S01.E06: First Severing

[Cranberry]

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Efforts to keep Juliette and Cal apart escalate as their wary families reach a mutual understanding during a murder investigation.

 

[Sakura12]

The big deal being made out about Juliette's first kill doesn't seem to matter after she had her actual first kill. When did she tell anyone she killed the creepy guild guy? Elinor somehow knew about and took her out to kill another. 

While I like Juliette and Cal together I'm not really feeling their chemistry between the actors. 

I'm going to need some more world building. How does Juliette not know about others monsters? I know the legacy vampires are the top of the food chain since they are hard to kill, but you'd think they'd tell their kids about the other things that go bumb in the night. Also if they hard to kill how can they be rare? It would make more sense that the hunters only think they are rare because they are good at blending in. And that there are other people in the town that are also legacy vampires. 

[Cranberry]

I can see the sexual chemistry but I'm still not sold on the idea of this big romantic connection. This stuff with the severing also muddies things. If the severing actually worked and Calliope is still into Juliette, cool, then it's all of her own free will. But Theo's dreams seem to suggest the severing doesn't actually work... so are we supposed to wonder if Cal is only into Juliette because of her "venom"?

So Legacy vampires still have to be invited in, which is interesting! None of the other rules seem to apply to them. Did none of the other protections on the Burns house prevent Juliette from being there, or were all those destroyed when Apollo first brought the summoner in?

Elinor had the right idea with getting Juliette drunk and easing her into feeding on people by mind-wiping the guy afterward, but she (of course) took it too far. You can't just throw a kid who won't even hurt a bee into an unnecessary murder!

Speaking of Elinor... could she not just use her mind-control powers on Apollo? Her "suggestions" don't seem to be temporary; the people she feeds on (and lets live) don't remember that, and she covered up the first kill by making the guy forget his entire autopsy. That's always the problem when a character has an amazing power like that... she could probably end the whole plot by convincing every hunter that her family is normal and benign.

[Chicago Redshirt]

On 6/11/2022 at 12:19 PM, Sakura12 said:

I'm going to need some more world building. How does Juliette not know about others monsters? I know the legacy vampires are the top of the food chain since they are hard to kill, but you'd think they'd tell their kids about the other things that go bumb in the night. Also if they hard to kill how can they be rare? It would make more sense that the hunters only think they are rare because they are good at blending in. And that there are other people in the town that are also legacy vampires. 

It's unclear to me if Juliette is indeed 16 years old or if she's already an immortal who is posing as 16. But if, as I suspect, it's the latter, then it seems like she has lived in a monster-free Savannah her entire life. And it also seems like her soft-until-recently father barely taught her the vampire birds-and-the-bees, so it wouldn't be surprising that they didn't bother to teach her about other monsters. 

It makes sense that there are relatively few pureblood Legacy families left. The Legacies know how to kill each other, and so there's probably quite a bit of inter-family warfare. And given the religious significance of the snake, they probably aren't letting too many new Lagacies be created.

On 6/11/2022 at 2:17 PM, Cranberry said:

So Legacy vampires still have to be invited in, which is interesting! None of the other rules seem to apply to them. Did none of the other protections on the Burns house prevent Juliette from being there, or were all those destroyed when Apollo first brought the summoner in?

Elinor had the right idea with getting Juliette drunk and easing her into feeding on people by mind-wiping the guy afterward, but she (of course) took it too far. You can't just throw a kid who won't even hurt a bee into an unnecessary murder!

Speaking of Elinor... could she not just use her mind-control powers on Apollo? Her "suggestions" don't seem to be temporary; the people she feeds on (and lets live) don't remember that, and she covered up the first kill by making the guy forget his entire autopsy. That's always the problem when a character has an amazing power like that... she could probably end the whole plot by convincing every hunter that her family is normal and benign.

