed.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

While it's still better than all the recent-ish TWD shows, it's not been as good as the first season. I hope the inevitable reunion isn't a cliffhanger. 

[iMonrey]

12 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's like they took everything that made the first season feel so fresh and different and set it on fire. So pointless nihilism and cruelty it is.

Genet is making Saviors-era Negan look almost reasonable and nuanced.

It's just the same old crap. Another cabal of bad guys to fight. From the Saviors to the Commonweath to whatever community Michonne and Rick had to fight in The Ones Who Live, seen it, seen it, seen it. 

It's even worse here because the Union is a bunch of religious nutjobs that want to kill a kid and the other side kidnaps people and either enslaves them or turns them into zombies to experiment on. Who the hell are we supposed to root for here?

I guess Carol and Daryl are supposed to defeat both sides? But watching Daryl plow his way through a barrage of soldiers and off them one by one is just absurd. He must have left 20-30 corpses in his wake just to get from one wing of the castle to the next. It was like he was in a video game. Maybe that's on purpose.

1 hour ago, Boofish said:

I was hoping the entire episode would be dedicated to how Genet went from hapless cleaning lady in a plastic civil rights wig to leader of an entire Army.

 Not me. Classic villain backstory. They all start out in some lowly station in life then rise to be the post-apocalypse Hitler. Seen it, seen it, seen it.

Honestly, this franchise just has nothing new to offer anymore, and that's a shame, because there was real potential here and they just fell back into the same old tired formula. Very lazy.

[nodorothyparker]

One of the things I liked about the first season was that the Nest, Union of Hope, what have you, seemed to be exactly what they were billed as. No philosophizing cannibals, no bored murderous middle managers. No one died cheap deaths unnecessarily for shock. Just mostly everyone, save Madame Really Bad Guy's storm troopers, trying to do their best with a bit of French flair. Now we're told all of that was shit and everybody on both sides is bad to the point of World War II-style machine gunning in the woods or plotting to sacrifice children for reasons that don't even seem to add up beyond not wanting the other side to have hope/not wanting followers to lose hope. 

It sucks because this show's portrayal of the original outbreak last season was easily one of the best the franchise has ever pulled off. I was initially happy to see more of that with Genet's back story. Her comment that in the beginning they worried more about protecting the art than people interspersed with scenes of her husband being locked out of the museum to be torn apart felt like the on the nose kind of commentary this franchise loves in giving us the answer of whatever happened to the Mona Lisa. Once again, we're shown that the worst of the worst people we've met over the franchise were small time middling sorts like gym teachers, office workers, or janitors pre ZA who made the most of the collapse of the world.

I also initially thought that this was why Genet seemed so interested in Carol from the start, that as someone who had also previously been mostly invisible that like was recognizing like. Sure, they're already halfway through a six-episode season and we don't have the screentime left for the kind of indulgent character study the mother show used to wallow in every mid season or so, but there was potential there. There's also the mostly unexplored subplot of just how wrong Carol's instincts about people seem to be on this side of the Atlantic.  She's long been pretty sure of herself in her abilities to fly under the radar and do and say what needed to be done to outplay and outlast, but with the exception of Ash in the beginning, she's been pretty terrible at reading or anticipating people. But no, we immediately ramp up to 11 throwing her into what looks like another massacre that will likely require plot armor to survive.

Edited October 15 by nodorothyparker

[heisenberg]

19 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:

It's like they took everything that made the first season feel so fresh and different and set it on fire. So pointless nihilism and cruelty it is.

This.

In the first season you had Daryl learning to deal with people in a different country and culture.  It was well balanced and very interesting.
This season he is splaining (Also Carol) all over the place.  That's awkward. 

[Boofish]

And to me Carol told the truth because she herself knew how ridiculous it sounded and no one would believe her.  Not sure why she thought Genet would just Uber her to Castle Greyskull and ask for a 5 star rating. 

Like all things Walking Dead - I am their bitch and I will watch until they just stop making the show. I would watch a show with random Hilltop Survivors bald head black guy and Birdie going out to look for Heath. That's how deep I'm into this franchise. But I swear on every shoe I own if it ends with Ted and Robin being a couple the riot starts at dawn (IYKYK.)