We were told the first thing was able to teleport past the protections thanks to the summoner. So I imagine that the protections are still there. They probably did not bother to do one for vampires because the invitation rule should have been enough. I wish there was at least a moment's hesitation for Calliope to allow Juliette in. I mean, even assuming that Juliette can keep her bloodlust in check towards Calliope, who knows if she can towards the rest of the Burns family?

It's possible that there will be a plot arc where Juliette saves one or more members of the Burns family thanks to getting an all-access pass, and that lowers the disdain the Burns parents have fer her..

[paulvdb]

1 hour ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It's unclear to me if Juliette is indeed 16 years old or if she's already an immortal who is posing as 16. But if, as I suspect, it's the latter, then it seems like she has lived in a monster-free Savannah her entire life. And it also seems like her soft-until-recently father barely taught her the vampire birds-and-the-bees, so it wouldn't be surprising that they didn't bother to teach her about other monsters. 

They haven't really explained much about the Legacies. But the whole "first kill" plot in the beginning made me think that she is really 16 years old and not decades or centuries old like most of the "teen" vampires in Twilight or The Vampire Diaries. And I guess Legacies age like regular humans based on the age difference between the parents and kids. Not sure if they are actually immortal or will die of old age at some point. Although I would expect that there would be older generations than Juliette's grandmother if Legacies were truly immortal.

[Sakura12]

4 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It makes sense that there are relatively few pureblood Legacy families left. The Legacies know how to kill each other, and so there's probably quite a bit of inter-family warfare. And given the religious significance of the snake, they probably aren't letting too many new Lagacies be created.

When did we learn the Legacys can kill each other? Since they can procreate the natural way and turn humans there should be lots of them. Margot said she has 2 sisters and they have kids, her ex has 2 sons, she has 3 kids and they wanted Ellinor to have 10 kids. That doesn't seem to point to they care about population control. 

To me it seems they are rare to find because they can blend in and appear human.

[Paloma]

5 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It's unclear to me if Juliette is indeed 16 years old or if she's already an immortal who is posing as 16.

I think she must be 16 because she and Ben have been friends since childhood, and there were some flashbacks to them as children and as younger teens. My theory is that Legacies go through normal "human" development from infancy to adulthood but at some point stop aging (not sure if they can choose the point where they stop aging). They may also age more slowly than humans once they are adults, but it can't be too much more slowly than humans or it would raise suspicion when they live in the same community for a long time.

[Chicago Redshirt]

1 hour ago, Sakura12 said:

When did we learn the Legacys can kill each other? Since they can procreate the natural way and turn humans there should be lots of them. Margot said she has 2 sisters and they have kids, her ex has 2 sons, she has 3 kids and they wanted Ellinor to have 10 kids. That doesn't seem to point to they care about population control. 

To me it seems they are rare to find because they can blend in and appear human.

It has been said at least a couple times that Legacies have a weakness that is known to them. I apologize because I binged the series so I don't know in particular what episode(s) that these statement(s) were made in. But I believe that the parents were talking about how even Oliver would not rat out the weakness. It follows that at least some Legacies know their own weakness and can exploit it.

We don't know if Legacies are fertile for eternity, but it seems to me that Margot only having two sisters strikes me as evidence that they are pretty sparing of having biological children. We don't know exactly how old Margot is but three kids over a human lifetime is just above average by today's standards for an American couple. Three kids over, say, the thousand years that Margot promised Sebastian is less than nothing.

The gathering for Juliette's first kill celebration presumably had the bulk of all the who's who among Legacies, if not all the Legacies. So that also strongly suggests how rare they are. Even assuming the attendance is the literal 1 percent of Legacies. we are talking about less than 1,000 worldwide.

[AnimeMania]

Does the bar even card their patrons, Juliette looks 12 years old. Many people seem to recognize that the two girls are children of the DA, why risk the underage drinking and picking up strangers in bars, especially going to the same bar over and over. 

It seems like the Legacy Vampires only want to reproduce to get more female children, once they get the desired number of girls, they lose their interest in breeding.